Parents Question Lethal Force on 8th-Grader With Pellet Gun

How about compassion for the officers who had to take him down? You think they enjoy the moment or something?

 

Do you have a link that he was in the principles office?

I find nothing that says that

"Police say Gonzalez randomly punched another student in the nose and was walking in a hall outside the school office when administrators saw he had a gun. Officers responded within minutes and on a recording of the emergency call can be heard shouting repeatedly for Gonzalez to drop the weapon."

Seems he was in the hallway and that is where the students heard the confrontatinon.

The call to the police was an student with a gun, branishing it.

Was he holding the principle hostage? If he had hostages and he refused to drop his weapon and you are saying the police should have done what based your your extensive experience in such situations?

 

I'm totally serious. If your child turns into a degenerate, it's your fault.

 

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"A recording of police radio traffic posted on KGBT-TV's website indicates that officers responding to the school believed the teen had a handgun. An officer is heard describing the teen's clothes and appearance, saying he's "holding a handgun, black in color." The officer also said that from the front door, he could see the boy in the school's main office.

 

I feel pity for people who don't understand how bullying and a lack of love from authority figures can cause a young person, and sometimes older people too, to do something really stupid. I would hope they are never in such a situation.

 

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Do you feel the same if the child smokes crack? At what age does it become the parent's fault?

Do you feel the same if a son decides he is a homosexual? At what age does it become the parent's fault?

Do you feel the same if a daughter decides to be a street ho? At what age does it become the parent's fault?

 

Was someone else in the school's main office. HAd they run off? WEre they just standing there.

A very unfortunate situation. Was the kid committing suicide by cop?

 

I suspect the boy enjoyed it less.

 

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That is why a counselor is so necessary in our middle schools, high schools and colleges. The results from bullying at school, lack of love from parents, lack of attention from teachers, and a thorough discipline in the schools is so important.

Kids have varying degrees of ability to work things out at these tender ages of middle school. They are mostly confused, trying to understand their surging hormones, and only as they acquire adulthood do they properly come to grips with abuses, bullying, perceived lack of parental love, which is hard for some parents to express.

Adulthood shows you how imperfect the world is on our journey thru life, but thru it all, we are all one in Jesus.

 

Yep. The cops did what they had to do it sounds like, so it's hard to completely fault them, based on the information in the OP anyway. But some of the poster's reactions on this thread are really disturbing me. If you bring a gun to school, you are in need of mental help. I completely agree schools should take a more proactive approach when it comes to recognizing psychological problems among students. I hate the way American society, even though many are on drugs to help with mental problems, seems to believe that mental issues are not "real" like physical issues.

 

Well the boy died, because of his choices, he could have put the gun down and been arrested, he decided to take another path...

Is this a gripe because your 'boobbies' don't carry guns?

 

It was an observation without a political or national agenda.

I doubt the issue would have arisen in a British school. Guns of all sorts (including air-rifles and low powered pellet guns) are so hard to obtain in our society, that it is unlikely a disturbed 15 year old would be able to get one.

The police acted too precipitously, but not being there, and not experiencing the urgency of the situation, I cannot entirely blame them. The British armed TRG might possibly have done the same thing if all negotiation failed, and someone was in clear danger.

But there is an extensive process of negotiation which is standard procedure when someone is armed and likely to cause harm to himself or others in a building. One element of which is to remove all other people from the vicinity. The other is to contact the person who is armed by any means available, and find out what he wants. Only when the public is in immediate danger, would they 'take out' the gunman.

As I said, I wasn't there, and it is easy to be wise in hind-sight, but if, within two minutes of arriving at the scene, the police shot a boy, who appeared to be armed, but was not overtly threatening anyone, dead - I consider them to have acted with undue haste.

But like the previous poster, I am more disturbed by the reactions of a number of posters in this thread. Expressing a sense of justice (even satisfaction in some cases) that a disturbed 15 year old boy has been shot dead is not what I would expect.

 

“He’s drawing the gun, he’s drawing the gun,” Brito-Hatcher tells the dispatcher.
You then hear the officers at the scene shout to Gonzalez: “Put it down, put it down … put the gun down. Put it on the floor.”
Someone else yells out, “He’s saying that he’s willing to die.”
Police continue to shout commands to Gonzalez ordering him to “drop it, drop it.” Again, Brito-Hatcher informs the dispatcher that the student is drawing the gun.
As the commotion continues in the background, Brito-Hatcher is heard saying in disbelief, “Oh gosh, there is a shooting going on. He’s running through the hall.”

http://www.themonitor.com/news/gun-5...de-school.html


From the 9-1-1 call.

 

Parents are responsible for raising their children and instilling them with values and work ethic. If they turn into a crack-smoking degenerate, then it's the parents' faults for not doing their job.

No one "decides" to become a homosexual.

Yes, parents are responsible for their children. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to grasp.

 

dont you get liberal mentality by now????

this boy causing trouble by slugging a kid in the face and then brandishing a weapon is not his fault or his parents fault, its somehow everyone elses fault. and the only persons fault that the lil jackass got shot is the police.

if your kid smokes crack its not your fault, its someone elses fault.

if your lil girl tries to become a prostitute its not her fault or your fault, everyone else is too blame.


dont you get it by now, in liberal fantasy land you are not resposnible for your own actions nor responsible for how you raise your children, everyone else is at fault for their wrong doings and you never have to take responsibility for anything wrong you do either.

its all great there in liberal fantasy world, where common sense and personal responsibility do not apply.

 

That's not the Principles office, but again it confirms they answered the call of someone with a gun.

 

And you know that was the case here because?

 

Try again

How about compassion for the officers who had to take him down? You think they enjoy the moment or something?

 

Great post. This sums it up perfectly. And what makes their argument so self-defeating is that if everybody is using this argument, then who is really to blame for anything? We just keep playing an endless game of "pass the blame."

 

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I improvised three scenarios, asking the question: "At what age does it become the parent's fault?" Can you answer it?

 

if you are not keeping a keen eye on your child while they are living under your roof and care and turn to things like crack and even prostitution then its your god (*)(*)(*)(*)ed fault for not doing the job required of being a parent.

being a parent comes with a huge responsibility, but then again i keep forgetting that word "responsibility" carries no meaning to left minded people.

 

we dont play that game, my kids will not be raised like a pathetic liberal so they grow up to be beggars of everyone elses money. no, my kids will strive to make good lives for themselves with their own sweat and hard work, not camping out in a park and doping up and destroying property and telling people they are to pay for their lifestyle.

 

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Reading many accounts of what happened there appears to be discrepancies in what actually happened, where the boy was etc. ie: one account has him running down the hall, stopping and looking at the police, then being shot dead. Another account has him in the principal's main office as seen by a policeman coming in the door of the school.

The discrepancies shouldn't be there; every motion by the boy and the police should add up to the actual shooting of the boy, which isn't happening in this instance. First he is in a classroom, then he is in the main principal's office, then he is running down halls before being shot dead.

It appears to me that Leo2 is correct when he says that the removal of all children from the building is the first step, followed by negotiation with the boy, and then removing him from the school. This incident, results, and information released do not appear to reflect what truly happened.

 

no what shouldnt have happened was the lil thug shouldnt have bashed a kid in the face the brandished a weapon. then he shouldnt have raised the weapon when the police had told him to put the gun down.

nobodies fault but the kid and the parents as well for not paying attention to their sons activities like they are supposed to. the kid obviously needed help, obviously being (*)(*)(*)(*)in 15 and still in 8th grade but apparently his parents didnt give a (*)(*)(*)(*) till he got his ass shot.

sad event, but nobodies fault but the childs and his parents.game over.

 

We have a variety of sources, with varying levels of reliability. Everyone knows that eyewitness accounts are very unreliable. It is normal for them to vary greatly.

I'm sure that the members of Internal Affairs, when they conduct their investigation will use some more reliable sources, such as camera footage, to determine exactly how well the officers acted.

Regardless, I feel sympathy for the officers who ended up shooting this kid. They will have to deal with it for the rest of their lives. Even though they acted as well as they could, they will probable blame themselves for this kid's death.