"Our Father and GOD!"

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  1. elderchild

    elderchild New Member

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    Seems there are multitudes who believe "Our Father and GOD" is not Messiah inclusive!

    Yet The Messiah bore witness unto The TRUTH when He testified, "I ascend unto My Father, and your Father, and to My GOD, and your GOD." (John 20:17)

    Simply The Messiah's "Father and GOD" is The Father and GOD of His brethren as well!

    "Our Father and GOD" indeed and TRUTH!

    And "OUR FATHER AND GOD" IS "The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(HE WHO IS SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL(Messiah inclusive)"!

    For TRUTH testifies that The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD"! (Rev 3:15)

    "Let There Be Light" and "There was Light"!

    The Messiah, "The True Light" which "enlightens every man born into the world"!

    Thankfully, the brethren of The Messiah have their portion with The Messiah in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)

    And NEW "Jerusalem which IS above IS free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)

    So it is we choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for we have realized that "Our Father and GOD" as well as "our citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven"!

    And soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

    Till then:

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
  2. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Truth is subjective. You have drank the Kool-Aid as a Christian, so of course you will see truth through the lens of your Christian beliefs. I am fine with that. Where I say Christians cross the line is when they try to make me drink the Kool-Aid. Not saying that is what you are doing... but just a general gripe I have about Christians.
     
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    Bravo. Another non-theist drinks this Christians Kool-Aid. This robini123 has unwittingly (presumed unwittingly) acknowledged the 2.c. definition of 'fact'. "2.c. Something believed to be true or real:" When something is "believed to be" that something is subjective. In this case, robini123 has declared that 'truth' is subjective and robini123 believes that statement of his/hers to be true, else robini123 has entered the realm of deceitfulness.
     
  4. elderchild

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    i most certainly can 'see' you standing next to Pilate, as the multitudes do, questioning, "What is Truth?"

    Yet such is a better place to be than with the billions of pagan catholic and christian clones who have sold their souls and are held captive by the strong delusion that is but the theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies that emanated from mankind's "imag"ination! For mankind's "imag"ination is 'd'evil's playground!

    So it is that Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures) is being destroyed, and that which is Spirit(Truth, Light, Life, Love, Peace, Faith, Hope, Wisdom,,,,,,, ALL that is Truly GOOD) is being perverted!

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html

    Yet TRUTH IS, WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE!

    And you declare me to be a "christian"?

    "Kool-Aid"!? Seems you are the one who has swallowed the pagan catholic and christian religious lies which have blinded the "eye of your understanding" )-;

    History has revealed that multiplied billions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the god(s) of this or that religion!

    Proving the fruit of death is bore of religion's way!
    For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play )-;

    All religious ones are of the lemmings who blindly follow "the father of lies"!

    Simply, religion is anti-messiah!

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/08/religion-is-anti-messiah.html

    And seems you would be of those who have their portion in the cult(all religions are cults) of self-worship that calls itself atheism, those who see their 'god' each and every time they look in a mirror )-;

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-have-been-accused-of-being-member-of.html

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html

    Apparently you have not yet received "a love of The Truth", yet you do quote Gandhi, a man who more than likely did receive "a love of The Truth".

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/09/earth-provides-enough-to-satisfy-every.html

    Yet Gandhi's activism politically seems a question mark? And could indicate he became a victim of 'his own way'?

    His natural children followed the political way, and politician is but a synonym for "liar"!

    And Gandhi's quote below most certainly bespeaks of The Truth!

    "Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics, do not know what religion is".......

    His political involvement might indicate that he chose to take 'his own way' )-;

    "religion" and "politics" are anti-truth, and yet were and are needful for the multitudes of "disobedient and gainsaying(covetous) people" who would rather have a man than GOD speak to them, and would rather have a man than GOD rule over them!

    "Come out from among them and be separate"!

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
  5. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Nice assumptions about me, largely inaccurate though. And did I offend you by calling you a Christian? Well when you create a thread and post 4 Bible passages, it sure makes you look like a Christian. If you are not, then I am truly sorry for my insult.
     
  6. elderchild

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    Assumptions no!

    TRUTH is not subjective! TRUTH IS that which IS REAL, and that which IS REAL IS FOREVER!

    The words you posted were the basis for my response, and based upon the words you posted my response was accurate. Now if you post lies or that which is of your own vain "imag"ination, or anything that is not of The Truth well then that's your problem and not mine.

    Even athiests post scriptures, and if you can not comprehend the simplicity of my signature then why even respond?

    The insult was not in the accusation but in the total disregard for that which i had posted and then responding from the darkness that is a lack of understanding, rather than questioning.

    In any case forgiveness given yet needs be received, and i have found that those who abide in The LIE find it difficult to receive anything that is not given in the same spirit that has them bound in the chains of strong delusion.

    Forgive you, yes.......

    Yet what is truly needful is freely given those who seek and desire to abide in The Spirit of TRUTH!

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     
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    IMO truth is very subjective. The Bible is truth for Christians, the satanic bible is truth for satanist, the Book of Mormon is truth for Mormons... so on and so forth. Does a Catholic see truth in the Book of Mormon... I would doubt it. So if you see truth in the Bible, great... it is a free Country. I think so much strife in this world can be traced to disputes on the subject of truth... and those who say that it is not subjective.

    A ship is intercepted off the Gaza Strip in International waters and forced to a Port in Israel. Some say the "truth" is that the Israelis are pirates and illegally detaining ships from sovern foreign Nations... others say the "truth" is that the Gaza Strip is full of terrorists and Israel is just protecting its sovereignty by trying to intercept arms shipments to Gaza. Who is right? Both sides see a different "truth".

    IMO truth is subjective... we will just have to disagree.
     
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    You disagree, not with me, but with The TRUTH!

    Simply sad for you )-;

    For TRUTH IS ALIVE!

    Yet you choose death as you remain bound in the chains of strong delusion that is of this wicked, evil world and it's systems of religion )-;

    However, while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

    Father Help! and HE does.......
     

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