oung athlete, 11, grabbed gun from his mom’s car before shooting teammates: surveillance footage

There was time when the MSM could tell the truth.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” Edward R. Murrow

 

Thanks for reminding us that many of you are living in the 18th Century…

 

no, but most of it was. most of those convicted were left-wingers.

 

I went to what was an all boys school it went coed after I was there a couple years. You had a beef with another boy-the AD took you down to the wrestling mat it was boxing or wrestling-the kid who didn't start it got to choose. The AD would step in after he figured it was going one way-and said if you want to fight some more-fight me-he was 6-4 and 250=played linebacker for Ohio State. No one took him up on that.

 

so in your mind there is no need for defensive weaponry in the modern times?

 

Such as TRAITOR tRump and his flock of MAGreatA’s. He’s constantly shearing them for every penny he can!

 

That’s not close to the truth.

 

This was not a gang shooting, it was a bully victim taking revenge with his mothers gun, The mother was a law abiding gun owner.

The gun was stored according to Florida law (in a box). However, the presence of a kid overrides that law and the mother could be guilty of a misdemeanor over not having the gun under lock and key (which would make self defense almost impossible). There is also an exception to that rule: "except when the person is carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body."

So, who knows which exception applies. If they want to charge the mother, they can always find some technicality to get to her, and same applies to all gun owners. People have to be very well informed of all the laws and exceptions to avoid time in prison. For example, you might not have kids, so you keep your gun in the drawer next to your bed, but as soon as a friend visits the house with his kid, you might be breaking the law.

 

so you are claiming most of the BLM rioters who were arrested were far right? Kyle Rittenhouse is about the only right winger I can recall being arrested and he was acquitted meaning the jury found his actions to be both legal and justified-meaning those he shot were engaging in actions that justified his actions, I recall two left wing lawyers who threw molotov cocktails in police vehicles and were convicted. The people who basically occupied Seattle IIRC were leftwing extremists/ everyone of those clowns could have been arrested for numerous offenses. BLM scum engaged in roadblocks-again illegal.

 

I don't have any issue with that post of yours

 

Yes I am.

Leaked Documents Show Police Knew Far-Right Extremists Were the Real Threat at Protests, Not “Antifa”
... law enforcement offices across the country were sharing detailed reports of far-right extremists seeking to attack the protesters and police during the country’s historic demonstrations ...
https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists
“authorities have been monitoring alleged criminals online, including postings by suspected white supremacists trying to incite violence.”
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20200610/110775/HHRG-116-JU00-20200610-SD019.pdf

Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa.
... protests in more than 140 cities and spoke with U.S. officials within the joint terrorism task force. Most of the violence, Jones said, was committed by “local hooligans, sometimes gangs, sometimes just individuals that are trying to take advantage of an opportunity.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist
A masked, umbrella-wielding man accused of helping incite riots and looting in the aftermath of George Floyd's police-involved death has been identified as a member of a white supremacist group that aimed to stir racial tensions amid largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protests, according to police.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536

There's lots more.

 

I'll bet the 11-year-old didn't know that either. Well maybe he did. It didn't stop him.

 

Because they give out guns like popcorn? You don't even need a license apparently...

 

what was the leanings of the majority of people arrested in BLM protests.

 

Tada!

 

Its amazing how many falsehoods are in such a short post

 

Tokenistic at best.

Guns don't even need to be registered. Is that a falsehood?

 

The problem is our broken society; too many people have been left behind for too long, we under-fund mental health care, we under-fund schools and the first thing that gets cut are counselors that used to watch out for kids with problems. And, IMHO, we have done NOTHING to ensure that gun owners are knowledgeable and, know how to secure firearms responsibly as seems to be the case in this shooting.

Before we start infringing on our Constitutional rights we need to do OUR/U.S. national due diligence and address the problems that are enabling and causing gun violence.

Guns are inherently dangerous and we are doing nothing to ensure owners are competent, mentally healthy and knowledgeable. We are doing nothing to bring all Americans to the bountiful table that is our country. In fact in the last several years our chosen leaders have increased divisiveness between us.

 

"Take the gun out of the equation"

nice try mel, you almost did it!

 

If they were being threatened with deadly force, then of course I believe they should have the right. But because some other kid pushed him out of line, or stole his bag of chips-- no, that is no legitimate cause for gunfire, and no legitimate need for it. Dealing with problems without resorting to gunplay, is an important skill for everyone to master, from their childhood through young adulthood. Our society would be doomed, if the day came when most of us could not distinguish the difference between a credible, serious threat to our well being, perhaps to our very survival, and merely someone being a pushy bully.

 

so you are saying that every kid ( 11yr old and similar age) should be free to use weapons to "defend" themselves against bullies.??

Bullies have existed as long as humans have. What motivated this group to chase him in the first place??
That kid learned one lesson in that experience: Guns are the way to deal with these issues that arise . His easy access to a weapon is very troubling. And why is that his first line of defense ?? What would he have done is he did not have access to a weapon??
Maybe he provoked the response from those bullies.
One can make many assumptions without knowing all the facts of the situation.
Are we to ASSUME that this behavior has been learned from his family environment?? A casual attitude to weapons as seems to be the case with that gun just lying on a car seat.
Maybe the kid should take Karate lessons to enhance his confidence in dealing with bullies. ( and if he provoked it......he needs to learn not to repeat that behavior)

 

depends on the state, but its a worthless thing to do. every gun banning group wants registration: criminals cannot be prosecuted for ignoring registration laws so it is only designed to harass lawful gun owners

 

I agree it's not just about (the existence) of guns. It's a multi-pronged approach that is needed. I was really highlighting a problem with the gun 'culture' - that the gun has somehow become a problem solving instrument when somebody's giving you a hard time. But of course that's part and parcel of all the social issues that you've mentioned.

 

Perhaps gun owners will respect guns a little bit more if they are registered to them. Who knows?

 

On a personal level? Not if you are living in a civilised society. We don’t need them here - Brits don’t need them, Europeans…… etc etc etc