[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqyeBR23Kho"]2011 0ctober 15 Marty Speech - YouTube[/ame] please watch and comment speech by Marxist from Socialist Alternative "Speech by Socialist Alternative member Marty Harrison at Anti-War and Occupy Philadelphia rally (10/15/11). The quality of this video recording is disrupted somewhat by a cute child who keeps shaking the camera, but the speech is outstanding nonetheless. "
It is a good message. Put the money to work, to get capitalism working. Otherwise, we will collapse just like the Soviet Union did.
You have to love the world the way it is before ytou can change it. We love capitalism and we always will -we have to change capitalism. We are not, nor will we ever become socialists. GREAT SPEECH GIRL ! KUDOS, NONETHELESS !
Well, the speaker is on the Executive of the nurses union, hardly a dirty teenager. The population grows because of poverty. Solve poverty and populations will grow less. Poor people often find it makes economic sense to have a lot of kids. Anyway, the world's resources are not just a numbers game. Americans use many times more resources than Africans and Indians.
Cheers Capitalism has had it's chance. Now we need to give socialism a go. It's never been tried. The USSR failed because of lack of democracy. A planned economy cannot work on a top-down decision making process, with a privileged elite in power. It was doomed from the time Stalin consolidated power. It did manage a massive spurt in the 1950s, but that sort of thing is not long term. For socialism, you have to have the masses involved. Cheer again. But obviously I disagree with loving capitalism. Anyway, as many under 30s in America favour socialism as do capitalism, and on a global scale there are more people who want to scrap capitalism than there are who think it's ok as it is. About half want it reforming to distribute the wealth more and a quarter want to scrap it.
You don't know what you are talking about. Capitalism is the best system ever invented by men. Even the poors in the US are fat. Excuse my english.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry..."OWS", "Marxist", "socialist" and "serious" commingled in the same OP struck me as funny. Carry on.
You want the serious OWS thread? Who started this movement? How did it come to be? How was it promoted? How does it function? How is it organized? What are the problems with it? Where is it leading? What is hoping to be accomplished? The first three questions are pretty much the same thing, though almost nobody has any idea how this began or why. How was it promoted? Me and my three droogs vidi a bit of ultraviolence. Now, as an art (*)(*)(*), I gotta say, I love that piece of work. Very compelling. Notice the "black bloc" group back there with gas masks and weapons? I thought you might. We will get back to that. So... who made this poster and why? What is that ONE clear demand btw? I will bet you don't know. The poster was made by a Canadian anti-capitalism group best known for satire. Adbusters... go ahead and google them. They are an anti-consumerism pro-environment anti-Semitic activist group. This is also theirs, you may have seen it recently. So... what was that one demand again? http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/hey-president-obama-our-one-demand.html http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/robinhood.html I monitor about 15 OWS chats. Never heard a mention. Certainly no mention from MSM. Did you notice that General Assembly reference? This is something most outside of the movement do not understand. There is organization of sorts. It is anarchical in nature. The group functions as an anarchist community. http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...er-of-occupy-wall-street-10262011_page_1.html They use a process called "direct democracy" which is an anarchical social template. Now... remember those masks being handed out to everyone... I have discussed the anti government terrorist character in the movie which featured the mask. It is a somewhat disturbing tie to making Guy Fawkes a hero... not because of the Catholic/Protestant thing... but because he wanted to blow up a king... but the anonymity is an important part of this whole thing. The movement intimated and encouraged "Black Bloc" tactics from it's inception... with very threatening language. People constantly carry on about what OWS is... but here is the problem... your ideas are no more valid than those others in the 99% that you personally "do not" want to be associated with. You built an anarchist movement. You went all in. You welcomed anarchists. You encouraged black bloc tactics. Now the communal kool aid mandates that all of the anarchists screwing everything up are police "agent provocateurs". Police disguised as protesters with the intent of ratcheting up violence and vandalism... because that is what appeals to cops... "lets hurl deadly objects at our buddies so that hopefully they will kill some of the protesters..." You called for rain, and you brought it. Now you sit around (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing that it's wet. Tomorrow is the fifth of November. The blood will be on your hands if it escalates... this the day before a huge movement on the White House and Capitol. You are ignorant pawns who don't know why you are there, or whose bidding you are doing. This was always a revolutionary anarchist movement. It can only escalate. You are all (*)(*)(*)(*)ing morons.
what makes you think socialists want to steal money from those who work for a living? You are wrong by the way, it's not true.
State mandated "moral obligation" to the hive is about the furthest one can get away from individual liberty and economic freedom.... why do you support slavery to the state?
I did not. I believe that focusing on one message from one group whom you believe clearly states a message, does not represent OWS, or the 99%, but out of respect I will absolutely watch it. The point is that there will be people who make good points. There will be people, even masses of people, who will preach non-violence... but 31% of people on the ground say they are down for violence, and a whopping 98% of the 99% say they are down for some civil disobedience. Where it is going, has nothing to do with what you think you are trying to accomplish. This class warfare that is coming is going to be brutal.
A crusty veteran of reality....not a child shackled to a delusionally idealistic, proven failure of a world view.
I dont really know anything about Adbusters. I very much doubt they are anti-semitic. You would have to support that. They are hardly the whole of the OWS movement. I agree its not a good demand, taxing the rich is not the answer, we need to take all their wealth off them. Nationalise the banks an the top 500 companies, with no compensation unless need is proven. A very good template recommended by socialists. You should have watched my video. Here is an article on it. http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article20.php?id=1714 "Across the country and around the world, General Assemblies (GA) are a defining feature of the occupations. Their specific character and internal processes vary widely, but everywhere most Occupy activists consider GAs more than simply decision-making bodies for the immediate protests. They are also viewed as a radical experiment in participatory, bottom-up democracy. " who is wearing masks? Did you see masks in my video? In any of the videos from Socialist Alternative? You are writing as if I am a naive bystander, but the speaker in my video is a leading person in the organisation I support, a revolutionary socialist one. You seem to think some bogeymen are behind this, but you are talking to someone who has been a revolutionary for nearly 30 years (admittedly not very active these days). I dont know what percentage of people in the OWS are anarchists. It certainly wont be the majority, not by a long way. Yes they can be a pain in the arse, but they are a fact of life for the left. We just have to put up with them. Sometimes they even work with us as opposed to against us. Sometimes they are more good than harm. Yes some anarchists are a liability. I know that. I am a Trotskyist. You should know that. Lenin's brother was executed for trying to assassinate the Tsar. Trotsky: "All Marxists in Russia began in the historic fight against terrorism".
No, I know you didnt. If you had, and had done a quick google, you would not have written your main post, or you would have written it completely differently, as it makes you look a bit of a chump. thank you. Hopefully now you can post stuff that relates to me. Hopefully it will lead to revolution, but that doesnt necessarily have to be violent.
he's likely unemployed. but prolly like most poor able to afford internet, cable TV, new clothes, micro-brews and a new car. you know, all those evil capitalistic things.
Socialism is not slavery, it's not about suppressing the individual. You need to read up on the subject, rather than just get a half baked version from right wing blogs. In socialism, people would have more freedom. In theory you would not even have a set job, and there would be no politicians or workers, or rather everyone would be both. In capitalism, you go to work for the boss. You might not even know who he is. He takes the work you have done, your ideas, everything you produce. Your work becomes his at the end of the day. Your relationship to others is hierarchical. He is your boss. He owns the work you do. He owns you in a way, if you don't have many career choices available. The point of Marxism is that humans are social animals. They are designed to do things together. This is how we evolved. Darwin brought out his book at the same time Marx and Engels were explaining the social aspect of humans. Humans evolved to work together, that's why we developed language. Not so one person could exploit another. That came a few thousand years ago and capitalism came a few hundred. Human have been evolving for 6 million years, or rather that's when our line split from the chimp line. Anatomically modern humans appeared 200,000 years ago, behavioural modernity came 50,000 years ago. Class society only came in 10,000 years ago, and the first ones were sometimes consciously overthrown and replaced by egalitarian ones.
Never claimed the dole in my life, apart from about 2 weeks and a few weeks invalidity. I am self employed, but I worked in industry for 17 years. I have met people from all walks of life. My self employed work takes me into the homes of poor people and millionaires. No I do not have the internet, my posts are delivered by carrier pigeon. Of course I have the bleeding internet! No, I can't afford new clothes. I have an oldish car, but it's pretty funky, sort of jeep. I use it as a sort of van (back seats removed). I don't make loads of money as my industry (the building game) is doing badly, plus I find it hard doing so many hours these days due to my knees getting painful. I don't know what a micro-brew is. I watch freeview.
