Now for the purposes of this particular discussion we are assuming a spontaneously created Adam with Eve having been made from his rib, per the Bible account. Anyone who cannot provide arguments within that context will be given nasty emojis and call a spoilsport and a party pooper. After we assume our premise, we are left with the quandary of where the rest of us come from. Many people will say we are all descended of Adam and Eve, but few ever think of what that implied. The first and immediate implication is that we are all distant products of incest. If Adam and Eve were the only people created, then their children would have been forced to have other children with their siblings, and maybe even with their parents. In this case, I use forced as in no other choice not as in against their will. Our second option is that Adam and Eve were the prototypes and God then later spontaneously created other humans for their children to go out and have children with. The mentioning of other people first occurs when Cain is cursed for killing his brother, and he is worried that others will exact revenge beyond God's punishment, hence the mark from God to prevent that. Yet, after that passage, it is then revealed that Adam and Eve had Seth, noting specifically that they had himafter the loss of Able, and then had many more sons and daughters after Seth. So then where did the others whom Cain was afraid of come from. Eventually Cain found a village and married some one from it, but due to the lack of described time passing, and their multi centuries of life back then, there could have been a population build from any of the methods listed here. Our final option also stems from the accounting that there were people for Cain to be afraid of and later marry. And that is simply that they evolved and form the main stock of humanity. So which do you believe is the origin of man after Adam and Eve were created or if you don't believe in the spontaneously created Adam and Eve, which do you feel is the more likely under the assumptions of the thread? If you reject all three, and still remain under the assumptions, what is your theory? Edit: Mods, for some reason a button was hit while I was typing in poll options and posted the thread prematurely. Is there a way to edit the poll? In the meantime everyone should still be able to voice their opinions.
The argument begins with an impossible premise and is thus null and void. However to play your game and avoid Emoji damage. After god made Adam and ripped out his rib, he decided to rip out two more and had Lilith spit on them with her alien genetic saliva, endowing them with her spittle born uniqueness. These he grew into two new creation and set aside just outside the Garden gates for 9.8 days and 11.5 nights during which they got seriously busy having the Lilith gene of wanting to be on top all the time. By the time Adam got booted he was tired of missionary and decided to play with the females while Lilith watched and Able learned how a real man does the deed. Cain didn't like Able getting all the attention and instruction so he killed Able to have the Lilith babes to himself.
Well if we were to assume that the origin story 100% literal then I would say that it was incest. My reasoning is the long life spans to begin with. But also if we look further in the text there was a reset with the great flood. No where does it say that other humans survived so incest again had to be used for the continuance of the race.
For one...an animal cannot be created from a singular bone of itself. Two...Wet soil cannot be turned into an animal on command. Three...IF these two humans were "Created" they would immediately create a bottleneck of breeding and eliminate the species through genetic defect. Finally....Miracles are by definition impossibilities.
Adam and Eve where not and are not the beginning of humanity. Even the Bible disagrees with this reality/fact: Genesis 4: 16-18. Where did the wife of Cain come from? Moreover, how did the Land of Nod exist when there were supposedly no other people on Earth?
Did you read any of the post? I even gave the possibilities of where they came from. There is no indication of time from Cain and Able's births to their falling out to Cain entering into Nod and taking a wife. So even just from the first murder to taking a wife a whole century or more could have passed (remember 800+year lifespans). More than enough time to make a large population jump via incest. Of course there are the other two options, and that Adam and Eve's line merged with either other humans created by God, but not mentioned, or humanoids that evolved. Basically the entire post is a question asking which of the three options you believes answers the question of where the people of the land of Nod came from.
"Adam and Eve" was an allegory, perhaps representing a point at which human beings had the self-awareness of human beings. There were, of course, at least several hundred thousand 'people' on the planet at that mythical point. What interests me is what humans will evolve into next....
Spoilsport! Party Pooper! The premise is not the allegory. Even if the allegory is the truth, we are not exploring the truth. We are exploring possibilities based upon the premise given, that Adam and Eve were actual created beings. Not allegories, nor came from evolution.
Not really sure. Hmmm... But, I am reminded of this joke: God to Adam: I would like to create a mate for you called "Woman". Adam to God: I want her to be great at sex, faithful, able to cook and clean and have undying obedience to me. What will that cost? God to Adam: An arm and a leg. Adam to God: What can I get for a rib?
Forgive me... I must have completely misunderstood. My friends and I used to muse about things involving these sorts of fantasy "premises" when we were in high school, a million years ago. I guess I've spent too much time since then thinking about other types of things to 'go there' anymore. But, I hope you and your friends have fun with it anyway.... . Next, you may enjoy debating the 'true' nature of the Earth's structure....
Life had to start somewhere, so who created the life ETs evolved from? Although Tom DeLong was told by people in our gov't that ETs or someone created humans from other primates and we didn't evolve naturally via evolution. It was either Watson or Crick who said before he died that life didn't start here, as the odds were too high, but life was seeded.
It seems likely that Humans indeed evolved and inter breeded based on accumulated genetic and fossil evidence There is simply too much data available to ignore and virtually none for any opposing hypothesis. The religious creation hypothesis in particular has absolutely nothing to back it and enormous information to debunk it.
And again, the context of the thread has nothing to do with whether that premise is true or not. This is not rocket surgery people. You have been given a premise, and asked for your ideas based upon THAT premise! Nothing more. If you want to discuss other premises, go create your own threads.
First, you don't understand the Christian ideology. Second, you apply a non-Christian ideology to a Christian concept. In Christian theology, Adam and Eve were perfect creations. They had no genetic defects. When Adam & Eve disobeyed God, then sin entered the world. Sin is not an act, it is a process that corrupted the entire world of Creation. Over time, sin resulted in disease, animals killing each other, violent weather. In Genesis, the first people lived for centuries, but each succeeding generation had a shorter lifespan - the result of sin corrupting all aspects of the physical universe. Think of sin as a cancer that starts with one cell and slowly spreads until it invades an organ, then another, until eventually it has spread throughout the entire body. That process took a long time. The early generations did not have genetic defects, there were no inherited mutant genes to cause deformity and still birth in offspring. Offspring from marriages between relatives in the first few generations would not be dangerous. And since the first few generations lived 500+ years, many offspring were produced.
Its not my interpretation, its basic Christian theology. This thread asks a question about Christian theology. If you don't know anything about Christianity, then you should learn before commenting.
I was raised Christian (Catholic school and Church for ten years) but this interpretation never came up. I guess it is one of the Christian versions that My Christian version did not consider Christian. There are a lot of those in every Christian version created when the other Christian version has rules and stories my Christian version did not like. Oh wait...I was Catholic which is not Cristian to many Christians.
Being "raised Christian", even if you went to catechism, means little more than you were exposed to Christianity. It does not mean you actually read the Bible, or actually studied the Bible and all the material required to understand it in context, and it does not mean you know Christian theology. The issue raised in this OP is a bit deeper than Christianity 101, maybe Christianity 201, but what I posted is standard Christian theology independent of the major denominations.
Do you have any Idea what Catholic school entails? Church every day but Saturday...before classes start First class is Math. Second is English. Third is Bible study. Fourth is Spelling/Composition. Fifth is Religion. Then we go to Church and recess, This goes on every year with some variation. It is also the reason I am Atheist, well that and mean Nuns. I have read and understand several Bible versions, I have read the Qu'ran (the pathetically inadequate English translation) looked into Hindu, Buddhist, and even Mormon texts. When my brother went Jehovah I even looked at that BS. None of this matters actually because Christians like you will say the Pope does not know the Christ the way they do and is thus uninformed.
I know what Catholic school entails. I also know that going to Catholic school, even graduating from Catholic school, does not mean a person actually knows the theology, or the Bible. Think about it. Christianity has been around for 2,000 years, Judaism 4,000 years, many people have spent their entire lives analyzing them and the Bible. Theologians and academics have built entire careers on studying and analyzing and interpreting the Bible. Do you really think someone on this forum is going to ask a question that has not already been asked and answered? There are aspects of the Bible and Christianity and Judaism which are difficult, there are some questions without good answers. But it takes real understanding of the subject to find most of these troubling items.
theological myths created 2000 years ago cannot stand up to rational scientific knowledge of today. Adam and Eve are the creations of profoundly ignorant men attempting to answer all man's questions on behalf of their god. Some even claimed to have a direct mental line to the big guy who told them what to write. Metaphorical theological discussion of adam and eve is one thing. Any scientific discussion of their existence should be a really short one - its a myth not a truth.
