Origin of the Racist Myth "Blacks are Less Intelligent"

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  1. J0NAH

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    I think you're posting this in the wrong thread, whatever....
     
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    What utter nonsense.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Clinical studies have shown that those with lower intelligence tend to be more prejudicial and prejudice has been found to be a root cause of racism. That doesn't imply that all racists are stupid but based upon clinical studies the typical racists does have a lower than average intelligence. They also tend to have "conservative" political beliefs as well because "liberal" beliefs don't tend to result in racial discrimination.

    http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html
     
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    Excessive prejudgment may a sign of low intelligence. That doesn't mean "racism" is a sign of low intelligence. What do you even mean by "racism"? If I think blacks are less intelligent on average, why would mean that I would prejudge them? Your reasoning is screwed. If making excessive prejudgements overall is associated with low IQ, that doesn't mean any prejudgement made implies a low IQ. You are going from generalities to specifics.
     
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    Thanks for the link.
     
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    What is this? jibberish?
     
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    One thing that readers of this thread are likely to see are posts which dismiss the evidence as "lies" or "garbage" because those with prejudicial racist beliefs are not willing to accept any evidence that disproves their bigoted beliefs. They can't present actual arguments that dispute the evidence so they simply deny it dismissing it either as "lies" or "garbage" because of their bigotry. They don't seek to know the truth but instead only seek to support their bigoted opinions regardless of the truth. The will resort to "attacking the messenger" because they cannot argue against the logic, facts, and evidence which disproves their prejudicial bigoted beliefs.

    It's alway interesting to watch the racists squirm when their myths are disproven.
     
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    No. Let me make it simple for you. Overeating may be a sign of low intelligence. That doesn't mean not eating at all is a sign of high intelligence. Similarly excessive prejudice may be a sign of low intelligence. No prejudice is not necessarily a sign of high intelligence. Some degree of prejudice is of course perfectly rational.
     
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    The linkage to low intellignce, prejudice and racism was addressed by the studies.

    http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html

    In can't be stated any clearer than that.
     
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    http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1076586&postcount=12
     
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    Why not just share with the group the great achievements of African peoples while Western Civilization developed into brilliance, on every imaginable front? That would put to rest any claims of intellectual differences in the races.

    Show us the progress of the dark continent throughout the past 2,000 years, and we can compare apples to apples.
     
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    Affirmative action attempts to address the symptom if indvidious discrimination against African-Americans but has done little related to the racial discrimination. When we consider that Affirmative Action only relates to a small percentage of the job market, that very few African-Americans benefit from it, and that only the "top level" African-Americans benefit we know that it isn't the solution to anything. It addresses a symptom of the problem in a very limited sense but the invidious racial discrimination which adversely affect the vast majority of African-Americans continues unabated. We see the "neo-racists" that argue that "Affirmative Action" is reverse discrimination but fail to acknowledge that White Americans are NOT discriminated against in the overall job market. A white American is not going to be denied a job based upon the color of their skin in the American job market but African-Americans are. African-Americans that manage to secure an education or job meet all of the requirements for that education or job but because of prior discrimination would not normally be accepted. That is all that Affirmative Action does. It provides education or employment to African-Americans that qualify for the education or job. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Until we end the discrimination the problem of addressing the symptom will remain. End all discrimination and the need to address the symptom slowly disappears. If "White neo-racists" want to see an end to Affirmative Action then they need to start voluntarily ensuring that African-Americans receive the same education and job opportunities as Whites in America. They can start by hiring a qualified Black man and contributing to the UNCF.

    http://www.uncf.org/
     
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    Blacks aren't discriminated against in the job market. They just have worse qualifications because they have lower genetic IQs, on average. I read one story where they tried to have intelligence tests taken out of the fire service requirement. This is the kind of crap we are dealing with.
     
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    What you are blatantly ignoring, and what Sowell is trying to say in his articles... is that the Black culture does not prioritize learning, advancement and achievement. So yes---there is a cultural bias because IQ test measure those potentials. Black women do not have the same peer pressures that black men do. The racial culture peer pressures is what is holding blacks back....not white racists. The answer comes from within in other words.

    It is well documented that blacks are scorned by blacks for making good grades and having good goals. Why would you ignore that? I would say if we really wanted to solve this problem---which could be solved in a generation---then we need to be honest.
     
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    Absolutely if we address something like a preference between different flavors in ice cream but when it comes to prejudice that results in bigoted invidious discrimination against People then it isn't "perfectly rational."
     
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    If you could keep your liberal smear words out of your points they might be more meaningful. How can I disagree that "bigoted invidious" discrimination against people is wrong? I could agree that discrimination against people could sometimes be justified.
     
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    Absolute BS.

    Notice the criteria of "qualified men and women of color" and not unqualified individuals. It is the bigoted prejudical belief of the racist that a Black person is automatically "stupid" that propagates the continued denial of qualified African-Americans from securing equality in the job market today. The "White" applicant has an automatic advantage in securing employment because of the bigoted belief that the "White" applicant automatically are more intelligent than the "Black" applicant and this is generally based upon a ten minute interview that really sheds no light whatsoever on the actual intelligence of either applicant.

    Unemployment statistics that address race clearly reflect the problem because these are individual that have a prior employment record but are still being denied employment in a disproportionate ratio. African-American with proven employability skills are roughly twice as likely to be denied employment and this is huge disparity can only be explained by invidious racial discrimination and not the intelligence or job skills of the applicants.

    http://equityblog.org/2011/04/01/march-2011-unemployment-by-race/
     
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    Thanks for the link:

    eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6559846_racial-discrimination-hiring-practices.html#ixzz1zwrHkmEv

    Since blacks are 13% of the population and tend to be less qualified what this actually tells us is that blacks are pro-black racists, while other races still give blacks advantages. LMAO.

    I guess this explains why racists have low IQs. Because of some blacks in the sample. ROTFLMAO.
     
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    As I've witnessed here, Jonah, ShivaTD & a few others carry the same banner of "black equality at all costs." For various reasons, blacks can't be adequately by measured by standadized IQ tests because they always score lower than asians, hispanics, arabs and those racist whites who made the tests for the sake of racism.

    Extensive testing over the years have shown the black IQ's are skewed about 10 points below the rest. But let's say all these tests were somehow invalid. Why not look at the evidence all around us to prove that "blacks are just as smart as everyone else."

    Where is the evidence for black innovation? How many great discoveries and inventions can be credited to blacks as a percentage?

    Where is there evidence of great ancient black civilizations in Sub-Sahara Africa that were undoubtably built and designed by blacks?

    Where are there any great black civilizations today where the majority of citizens live above the standards of poverty?

    Where do FBI and DOJ crime reports show anything other than the facts that blacks have about a 10 times higher violent crime rate over the last 100 years?

    Only the greatest minds can design things like jet engines and nuclear reactors, but just to build and maintain roads, bridges, power grids and other forms of infastructure must take above average intelligence. How well are these being maintained in Haiti, the Ivory Coast, the D-R-Congo and other places overwhelmingly black?
     
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    This is best addressed by the following:

    http://www.mlkonline.net/quotes.html

    When we reach that point in our history were the racists cease to exist and their invidious bigoted beliefs that African-Americans are less intelligent or more prone to crime are dispelled so that All People are judged by their "content of their character" as opposed to preconcieved beliefs based upon the color of their skin then there will be equality in America. Until then the discrimination continues it acts like a self-fullfilling prophecy. If the black man is oppressed then they won't have the motivation to achieve success in education and enterprise and they will continue to score lower on standardized IQ test that measure intelligence related to education and enterprise. If we continue to discriminate against the black man in education and employment they will resort to crime because we deny them the American Dream of equality.

    It is the invidious bigoted racist discrimination that creates the problem and will continue to perpetuate the problem. African-Americans are not the problem in America but their plight does reflect the problem created by ignorant prejudice and bigotry.
     
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    Change the record dude.

    Stating the fact that blacks have lower IQs and are more prone to crime in general is perfectly compatible with treating people as individuals. The only "invidious bigotry" is your constant "blame whitey" excuses for black criminality and failure.

    Look at the poor underprivileged blacks.

    Look how grateful they are to be bussed into white schools. How sad.

    Sometimes I wonder whether we should treat people as individuals. Sure there are some decent blacks, but is integration really working out?
     
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    *facepalm*
     
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    list some geniuses ,inventors,physicists ,rocket scientists,,quantum mechanics....look here is reality,as a whole,for what ever reason they score less on the same tests that everyone else takes.....Exceptions are always found in all walks of life.........blacks make better basketball players ,but you have an occasional Larry Bird ect....deal with it.
     
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