One in five Covid-19 cases in US now from Florida: ‘This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated’

And BTW, I think MRNA treatments will be revolutionary in the near future and will change all that from birth defects all the way to the cure to cancer. The science is good science and not dispelling the work behind the effort. I do want people to know the real facts and this treatment is 100% experimental and everyone is part of massive clinical trial.

 

The question is if they were approved. So what if it's an emergency approval?

Looks like you are in the Tucker Carlson school of confusion. The difference is basically the paperwork and the time needed to complete that paperwork. The SAME tests are performed in both, the same safety standards, the same efficacy standards....

Every answer I gave is absolutely accurate. Read my sig!

 

It's not emergency approval.

It's Emergency Use Authorization. FDA Approval is a whole other ball of wax.

 

For someone who stated all these things in this thread as facts you may want to do what you claim others need to do, LEARN THE FACTS. Don't spread misinformation.

 

More contageous as is the normal progress of virus yes - not more lethal - and masks - least not the ones 99% of the people are wearing - doesn't protect you.

It is no longer a "Pandemic" in the US - your claim that it is more or equally lethal is false.

 

Just because you have no clue what you are talking about --- is no reason to cry "nonsense" and this is not about me personally - and so as usual you have nothing but ad hom and name calling.

The normal flue is not classed as "A Pandemic" - because it does not kill a significantly greater than average number of people.

 

It was approved! The difference between what is called "fully approved" are purely bureaucratic procedures. Such as the FDA determining that there is not a better or less expensive alternative. The FDA has to figure out if the China vaccine is less expensive, or if the Sputnik vaccine protects longer.

That's it!!! It has absolutely no relevance whatsoever in any decision of whether to take the shot or not.

Wrong!!! There is a lot of long term data. Years old data. Yes, that's right! I did say years! History goes back to at least the 60s. Stop spewing nonsense you hear on wingnut radio!

Look.... these are just idiotic excuses. Fact is that anti-vaxers just don't want to take the vaccines. Well OK... Not much we can do about that. Except to ask them to stop spewing pseudoscience all over the place.

 

Your projection is childish and lame. YOU are the one claiming that things must be black or white. They're not!

Yes, some vaccinated people CAN (gray) get infected. And yes, vaccines ARE vital in preventing the spread (gray).

These two statements are not black vs white. Both statement are true. At the same time!

But these are matters that are obviously way too elevated for you. All you are asked to do is stop spreading nonsense about something that you know nothing about and CAN kill people. If you don't want to get the vaccine, don't get it... not much we can do about that. But just let the adults inform the people with science, instead of the political nonsense you are spewing.

 

Then post this data on MRNA vaccine long term effects. Quit just saying it exist, produce!

And Ivermectin is SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper and has shown results that if used widely, could end COVID and all variations. Quit spewing pseudoscience and talking points and show us..

 

Oh Dear God! What nonsense! And all you had to do was look up the word "pandemic".

 

https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine

You asked for the data, I gave you the link. Now it's your turn. ADMIT that there is data about the long term effects of the Covid vaccines.

What the hell? I have said NOTHING about Ivermectin. You're the one who brought it up. And what the hell does that have to do with Desantis obvious mishandling of the pandemic in Florida? Man! You're clearly desperate to find some way to either change the subject, or project your obvious ignorance about the topic, aren't you?

 

Golem forgets what he says.
Getting the vaccine protects others. NOT TRUE
The Vaccine is FDA approved. NOT TRUE
The vaccine is proven to have no long term concerns. NOT TRUE

It's that damn simple no matter how you try to spin. Now your silly attacks make you look dumb, number one I am the one telling you and others that vaccinated people can catch it and spread which can lead to death. That's the science that refutes the things you said above. YOU believe something that is NOT TRUE and are spreading misinformation. Now go on telling me and others how they're not smart or up to date on science ole scientific edumicated rocket lol.

 

50 self-centered virtue signal from the self-centered so-called social justice warriors.

You're not doing it for social justice you're doing it to appear woke.

 

From your own source: Even though these products have not been licensed for use in people, these efforts provided important information about mRNA technology and its safety.

Also note that MRNA has been used for HIV patients, yet has NEVER been approved for therapeutic treatment.

mRNA-1273 FDA Approval Status

• The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the emergency use of mRNA-1273 to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older on December 18, 2020.
• mRNA-1273 is an mRNA vaccine that works by using snippets of a virus’s genetic material (rather than an inactivated or weakened form of the virus itself) to build the proteins that trigger the body’s protective immune response.
• To date there have been no mRNA vaccines licensed for use in humans.
• The first patient in a Phase 1 study was dosed on March 16, 2020, with positive interim Phase 1 data reported by Moderna, Inc. on May 18, 2020.

And you also have NOT shown long term data for MRNA Covid 19. You posted an article about prior research and I KNOW that MRNA has been out for about 25+ years. It's in my field and as I stated, it's extremely promising and when it comes to cancer treatment, can be extremely dangerous but has shown that if done correctly can also be life altering..

In essence, you can't truly provide data on MRNA SARS-COV2 effectiveness long term, because there is very little data. Comparing MRNA data from HIV trials can give you a perspective, but it's pointless as HIV patients have their own comorbities.

Your chewing the narrative again. I bring up ivermectin because there are people worried about taking an experimental treatment for something that has a 99% survivor rate. Studies have shown that Ivermectin would literally end the virus in it's tracks and has been proven for DECADES to be safe and extremely cheap. You're letting the talking points drive your passion versus looking at a real cure that would help everyone!

Latest peer-reviewed research: Immediate global ivermectin use will end COVID-19 pandemic

 

Even if I forget what I say, one of the benefits of doing research before posting is that I can go back to my research to "remind" myself. And, at the same time, I see if the data has changed. As far as everything in this thread, it hasn't. Everything I say is still accurate to this day.

And if you want to comment on something I said, QUOTE it!

But the only thing we need to know is that vaccines SAVE lives. So people should get their shot. Anything else, we can comment AFTER this is over so the misinformation that the right is spreading will not be contributing to the increase in the number of people who die.

 

I did and don't worry everyone reading this thread sees it, not wasting anymore time with your spin. Next time before you question others intelligence you may want to double check your information. Have a good day Golem, I hope it all goes your way, seriously.

 

Quit talking gibberish - it is you that has no clue what a "pandemic" is - having no clue that the number of deaths is a relevant and parameter.

Running around crying "Pandemic" "Pandemic" -and various other fallacious nonsense - is not substantiation for claim.

 

A vaccine is not a therapeutic treatment.

Exactly. But we don't need long term effectiveness right now. We need short term effectiveness so we can save lives and hopefully achieve herd immunity in the short to midterm. An effort that is being undermined by anti-vaxer propaganda like the one you are helping to disseminate.

Then open a thread. Don't derail mine. This one is about vaccines. Specifically how anti-vaxers, anti-maskers... and our Trumpist Florida administration have got us into the worst situation in the country. Which would hopefully get others in other states to avoid this anti-vaxer propaganda.

Now... you claimed there was no long term data. I supplied it. Please correct your statement.

 

We now have a bigger challenge on our hands. After encouraging people to get vaccinated, yesterday Trump put out this statement:

"Joe Biden kept talking about how good of a job he's doing on the distribution of the Vaccine that was developed by Operation Warp Speed or, quite simply, the Trump Administration. He's not doing well at all. He's way behind schedule, and people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth."

He is creating confusion between the vaccination and the roll out. And he's throwing in election results and fake news just to keep on brand.

 

Seriously... you should really stay in your own lane.

HIV mRNA Vaccines-Progress and Future Paths

Abstract

The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic introduced the world to a new type of vaccine based on mRNA encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles (LNPs). Instead of delivering antigenic proteins directly, an mRNA-based vaccine relies on the host's cells to manufacture protein immunogens which, in turn, are targets for antibody and cytotoxic T cell responses. mRNA-based vaccines have been the subject of research for over three decades as a platform to protect against or treat a variety of cancers, amyloidosis and infectious diseases. In this review, we discuss mRNA-based approaches for the generation of prophylactic and therapeutic vaccines to HIV. We examine the special immunological hurdles for a vaccine to elicit broadly neutralizing antibodies and effective T cell responses to HIV. Lastly, we outline an mRNA-based HIV vaccination strategy based on the immunobiology of broadly neutralizing antibody development.

And the reason we do such long and extensive investigations into drugs and treatments is that there can be long lasting effects. And you keep claiming me to be an anti-vaxer. I'm 100% for vaccines and have ritually advocated for them. These vaccines, however, are still in the investigational stage and we have an actual extremely effective treatment RIGHT now that is safe and FDA approved and everyone would take it, yet you ignore the science. Why is that Golem?

Why when I need to address your inaccurate claims which you have a bounty of. You've literally been called out for dam near all your inaccuracies, yet, you keep plugging away like a good Democrat with limited information.

 

He's creating a confusion between reality and Trump-cult-land.

The quote would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that so many people who will die of Covid actually believe there is a reason which is "blessed by Trump" to not get the shot. Even though they probably don't quite understand what the reason is.

 

HIV? What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Covid. And I'm talking about the CURRENT vaccines. They are not nor are they intended to be therapeutic.

"Investigational stage"? Trying to choose the wording carefully to promote a false narrative is a typical sign of pseudoscience. Who cares if they are in "investigational stage"? What does that even mean? Obviously investigation about the vaccine continues. To figure out, for example, if they can be administered to children under 12, or to babies.... I'm sure there are people researching how to make even the chickenpox vaccine or the polio vaccine better... or their side effects or... something of the sort. So what? The point is that they are not experimental, like the anti-vaxer propaganda that you are promoting claims.

I am still waiting for you to correct your claim

 

It means mass vaccination has taken place of phase 3 of human clinical trials and you are the test subject.

Pharma says they can be administered to children under 12 yet the CDC posted information that shows the Pfizer vaccine kills more kids between the ages of 12-17 than die of Covid.

 

What @Golem does not understand is that normal protocol designed to protect citizens has been dumped. No one can say what the long term affects of these experimental treatments will be because no long term experiments have taken place, in fact, all protocol for phase 3 of human clinical trails has been abandoned. That is why we now have over 11,000 dead from vaccines.

 

You commented on my response to MRNA HIV therapy. But to make you feel better, for your viewing pleasure. This is from Moderna regarding THEIR MRNA vaccination. Again, you should really stay in your own lane here. It's getting embarrassing.

mRNA Therapeutic Areas in Infectious Diseases

The Advantages of mRNA Vaccines

At Moderna, we believe the world needs novel, innovative approaches to address both known and future infectious disease threats. To that end, we are committed to advancing mRNA-based vaccines and therapies for the prevention and treatment of infectious diseases.


Moderna’s mRNA vaccine technology offers potential advantages in efficacy, speed of development, and production scalability and reliability, which may position our company as a leader in preparing for and responding to infectious disease threats that place millions of people at risk around the world.


There are currently nine prophylactic mRNA vaccines in our development pipeline, with seven Phase 1 studies currently underway.

Who cares?! God, I'd hope everyone would care!

You are right that Polio or the Chicken Pox vaccines are NOT experimental anymore. The Varicella vaccine (Chickenpox) was FDA approved in 1995 and wasn't vastly distributed until early 2000's.

And regarding Polio.... Apparently you've never learned of the Cutter Incident? That's what happen when you rush a vaccination! History is also a good thing for you to review up on.