ONE MILLION electric cars

Obama set a goal of one million electric cars on the road by 2014 - will it happen?
http://generation-add.blogspot.com/2011/12/bottled-lightning-superbatteries_06.html


The Green Energy Grid that Obama has proposed in his Infrastructure Bill, the bill that would create millions of jobs but that the Party of No obstructed...ehen re-elected Obama will have the political capital to push this through...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ajM_story.html

http://grist.org/politics/obamas-sti...hael-grunwald/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156367.html

 

The democrats were the party of no when Bush was in office.

Here's just a small list of items the democrats purposely tried to block.

The Patriot Bill, Bush’s energy bill, The border security bill, Parental notification bill, Class-action lawsuit reform.

 

So . . . are we supposed to use windmills and solar panels to charge the batteries in all of those electric cars?

And what do we do with all of those batteries 10 years down the road when they will no longer take a charge? In California you can't even throw a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Duracell in the trash.

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/uti...al_battery_and_fluorescent_lamp_recycling.cfm

What am I missing here?

 

So you invest $40K+ in an ALL electric car now, told that the batteries will last UP TO 4 years...


What they don't tell you, is that if you deeply discharge them (80%+) 5 days a week driving to and from work, they are EXPECTED to last 9 months, 12 months on the outside.


The replacement batteries cost upwards of $12k, and you will have to pay the EPA an unannouced "FEE" to dispose of the old Batteries. (Estimates are $0.5 to $2 per pound, the battery pack usually weighs in at 1200-2100 lbs.)


The Lithium Ion Battery Waste is extremely toxic, the primary element is the same compound used by the CIA in Veitnam as "Truth Juice".


It fries the brain in the process of creating a euphoric state which also disorients and lowers inhibitions.


It would not take many of these batteries being dumped in a lake or landfill, to avoid $thousands to create seepage into municiple water supplies which would cause psyco-active effects, particularly in developing children of anyone drinking the tainted water.


Any PRAGMATIC and HONEST Engineer will tell you, All-Electric Cars are the biggest enviromental disaster waiting to happen this country has ever even considered toying with...


The energy required to reprocess the battery waste into new batteries is roughly twice the energy saved by using the electric car instead of a gasoline car.

 

not like republicans, republicans from the very beginning announced their plan to obstruct Obama and make it as hard as they could for him to clean up their mess, I am amazed Obama was able to get done all he has, he has done well

 

Are you gonna get you a huntin license too?

 

Ok, normally, I am fairly astute and aware, but this comment makes absolutely no sense to me?


What does Hunting have to do with electric cars? You've completely lost me?

 

Every Congress opposition party plans on derailing the other side. Its been this way since Hamilton and Jefferson were going at it.

The republicans at least admit it openly.

Read some history about past administrations and opposition in Congress and you'll probably laugh at how bad its gotten at times. Especially focus on some of the tactics used against republicans to try and halt progress on Civil Rights legislation. The job of a President, and the measure of how effective he is, is to work through this partisanship and reach a consensus. Its obvious that Obama does not have the skills required to do this.

 

In a year and a half of selling them, Government Motors and Nissan have sold 21,000 battery electrics or series hybrids.

Long way to a million - about fifty years at this rate.



Has anybody asked the consumers what THEY want?

 

So it sounds like electric cars are an even worse idea than I expected.

 

All-Electric and Hybrids are VERY different beasts.


The majority of the problems, both Fiscal, Engineering, Safety, and Enviromental, encountered by the All-Electric, are not found, or are significantly attenuated in the Hybrids.

In a Hybrid, you achieve Engineering Engery savings in two ways, braking energy recovery, and operating the fuel driven power plant at its optimum output rate most of the time.

The batteries are used for surge purposes, but not the total volume of required energy, making them shallow charge and discharge cycles. If the battery is specifically designed for this purpose, a special type called a Porus, thin film, ceramic plate, gel electrolyte, CAPATERY, the free ions at the surface interface to the eletrolyte provides most of the energy storage, and a portion of the storage actually comes from charged capacitance, rather than chemical ionic bonds.

The end result is a battery for surge purposes which has a much longer battery life, is much less energy entensive to recycle, and is about 8% of the total mass of the All-Electric battery.

Additionally, the chemicals produces as the battery ages and breaks down are of a nature that have a stable, low bio-uptake, low bio-interation nature, making the waste far less dangerous.

Also, the total stored energy in the electrical system is lower, reducing the safety concerns of electrical fires in an accident. The All-Electric Cars are a Fireman's / Paramedics nightmare.

 

Yeah, electric cars also cause AIDS and cancer and global warming and terrorism.

 

Do you have anything of substance to say in regards to his post?

 

Since you believe it is so safe, cheap and wonderful, we are building the Battery Recycling plant just outside your backyard and sending you the bill....


Oh, and you're Electric Fire Fighting Toxic Gas Equipment is on order.

 

This is what happens when we start using POLITICS to make what should be Engineering, Technology and Science Decisions.


The Politicization of Modern Science began with the agendized spin on Global Climate studies and it has only gotten worse from there.


I don't have to defend my statements about the technology, the hazzards and the costs, they will, in time, and at painful costs, defend themselves.


That is because my statements are based on the immutable science behind the technologies, not on political spin.


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Your inability to entertain satire doesn't diminish the substance of my post.

 

I didn't contend that anything was safe. Define "we" and no, I don't go for allowing private industry to externalize costs on taxpayers. That bill will be returned to sender. We'll take the local jobs though.

The caps are a nice touch for dramatic effect.

 

The flaw in your position here, is that I don't support Obama nor either party. There was nothing political about my post. The presentation of supposed scientifically supported ideas as fact without regard for future advancement in technological application does, however imply a political bent to your assertions.

 

I thought electric cars actually result in more carbon dioxide emissions, because all that electricity comes from somewhere.
And even if we do build additional "renewable energy" power plants to power these cars, it would still make more sense just use regular fuel-burning cars, and just let the renewable power plants replace the electricity of the old power plants.

All these electric cars are just complete insanity, proving once again that the government has no idea what it is actually doing, and is just making the CO2 problems worse.

The one place where electric cars may be good is in overcrowded cities with too much smog, like Los Angeles or Mexico City, in which case local regions should be free to pass their own incentives.

 

I agree with you. I was questioning homerjay when asking about adding something of substance.

Your post contained no substance. There was nothing to dispute the content of the post you replied to, just meaningless drivel.

 

The oil cartels will fight it like they fought the electric car mandate in California.

They can't stand the competition.

Healthy competition will drive the gas prices down. And the CEOs must have that profit.

And since Obama is pretty much their puppet and poppet, he will bow down to them and not let it come to pass.

Personally, i'd love there to be far more electric cars on the horizon.

 

What are you going to do with the 2000lbs + per year of Battery Waste. Never mind the fact that there is no existing plant to recycle the waste, where are you going to safely STORE it?


Where is the energy going to come from to recycle the battery waste once you build a plant to process it?


Where is the money going to come from to clean up the toxic waste that will form around and under the storage site?


Where is the money going to come from to heal the people injured from the waste?


Why are you moving toward All-Electric Battery based cars BEFORE the battery waste recycling system has been designed, built and tested?



Didn't we LEARN anything from the Nuclear Power Industry?

 

That's the trouble . . . electrics cars AREN'T competitive. They're too expensive.

I'd be curious to know the expected monthly cost to keep them charged. I haven't been able to find any info on that yet.

Edit: Found something here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/b...-pay-off-owners-must-wait.html?pagewanted=all

Gas would have to approach $8 a gallon before many of the cars could be expected to pay off in the six years an average person owns a car.