One way religions can improve their standing

Yes, people are recruited. I had an 11-year-old client who was obsessed with anal sex, and I'm pretty sure it was because a man molested him. He will probably grow up with homosexual tendencies.

 

Now I am curious. If you do not mind, what sort of client can an 11 years old be?

 

I don't think my Church, that allows for the blessing of homosexual couples, would approve of your post, nor would these guys do:

http://www.lgcm.org.uk/
http://www.gaychurch.org/
http://www.gaychristian.net/
http://www.euroforumlgbtchristians.eu/

 

Termination of parental rights.

 

Don't forget about the school system. If it were not for the clients (students), schools would go out of business in a heartbeat. In that particular part of the 'Corporation', the clients can (depending on State) range from 4 years on through 18 years. Then of course there is that other INDUSTRY, called the Medical industry, who handle clients from the age of Pre-Natal through 18 years of age. Children are really quite a lucrative business for the State and all of its associated CORPORATE children (agencies).

 

FreedomSeeker: You didn't really answer my question. You just gave me some half ass answer that didn't really define why you put "great" before those people's name.

I don't find Elen funny and I only like a few Elton John songs. The other two I had to Google to even know who they were. I don't really like them nor do I hate them, nor would I put them to the sword. I tolerate homosexuality, but I don't need to accept it. I have some friends and relatives who are gay, but I don't give them anything more than they deserve.

If you think Jesus would have supported the Nazis you know nothing of his teachings and are blind to your humanist propaganda.

 

You secular humanists are an ignorant lot if you are to be the example of them.

For some it will be at our destruction.

 

Christianity does not say to kill any sinners. In fact, IMHO, Christ abolished the death penalty.

 

Hitler wanted to see the Jews suffer horrifically (if they wouldn't follow his ideology), and Jesus of course also wanted Jews to suffer horrifically - actually worse, as eternal torture is worse than (only) being killed in Hitler's gas chamber (if they used science, reason, and critical thinking...ie wouldn't idolize Jesus.) Please tell us which is worse.

The Bible says you can avoid Jesus' horrific torture chamber only if you (obviously give up science, reason, and critical thinking and) give blind obedience to one magician. Incredibly, being a moral person isn't as important to Jesus as the blind loyalty to him personally.

A truly reformed former child-rapist, who repents and finds Jesus and gives blind allegiance to him (ie is born again), will avoid the eternal torture that Jesus loves to dish out, but Mother Teresa, if she dared to think for herself and become say a Muslim one month before her death, would not. That's unfair. Jesus is the most unfair person in world history (next to the god of the Bible who kills innocent babies in many many chapters.) Religions are unfair, period.

Which loyalty-craving mad man effectively said the following, was it Hitler, Saddam, Jesus, or Gaddafi?:
"I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life [me, me, me, it's all about me!]. No one can avoid my horrific torture chamber except by bowing down to me, me, me!"
For the answer see: http://bible.cc/john/14-6.htm
Note that being a moral person was not the main criteria he mentioned….instead, blind loyalty was. Just like the mafia.

 

Ok, let's test your theory: can you unequivocally say that the Bible (and Jesus if he supported the same belief) is immoral if it says to kill innocent people (ie gays)? I can, therefore I'm a better role model than Jesus/"God".

 

Wow, amazing. You simply don't understand the warped Christian concept of eternal torture for being, say, a Buddhist, then do you?

Please answer this question:
If, repeat if, the Bible calls for eternal torture for very moral people who simply don't follow Jesus, then would you condemn it?

Folks, watch his answer carefully, as what he does NOT say will be as telling as what he does say.

 

By your answer it's patently obvious that you clearly feel that "a" was the correct answer!

You feel that The Bible/Jesus are correct, and that Elton, Ellen, Rock, etc. should be slaughtered, even though they are not really hurting you. Incredible.

As a Secular Humanist, you wouldn't believe that killing innocents was ok, just because some magicians who lived thousands of years ago said it's ok. I urge you to consider pursuing that more moral path, my friend. Always choose love over slaughter. Jesus didn't, but I'd like to think that a moral Secular Humanist would.

 

Excellent point.

Yes, Jesus clearly states that he approves of the atrocities in the old laws, showing how morally twisted he really was. In Jesus' own words from the New Testament, in Matthew 5:
17. “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven."
http://nlt.scripturetext.com/matthew/5.htm

Hopefully people can leave Jesus before it's still not too late.

 

Jesus spoke of forgiveness and not judging another man. He spoke of loving one another.

 

Why wouldn't I want to worship an immoral god? If there's anyone who can make your life miserable on a whim, it's an immoral god, I'd stay on his good side.

 

That's a good point. Where there is divine retribution there must be a fair amount of grusomeness and other pathways to megalomaniacal satisfaction.

 

Under Catholic interpretation, no, a Buddhist is not necessarily going to hell, or more specifically, will not necessarily be denied salvation. (See #847 below)


http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

 

Another way that religions could improve their standing would be to disband.