Oliver Stone’s film on Ukraine’s Maidan coup to be aired in Russia

Ukrainians can speak it's just a matter of lending an ear on those pleas that they have.
but what about Putin's stand?
is it different from yours, so sorry to ask.

 

Had you watched the balanced commentary by Ray McGovern, in this very thread, i think you would not make those claims.

At least about Crimea.

We in the US with our eyes shut, watched an illegal coup in Ukraine and actually blessed it. We to this day defend the coup.

We pretend Putin has no country to protect nor people to serve. We pretend that when the phony prime minister of Ukraine denounced Russian as their language, nobody noticed. Well, our media noticed and fooled Americans.

 

We did more than watch the coup. As in Iran and so many other countries around the world, we sponsored the coup. Nuland & Co supervised the coup, black funds in US dollars made it happen.

 

The commentaries are quite different inside Ukraine,
he Ray can make commentaries, US perhaps tolerated it as per propaganda or whatever, but one things for sure it's not good to undermine a sovereign country making it as a shield of your own, and the fact is threats were not even present.

US eyes shut and blessed that illegal coup is somehow situated in the confines of fabrication.

 

You made a mistake but it is all my fault.

I did say US eyes shut. But I did not mean our govrnment had eyes shut. It told us lies. It blessed the overthrow of the lawful Ukraine Government.

Crimea was a major all year navy base of Russia and they had a soverign interest. The people of Crimea were voting to leave or stay with Ukraine. Had they also voted out the then prime minister of Ukraine, then their verdict was good. But the man fled to Russia fearing violence.

Ukraine has no statements that if you toss firebombs at the cops, you have removed the prime minister.

 

Europe is quite peaceful why go to Russia instead? Europe even accepting a lot of refugees nowadays!
quite mind boggling.
Yeah like In Tartus, Syria the situation is quite similar compared with Crimea, Russia did have a naval base,
look at Syria now....... it's in ruins. Protecting military presence at all cost even sacrificing foreign innocent lives,
well, that's a blatant criminal offence against an inferior sovereign country.

 

Are you against the people of Crimea? They voted to become Russia.

Syria has never done that.

 

I never said that, BUT Crimea is legally a Ukraine soil and with that regard they should give allegiance to Ukraine as per territorial rights. I don't know why the rebellion of Syria reach this abhorring episodes when Russia instead of mediating to pacify the civil war became bias and sided with one of the opposing parties, why is it that Russia could not stay on that neutral position?

 

I am thinking still of Kosovo that in my news, and according to this government, stated they voted to leave Serbia. If that was legal, why not let Crimea vote. They were Russians and only became Ukraine due to what Khrushchev had done.

Ukraine made the problem by having Crimea as a major navy base of Russia.

 

Kosovo was a different story, I don't know the outcome if the negotiation will be limited only with the Kosovars and Milosevic, would they reach a conclusion, mostly when Milosevic is resorting towards genocide? That was made possible because of the international arbitration making everything legal, fair for both parties and therefore conclusive.
Will a country can just own a patch of land of another country just because the majority that lives there belong to their race? I beg to disagree. The jurisdiction was already handed over by Khrushchev before and is agreed internationally, granting legally that Crimea is a part of Ukraine. If they want autonomy or something then they should be agreed internationally as well otherwise this will cause of precedence of other powerful states to annex parts of other sovereign countries as they consider profitable and beneficial for them. We have to abide with international regulations to prevent wars as per it's mandate then why Russia could not respect that?.
Yes I agree, that Ukraine trusted Russia so much allowing them to keep that naval base not knowing that they will annex it later.

 

Milosevic is dead. Kosovo became Kosova or as you said, Kosovar. Not sure what they really are.

This puzzles me a lot about Crimea.

First if you have the people that run Ukraine doing well, then people use fire bombs and the prime minister runs away to Russia, how can the replacement man be legal? Then this man leaves and now they have a new person.

Does that sound like your kind of government?

Then in Crimea you have part of a country that is almost all Russians. They may support the navy base in ways.

So, they get scared about the things going wrong in Ukraine. So to have peace, they want to return to Russia and Russia says it is a good thing and agrees.

What is wrong if it is what the people actually want?

There is much I do not know. I am trying to find out. Some people in that area like what Russia did. Some do not.

 

Okay to summarize that,
Ukrainians the real ones wanted to join the EU,
Russia objects and also the Russian in Crimea.
BUT Crimea is a part of Ukraine? So what is the position of the Russians now?

 

If you were a Russian in Crimea, would you want to be part of Ukraine?

 

Of course not,
But I'm a Russian so I belong to Russia not with Ukraine and Crimea.
end of story.

 

Because Russia and Syria are allies. They have a mutually beneficial relationship.

 

Thats not how democracy works. In the end its the people who live there that make these choices

 

Words of ignorance. You mistaken an ethnic Russian with a Russian citizen. After collapse of the soviet union, millions of ethnic Russians found themselves out side of Russian borders. For example, an ethnic Russian in Ukraine suddenly found themselves to be a citizen of Ukraine.

 

That would clearly explains everything,
BUT it should be Assad and Russia/Putin, I don't think that the Syrian people is now unified to give substance with the alliance.

 

In democracy the majority rules,
then where is your ethnic Russians situated now?

 

A citizen of Ukraine? that's quite laughable when they are aspiring to become part of Russia,
are you kidding me?,
A citizen should even protect the country he belongs to not setting it aside.
Then what contributions did they make to make Ukraine their country when as you've said they are citizens?

 

Crimeans never meant to became Ukrainean citizens, but still they woke up one day and found themselves an Ukraineans.
Luckly enough this ridiculous mistake was fixed. Thanks to Putin. Everybody in Crimea is happy. What else?

 

Ukrainians could still call them as illegal aliens.

 

Do Crimeans care how Ukraineans call them now ? I dont think so.

 

HAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA say that to your foreign policy in the Balkans.

Love the cheesy american nice words on democracy.

 

Your reading comprehension is terrible. I was saying that the people of Crimea had a democratic vote. That vote should be respected. Certainty more that a bloody military coup.