Palestine: the world's next recognized nation

Of course you defended the Jew-hating Nazi comparisons. Instead of reminding Zionists that it is terribly wrong to insult Holocaust survivors with Nazi comparisons, you contributed flamebating and personal attacks in defense of Jew-hatred:

ADL decries Nazi comparisons
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/adl_decries_naz.html

Zionism is often Israel's worst enemy.

 

The problem is that many Zionists gladly give Zionism a horrible reputation. Under the banner of Zionism, they often condemn Semites, advocate murder, exercise racial slurs, insult Jews, toss around insults and personal attacks, etc. It often seems as if nobody hates Zionism more than the common Zionists. Many Zionists seem to want for Zionism to be disliked and rejected. Their Zionism is how they present it, and they present a terrible image of it.

But, not all Zionism is bad. Some Zionists advocate a fair and just two-State solution for the better of all Semites. For example, Abbas is a just and fair Zionist, seeking a national homeland for Palestinians and Israelis. It is a pity that the US government does not support fair and just Zionists, allowing other Zionists to spew their hatred in forums like this one.

Notice how some Zionists eagerly insult and condemn Jews with Nazi comparisons simply because Abbas is a fair and just Palestinian Zionist:

 

Mindless? No the exposes are mindful. I regret nothing that I said about any member here, I do sometimes regret the way I said them.

Only the usual suspects compares the Jewish people with the subhuman Nazis who attempted to kill all of them. Thats the facts something that the usual suspects avoid.

Allow me to attempt to clarify why the Usual suspects are mistaken (even if its a mistake by design) ; If I say Hamas (terrorists) are Nazi like in their actions how in the world does that insult the Jewish people (whom Hamas attacks).

The criticism could not be more balanced. I have offered up many suggestions in a nice civil tone for every problem claims by the usual suspects. I and many others have presented non violent solutions that would give the Pals a homeland. We, the Pro Israel members have tried to reason with the US (usual suspects) by debating every aspect of the complaints of the Pals. The aspects include the right of the Pals to gain recognition by the UN as a true nation (which they do not have and never have had).

In fact every aspect of the Pal problem has been discussed and the criticisms have been fair balanced and civil in the face of crude insult and worse fabrications presented as facts (Most likely due to the astonishing success of radical Islamic propaganda)….well the debate was civil at first. However when I present all I have posted (above) and its ignored etc forcing me to go back find the post (due to the US usual suspects being unable to learn how to use quote tags) and repeat the same thing it over and over, and over and over and over….yes the presentation does become nasty because even Christians only have so many cheeks to turn etc

So I feel the words and intent of the Usual Suspects ie the U.S. represents a malicious to the core agenda. In fact its obvious that debate is not something the Usual suspects desire, no they simply want to argue which is non productive and a waste of time. However if I were oh, 12 years of age I would have a splendid time arguing with the Usual suspects.

* (I never said the SC (so called) Palestinian people were Nazi like nor did I endorse a comment like that from anyone)

The short and sweet answer. Look at these two statements and tell me the difference.

(these are generalizations to teach and are not meant to be factual)

(1)…Hamas’s terror actions are Nazi like. (my statements)

(2)….The Jewish people are Nazi like. (the usual suspects statements)

(these are generalizations to teach and are not meant to be factual)

Truly, IMO, if you can’t understand how these two statements are fundamentally different we have nothing to discuss for I feel either you are being disingenuous or haven’t the background or maybe the education or maybe you have been indoctrinated by propaganda or there is some other reason you MAY have a problem with the concepts presented in the clarification I presented.

Rev A

 

delete dual post or a browser fart

 

Wrong for the fourth time next time you say that you WILL be reported. I defended a portion of the members statement not the entire thing, I even went on to say why I defended it. Why are you afraid to use the original quote? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1USE QUOTE TAGS WHEN YOU QUOTE ME!!!!! That way you will not be able to pervert my words as you have a habit of doing. I may report that anyway, in fact if you do not give me the post number where you erroneously think I said that and an apology (you have 12 hours) I WILL report that as a personal attack because you are REPEATEDLY after being notified REPEATEDLY that you are incorrect you continue to lie about what I said and meant. I have been very patient but you will not stop so I will attempt another method to stop you. If this thread is closed you can PM me your apology and post number, and I will display it on the next similar thread.

You have 12 hours to apologize and I would advise you stop making such toxic erroneous statements as above. Tick tick tick….


ADL decries Nazi comparisons
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/adl_decries_naz.html

Zionism is often Israel's worst enemy.[/quote]

Jawa Report
ADL decries Nazi comparisons
Boston Globe
A leading Jewish advocacy group today brought its influence to bear on the increasingly vitriolic healthcare debate. The Anti-Defamation League called the use of Nazi images by some opponents of healthcare overhaul “outrageous, deeply offensive and …
ADL Condemns Nazi Slurs in Health-Care Debate Washington Post


Health care ha ha ha...and this is an entirely different thing! You think that calling Hamas Nazi-like hurts the Jewish Nation? That is what is so silly! Get back on google and try again. What really hurts the Jewish people profoundly is to accuse them of being Nazi-like!!!!! Why cant you understand that? BTW and your answer just might answer my question; How old are you Judge? I forgot.

Rev A

 

Well, if you didn't support the Jew-hating Nazi comparison as you now want to claim, then why do your writings express strong support for it?

"many here that bash Israel are astonishingly reckless comparing the very same people that lost millions of their people to the murderous Nazi Reich of WW2"? So, you defended and honored the Jew-hating Nazi comparison while blaming the opposition for such, without relying on facts to back such worthless claims.

Ok, I'm very scared now, so attack the message instead of the the messenger. the message is:

ADL decries Nazi comparisons
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/adl_decries_naz.html

If you have a problem with that, then contact the ADL. Zionism is often Israel's worst enemy.

I am not your enemy. I'm just a messenger. The Anti-Defamation League is rather your actual enemy:

ADL Disturbed At Increasing Use Of Nazi/Holocaust Analogies In Response To Arizona Immigration Law
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5744_52.htm

The ADL believes that your strong reliance on Nazi comparisons terribly insults Jews. Thus, you must insult and condemn the ADL for opposing your position.

 

Personal attacks are always mindless. Attack the message, not the messenger. Is this really so difficult for Zionists to comprehend?

As far as I can tell, only Zionists here are comparing Semites with Nazis, and the ADL opposes such behavior. Why do you oppose the Anti-Defamation League? Because The Anti-Defamation League is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry. Thus, the ADL is naturally your enemy.

The problem is this bigoted pro-side crap. One should advocate human rights, not racist rights.

You support Jew-hating Nazi comparisons instead of opposing such. The ADL opposes Nazi comparisons and rightfully so. Your problem here is the ADL. That's your enemy:

“There is simply no comparison between followers of the Nazis, a fascist regime that perpetrated the slaughter of millions of Jews and others in the Holocaust, and followers of a democratic political movement in the United States,” Foxman said. “Such comparisons only serve to trivialize the Holocaust and are deeply offensive to Jews and other survivors, as well as those Americans who fought valiantly against the Nazis in World War II.”
http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/2010/10/25/adl-slams-rob-reiner-for-nazi-comparison/


Zionism is often Israel's worst enemy.

 

That may well be because the doctrine of Zionism is racist and founded upon ethnic cleansing . Bear in mind that here was no ' Israel ' prior to 1948 and that some 5 million Palestinian refugees and their families would like their homes back.

 

Not all of Zionism is racist. Abbas is a Palestinian Zionists who fights for a Palestinian homeland and there are some Israeli Zionists who want for Israeli Jews and Palestinians to live together equally and justly in a one or two-state solution.

Yet, much of the rest of Zionism has become the enemy of the Anti-Defamation League, which is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry. It is very realistic to argue that much of Zionism has become heavily anti-Semite.

 

From now on everytime 'you say I said' you are going to see this OTPWNASHCOQ (because you are either twisting my words by design or by accident) either case its wrong. So when you see this; OTPIWNASHCOQ it means 'quote tags please, I will not answer slanderous hearsay comments or questions (with out direct quotes ).

OTPIWNASHCOQ

OTPIWNASHCOQ

ADL decries Nazi comparisons
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/adl_decries_naz.html

I will break my rule because this is not slander but selective blindness

I did not say you were my enemy ie OTPIWNASHCOQ

ADL Disturbed At Increasing Use Of Nazi/Holocaust Analogies In Response To Arizona Immigration Law
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5744_52.htm

I have not read that yet, however the ADL does not speak for all Israelis and it is based in the USA based. Usually when the ADL is disturbed its not for making credible Analogies, no its when people make ridiculous claims such as the recent PETA equating meat eating with the holocaust. The only reason they decry those SPECIFIC ANALOGIES is because it WEAKENS the depravity of the Holocaust by comparing it to a far lesser evil. My analogies are not like that and they are always supporting Israel 100%. If you can not fathom that I have a section. I will allow you to select my replies where you claim I harm Israel and I will select YOUR REPLIES AND COMMENTS bashing Isreal. Then lets send them to the ADL or a similar group and see who is a friend of Israel or a FOE OF ISRAEL. The reply from the ADL should open your eyes for sure.

No wrong and its an example of your whacked logic. For starters I have not talked to the ADL. They do not dislike ALL analogies to Nazi only ones that DIMINISH the holocaust, Mine do not to prove it ; OTPWNASHCOQ.

Show quotes ie OTPWNASHCOQ

Rev A

 

The Judges 'hugging up' to the ADL convinced me to do a little research on the group. If he likes them there must be a problem or something I do not know about em', yep I became suspicious of the ADL ha ha! Not only becasue of TJ's endorsement but I had already heard grumblings in other places. I know that they are a legal group in the ilk of Amnesty International and are pro Israel in many cases but that is about it. !!!!UPDATE!!!! ; Oh yes I found a bit of dirt! Well its a pile but I will give the forum a bit of dust (the dirty laundry be aired out in a new thread).

I came across this report by a Israeli man that survived the holocaust and is telling the truth about the ADL on the web;



http://openshuhadastreet.org/?p=634

My family survived the pogroms of Eastern Europe and came to the US before the outbreak of WWII only to see many close relatives killed in the Holocaust. My grandparents took their profound grief and channeled it into creating a state they hoped would be safe for Jews and a light unto nations.

And it is because of their story that I’ve dedicated myself,like so many of you,to doing everything I can to push for a truly just peace for both Israelis and Palestinians that recognizes the full humanity of all peoples.

But to be told by the Anti-Defamation League,as we were last week when they named us one of the top-ten “anti-Israel”groups in the US,that this dream makes me anti-Israel and somehow less Jewish is beyond repugnant.

To the Anti-Defamation League:you do not speak for me,for my family,for our community.




Its nice not to have to endure lies of omission eh?

Rev A

 

HUH ?

 

The ADL does not speak for Israelis. The ADL is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

As such, the ADL is your worst enemy because the ADL opposes Jew-hating Nazi comparisons:

ADL Disturbed At Increasing Use Of Nazi/Holocaust Analogies In Response To Arizona Immigration Law
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5744_52.htm

 

The ADL is not perfect and it does not always follow its mission, but its mission makes it the enemy of Zionism. The problem is that one can't be pro-Zionism and anti-Bigotry at the same time, since both conflict with each other. Thus, the ADL has to decide if it is going to follow its mission, or if it is going to follow the racism of Zionism.

The ADL mission:

The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all." Now the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.
http://www.adl.org/about.asp?s=topmenu

The Zionist mission:

It is a great honor to insult Jews using Nazi comparisons, racial slurs, personal attacks and flamebating.


My advice for the ADL is that it follows its mission while distancing itself from Zionism, since it can't be both, as you recognized. The ADL is likely going to suffer from a major image crisis, if such is not the case already, which would lead to a change in its mission statement in favor of Zionist racism. Such would be a sad loss and defeat for all Jews.

 

Well if people are too stupid to understand the difference between a political movement and the population of a country I guess there's no hope.

 

10 pages later and same muslims over and over again babbling about " Zionist"

Lol, hey check it ... NO ONE CARES

 

Who is this 'Lol'? It is evident you don't care so why even bother to post? It is also evident you don't even understand what Zionism is.

 

You're right, I don't care about the babblings of Muslims, hippies and tin foil hat wearers...

Its not normal to babble about " Zionist" over and over.

 

The reason we 'babble...over and over' is because repetition seems the only way to get something simple to sink through the skulls of simpletons.

 

You've been babbling this over and over again for some time now. Thus, explain why you feel that babbling repetition best represents Zionist logic. Why can more Zionists not offer more than such primitive repetitions? Much of Zionism seems to be suffering from a major intelligence drain, which could explain why it appears to be drifting further into racism to the point where its insults are directed mainly against Jews. And, all of this simply due to the unlogical rejection of the nation of Palestine.

 

Okay. its Neo-zionists that you hate. Its the post-zionists that you like. Perhaps you should be more precise in using the term so we know who you really are talking about.

 

Ya think maybe its time they moved on?

Of that 5 million, I bet there ain't more than 200,000 still alive that actually lived in those homes. I don't know what makes them so special as the only "multi-generational" refugees in history. Maybe they should redefine what is acceptable and settle for some financial compensation and start building a new nation of palestine.

The problem with the refugee mentality is they are mired in the past.

 

/coughs.....Hmmmm...The "refugee mentality"....Quite!!

 

Moon doesn't hate Zionists. He/she just hates the fact that they often tend to hate Jews with their Nazi comparisons, apartheid practices, frequent calls for genocide, insults against Semites, personal attacks, racial slurs and flamebating.

It's a pity that you don't criticize these problems since such allows Zionism to continue to be Israel's greatest enemy. Nobody demands the destruction of Israel greater than the common Zionist, and you don't want to step in their way.

If more Zionists recognized and accepted the nation of Palestine while working with the ADL instead of against it, then Zionism would be a treasured and respected contribution to society.

 

One day something like that will happen, when it happens that would be wonderful.

Isaiah 11:6; The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.


Rev A