Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Robodoon, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. Stupidsheep

    Stupidsheep New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I doubt it. The generals are either in on it, or so brainwashed and conditioned over years and years of overseeing wars that they don't know anything else. It's like in the movie, shawshank redemption, when Brooks gets released. He is old and been in prison so long, he knows nothing of the outside world.

    These people have been transformed into machines without a conscience. If they can kill innocent people in other countries that have posed no threat to them, I believe they would kill people here who are revolting against a tyrannical government. I firmly believe that they are more concerned for their paycheck than they are truly defending their nation. If they were more concerned with truly protecting their country, they never would have enlisted in the first place.

    that sounds contradictory and inaccurate depending on your description of law enforcement. So officers know about the nwo, but they continue to go along with it and refuse to risk their families livelihood, even though in the long run, they are risking their families livelihood anyway by not doing something about it. When you get an infection, a cold, you either address it immediately, or you ignore it and it gets worse and more difficult to cure.
    Not really a good analogy. The church may lie to people about god, but they aren't killing people. People can believe in god if they want, and they won't die because of it.

    The US federal government lies to people to get them to kill other people. Theynuse money to get people to kill other people. Then they lie to the public so that the public remains ignorant so that the public continues to pay taxes and live in fear of the Muslim boogeyman.
     
  2. Stupidsheep

    Stupidsheep New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If you don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) then why reply? I think you know it's true but you just hate when people point it out because you are so used to the idiot sheep bowing down to you and saying thanks for fighting for my freedom.

    Too bad, so sad, more and more people are realizing that adage is horse droppings.
     
  3. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    9,069
    Likes Received:
    384
    Trophy Points:
    83
    There are many different kinds of people in every aspect of live. I have no doubt some soldiers could kill Americans indiscriminately, but don't bet your bottom dollar they all would. The same can be said for generals and police. The reason they aren't fighting is the same reason you aren't out fighting. There is no major movement to get behind. Nothing. It is coming as sure as you are born. As more and more Americans get disenfranchised by globalism, more and more are looking for answers that the store bought media outlets simply refuse to supply. For the 1st time in modern history, that crazy uncle can talk at the dinner table about new world order and all listen with baited breath. The scariest thing about that is the majority of information is assumptions, and because he obviously has more info than the media, all will be considered truth. A movement is on the horizon, I just hope it is more of a movement unlike the world has ever seen than a repeat of past nationalists. The world needs to know good nationalists do exist. So far I think Gandhi is the only one globalists can't taint with lies.
     
  4. Stupidsheep

    Stupidsheep New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I could substitute bankers in place of Islamic and it would be more accurate.
     
  5. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can sum up this thread...

    If you are having grandios delutions about yourself and your self worth, if you see conspiracies around every corner please seek medical help.

    They have medicines that can help you, it's not normal to go on long tirades about nothing, it's a mental condition that needs to be fixed to live a normal life
     
  6. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    9,069
    Likes Received:
    384
    Trophy Points:
    83
    LOL. Yeah, you could for sure. I'm sure Islam would love to do the same, but international bankers are far closer to having total control of the world's populace than any religion ever dreamed of. Money buys more food than prayer.
     
  7. Stupidsheep

    Stupidsheep New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yeah, I'll just jump on the big pharma manufactured drugs right away because you're the one that's in denial. Great plan enistien! NOT.

    Or did you just miss the post that came straight from a marine general over 75 years ago stating the truth about war? If there is a god, I hope he/she finds you and heals you because the children of this world are depending on you to snap out of your military induced coma.
     
  8. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    9,069
    Likes Received:
    384
    Trophy Points:
    83
    LMAO. Hyperbole, defended with fallacies and generalizations, and topped with an endorsement for pharmaceuticals. Anything to get others to quit pointing out you're a coward.
     
  9. Dware

    Dware New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Called me a coward huh...interesting


    This is probably the most humerous thread I seen at PF in awile. I feel alot of nerd rage going on.
     
  10. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    9,069
    Likes Received:
    384
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Calling others insane is perfectly acceptable, but you being called a coward in retort is not? There is no tougher opponent in this day and age than globalists. Or did you think Sadam was going to land on American soil here shortly? The globalists are bankrupting America as we type. Do something about that, hero.
     
  11. Uncle Meat

    Uncle Meat Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2010
    Messages:
    7,948
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I certainly give a (*)(*)(*)(*).

    We need more threads like this.

    Continue ...
     
  12. wezol

    wezol New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's called security....

    Tell me, since you know SOOOO much about war, what is one reason to push a car off the road that wont get out of the way?

    I'll tell you....

    If you slowed a convoy down for every slow car that wont get out of the way, the taliban is going to take note....a slow convoy is an easier target for an ambush, which is why you don't slow down, and you don't stop.

    You're ignorance astounds me....you blind sheep.
     
  13. James Cessna

    James Cessna New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    13,369
    Likes Received:
    572
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You are very correct, wezol.

    Especially when you say, "You're ignorance astounds me....you blind sheep."

    [​IMG]

    The liberal congressional Democrats and the sheeple who always vote for them do not like our military and they never will!
     
  14. Prohobo

    Prohobo New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    604
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It seems that you don't know the difference between tactical decisions and strategic planning. How a tactical decision defines and defends a strategic plan and war, well that is beyond me.

    My I suggest the following reads:

    On War by Carl von Clausewitz
    Second World War (6 vols) by Churchill
    Art of War by Sun Tzu


    I have a full list of tactical, strategic, and political planning books on war.
    There are some great books on the subject.
     
  15. wezol

    wezol New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You do not stop, and you do not slow down for one car. You use escalation of force. Warning shot, flare, if they still don't move, you move them. It's harder to remote detonate an IED and get a direct hit on a fast moving convoy, but you slow that convoy down, and their odds of getting that direct hit improve dramatically. Then you have a downed truck, a stopped convoy, and then here come the RPG's and automatic fire on troops getting out of their trucks to rescue the men in the downed truck. So you mitigate those risks by not stopping, using any means necessary. Therefore, it would be a TACTICAL DECISION. You can't strategically plan things that are METT-TC dependent. That's where your SOP's come into play.

    I do understand, because I've been there and done it.
     
  16. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    4,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you think we go over there and just start mowing down people with machine guns or something?

    Please explain to me how shooting at the troops makes a person innocent.
    So if you shoot at me and I kill you I am a murderer? Please explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever.
    And who are the "real men" you speak of?
     
  17. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    4,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You do realize that the military is just like the civilian world when it comes to people. You have your select few idiots and you have your good soldiers. The guys in my platoon never teased the kids. On every single patrol we would stuff our pockets full of candy and juice to give the kids. We became so close that the kids knew almost all of us by name and we were invited to dinner at a number of houses by their families.

    So....am I welcome to come back to "your" country?
     
  18. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    4,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    To add to this,

    The population knows to get out of the way of Coalition convoys. They even have billboards posted up everywhere telling people to stay away. They have commercials on TV telling people to stay away. And if you can't read or don't have a TV then logic will kick in after watching a convoy for about a minute and seeing that it doesnt stop. We operate vehicles ranging from 12,000lb armored humvee's to 68 ton Abrams tanks. Logic would say MOVE when you see a line of those coming your way.

    When at war your troops are the most important thing to you. You do not put your troops at a higher risk by stopping for cars. If the car choose to be stupid then thats their problem. Simple logic makes them know better.
     
  19. wezol

    wezol New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Exactly, we only had to push cars a handful of times. 99% of the time they knew the drill. The one's who DONT move, are the one's that put you on edge, because we've been there for 8 years....and the know the drill by now.
     
  20. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sometimes.


    [ame="http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/Aegis-PSD.wmv"]British Mercenary trophy video[/ame]
     
  21. IndridCold

    IndridCold Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    1,342
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ^^^^ I repeat this.

    We can SOOOO trust private entities, with their will to make you jobless if they can get a more desperate person instead of you. SOOO fu*king trust worthy these private businesses/entities are!!!

    :roll:
     
  22. Prohobo

    Prohobo New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    604
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
  23. Up On the Governor

    Up On the Governor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2010
    Messages:
    4,469
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    63
    We do not do it for your appreciation, so you can take this thread and stick it in your ass. I protect the freedom of Americans that are fighting overseas. I protect their right to come home in one piece and alive.
     
  24. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2009
    Messages:
    5,201
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Glad to see guys jumping all over the idiot assertion that moving a car off a road is cruel or unusual. This is what happens when idealistic civilains without the slightest understanding of counter-insurgency operations try to make their own interpretations of war footage. It's just like the apache footage in 2007. Seen by any Veteran of Iraq or military lawyer everything looks completely justifiyable. Seen by a civilain who doesn't have the slightest idea how ROEs are implemented or how the fog of war works and it can seem like murder.
     
  25. wezol

    wezol New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Thank you!

    I tried to explain the exact reasoning behind why we do this, but apparently it wasn't comprehended by arm chair generals. So if what you just said doesn't get trough to them, then I'm confident that no matter what is said or by whom, nothing will change their minds.

    Good post.
     

Share This Page