only 40% of grads found good "college jobs"

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  1. wyly

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    that was about the same time my niece started practicing Divorce/Family law, poor wages long hours and the stress of ugly divorces drove her to quit...but the corporate world wanted to take advantage of her law background and instantly doubled her wages, then doubled again and doubled again...not the type of law she envisioned for herself when she began her studies but she adapted and succeeded...
     
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    The platform of the Democratic Party is since millions of college graduates can't find good jobs, the solution is to increase this to tens of millions of college graduates who can't find jobs.

    One of the big lies of leftwing ideology is a person should pursue whatever they want as a career even if there is no job market for it.
     
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    Most do, though not a "college" degree. Rather, so many hours (which can be years worth) and the ability to pass licensing examinations.
     
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    Why was YOUR law degree "worthless?" Piles of people become very wealthy as an attorney. Why not you?

    I don't think the problem was your degree was worthless.
     
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    Did you pass the bar exam? A law degree does not a lawyer make. If you did, did you keep your license current? If so, what state?
     
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    As a general statement, just because someone gets a degree in X, does not mean they actually understand the practical application of that subject. Book learning is not 'real world' experience.

    While everyone has to start someone where with experience, some graduates believe they should be at the top of their field and pay within a year or two of graduation. Those that do, are the exception. High school graduates have been told from many directions that a college degree is the end all, so they throw money at the colleges to get a piece of paper with out actually looking at the applicability of the subject they get the degree in.

    Not every needs a degree, and they have become heavy on the ground, lessening their value.
     
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    I'm sorry, what does this have to do with your misleading and false claim: "The odds of a graduate getting a job that justifies incurring the schools’ typical debt are essentially 100 to 1"?
     
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    So because of your personal failures you want to deny others the opportunity of getting an education?

    How magnanimous of you.
     
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    "A study found that a third of people haven't detectably learned anything after four years in college.

    Although Caplan thinks college is mostly a scam, he says there's one type of person who definitely benefits -- professors like him.

    "I'm a tenured professor," he said. "A tenured professor cannot be fired. ... You got a nice income and there are almost no demands upon your time."

    Professor Caplan is only expected to teach for five hours a week.

    I told him that sounded like a government-subsidized rip-off.

    "Yeah. Well, I'm a whistleblower," replied Caplan."

    https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/college-education-cost-tuition-taxpayer-subsidies/
     
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    What do you propose to end the $1.5 trillion student debt and the ranks of thousands of unemployed graduates which continue to grow every year?
     
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    it sure as hell remains worthless to me - it's somewhere in my closet with other old stuff that is of no value

    same with other classmates


    As for licensing, I was a registered enrolled agent:

    https://www.naea.org/educating-america/what-enrolled-agent


    but my registration has now expired.
     
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    Source for that claim?

    While I agree that certain libs push for more education, their real failure is their inability or unwillingness to change the underlying problems in our society such as lack of employment opportunity. As I have told local libs who push for more education, all those degrees and more schooling is of no value if it is not backed up with more EQUAL opportunity for all. Whenever I tell them that, they ignore it and continue to push for more education which results in wasted tax dollars and frustration for everyone. And let's not kid ourselves - right wingers ignore that as well.

    The solution is for less education and for more job opportunity, especially at blue collar levels.
     
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    The School of Ag at ISU has a 95% 10 year year job placement with in 6 months. Last year they claimed a 99.5% job placement in 6 months. Get a degree in a job field that is hiring.
     
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    I have a friend who is hiring at $40 plus an hour. You will work every weekend and holiday how ever, with your days off being during the week.
     
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    Should the left insist jobs listings posted for more than a quarter be taxed unless the wage is raised every quarter until the position is filled?

    We may need more accurate market based metrics.
     
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    I suspect you did not look that hard. The kids around here that go to law school if they are smart and can communicate with out being an ass have multiple job offers when excepted into law school. But you will have to be willing to live in rural America. Do taxes for farmers in the winter and spring, land transactions, and distribute eastates. 3% of 10 million dollar estates is not bad work.
     
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    I could paper the walls of the Empire State Building with all the resumés I sent out. Ditto for my classmates.
     
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    The law school I went to also claimed a 95% job placement rate as did all those law schools that were sued by unemployed graduates.
     
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    I didn't say anything about it.

    I just pointed out your misleading and false use of the quote, which you still have not owned up to.

    Why should others be denied the opportunity of an education because of your personal failures?
     
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    All the facts stated in the article reveal why there are so many unemployed law school graduates. It is no surprise why so many graduates sued their schools: https://abovethelaw.com/2012/02/twe...h-class-action-lawsuits-over-employment-data/

    Look for yourself and you will see these are not fly by night institutions like Trump University. There are highly regarded schools among those whose graduates remain unemployed and wind up broke.
     
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    Worthless degrees certainly have something to do with it. I don't have any stats, but I'm old enough to remember when only a few out of every graduating class went to college. Now I grew up in the 1950's and graduated HS in 1964. Since not that many were going on to college, a college degree was worth a heck of lot more back then than today when huge numbers attend college. I wouldn't be surprised if 80% or higher college grads found good paying jobs back then. The drop to 60% and now 40% should be expected due to the flood of folks who have college degrees.

    Perhaps demand and supply is at work. Perhaps the number of jobs haven't decreased that demand a college degree, it's just the number of those graduating and competing for those jobs has increased. doubled, tripled, perhaps more. Are we seeing the results of the big push to get everyone a degree and having accomplished a lot of that, a good portion anyway, supply and demand has jumped up along with making the college degree worth less than when there were a lot less people with one. Something to think about.
     
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    Good for them. Lots of people had trouble finding jobs in the middle of the Great Recession, especially after the Republicans started their austerity campaign.

    1. What does that have to do with your misleading and false use of the quote, which you still have not acknowledged?

    2. Why should others be denied the opportunity of an education because of your personal failures?
     
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    Perhaps the OP is not being honest with his presentation of data. If his false and misleading use of data regarding law schools is any indication. He didn't cite one source for his claims in the OP.
     
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    yeah do a job you'll hate for the rest of your life, wow that's a brilliant idea...

    how do you know there's no market for a job? are you clairvoyant? market economics change by the day/month/year...a personnel shortage now could be filled and gone in year, a economic recession can throw millions out of work in the same time period...

    when asked by my kids what they should pursue for a career I told them to study what they love and they'll at least enjoy their chosen careers and get paid while doing it...all three did get their "worthless" degrees in what they loved(fine arts& social sciences) and all have homes and $70Kish wages three years after graduation
     
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    education should be free...forgive the debt and take it from defense spending budget...an educated population will create more jobs than giving it to military defense contractors...Denmark actually pays students support up to $900 per month to attend post secondary schools for up to 6 yrs...
     
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