Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    Uhhhh....OK?

    Now....just to reiterate...I respect and support every single person's right to believe what Religion they desire or respect and support every persons right not to believe.

    As well....I respect and support every persons right to free speech and as this is a Topic specific to debate of Tough Questions Regarding Christianity....I feel I am without a doubt within my rights both as from a Freedom of Speech aspect as well as a person having the right to ask you some questions about the CONFLICTING LOGIC OF YOUR POST AND WHAT YOU HAVE QUOTED.

    As I posted earlier and what I posted is a DOCUMENTED AND PROVEN FACT....that being that we really have no proof to exactly WHAT were to original words and written texts known as Gospels of the Apostles since...as I have already posted....not one single original word or sentence written by the Apostles exists.

    EVERYTHING....that the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon CHOSE to be added into what would be known as the New Testament....as the members appointed by the Roman Emperors over several hundreds of years....were the men RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE NEW TESTAMENT.
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    The New Testament WAS CREATED BY MAN....the Gospels in the New Testament are only those of 4 APOSTLES....Matthew, Like, Mark and John and all other Gospels supposedly written by the other Apostles were CHOSEN by the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon NOT TO BE INCLUDED due to their conflicting messages with the Gospels of Matthew, Luke, Mark and John.

    But here is the thing and this is SIMPLY A FACT and I am NOT trying to to do anything other than PRESENT THE FACTS and let the chips fall where they may.

    We simply DO NOT KNOW AND HAVE ZERO PROOF....that ANY of the Gospels either included in the New Testament or NOT....are the original writings detailing the Life and Death and Teachings of Jesus.

    WHY....is it a fact we have no proof?

    The reasons are we DO NOT HAVE ANY ORIGINAL WRITTEN GOSPELS OR TEXTS as all Gospels we currently have are COPIES OF COPIES OF COPIES OF COPIES...ETC.

    The original Texts by all Apostles were destroyed long ago by the Roman's sent to root out and kill or perhaps bring to the Colosseum as the Romans were persecuting and killing as many Christians as they could find and any existing supposed Gospels of Matthew, Luke, John and Mark were destroyed long ago.

    In ALL CASES....these destroyed Texts of the Apostles were recreated by MEMORY of other Christians....and they also were persecuted and killed and their versions of the Apostles Gospels were destroyed....and this went on again and again....and thus Gospels had to continuously be recreated by MEMORY.

    Now if anyone has ever done this experiment where you get approx. 12 people in a line and one person at the end looks at a piece of paper with something written on it and then after looking at that paper with a few sentences written on it has the paper taken away from them and they must attempt to convey even a simple 2 sentences with a basic meaning that contain a total of perhaps 20 words with 2 sentences.

    So...each person must convey this 2 sentences and 20 words of information on to the next person standing right next to them and on this goes until it get's to the last person of all 12 people and then that person say's out loud what they understood the words and meanings of those 20 words in 2 sentences and it is ALWAYS completely DIFFERENT IN MEANING AND WORDS.

    Knowing this very Human of things and knowing this is basically what happened every time Christians had to rewrite what they THOUGHT was in the original Texts.....my question is.......

    .................HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY TRUST WHAT THE WORDS AND MEANINGS ARE AND HOW ACCURATE THEY ARE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY THE APOSTLES?

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  2. Mitt Ryan

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    God never screws up. It is people like you who screw up most of the time misinterpreting Scripture...what else is new...eh?

    And I don't see any where in Scripture where God describes Abraham as a "crazy old coot"... again it's you screwing up misinterpreting Scripture.
     
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  4. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    So you think a guy who spent his entire life banging his sister, robbing, killing, lying, sexually mutilating any guy he could get his hands on, engaging in adultery, and kicking his kid and the boy's mother out into the desert to die wasn't crazy? And the fool was going to kill his other son so that he could gain fame and fortune because some strangers told him to do it. A real god would have zapped the crazy old coot before he was even born. He makes the devil look like a wonderful guy.
     
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    When God screwed up making angels he should have given up the creation business.
     
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    Since camels weren't domesticated in the Israel area until 900 B.C. how did Abraham ride them before that time?
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    God never screws up, it's people like you who screw up misinterpreting Scripture.

    When God created humans is His image, it doesn't mean that God made an exact duplicate of Himself with all the attributes that He possesses such as being omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. That He has a physical body like ours, having eyes, ears, a nose, etc. Or as you falsely believe He made us evil because He is evil. The truth is God is holy and perfect, men are evil/sinful and imperfect.

    In His image means He created us to have a spirit like Him within our physical bodies. Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ tells us in the verse of John 4:24 NLT, "For God is Spirit, so those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth."

    Furthermore because we have a spirit like God, it means we don't cease to exist when we die our physical deaths, our bodies die but our spirit and soul remains. Animals when they die, they cease to exist because they do not have a spirit, for God did not create them in "His image", He created only humans in "His image".
     
  8. Mitt Ryan

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    Like I said, you're screwing up, you are still misinterpreting Scripture. This post of yours is further evidence of your misinterpretation issues...are you sure you're reading the Holy Bible?...lol
     
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    If God is spirit how did the Old Testament guys see him? And if God is spirit how can Jesus be God since he was a man?

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    So which parts do you question regarding Abraham's actions?
     
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    Well, it's too bad then you can't spend eternity here on earth with your trees, snakes, bugs, and birds. Life here on earth as we all know is temporary but the eternity is forever.

    Nobody is telling you or anyone else for that matter that you must agree with our belief. We are just answering questions pertaining to the Christian religion, if it's not for you fine, you are not going to see me begging you to believe. I am not here trying to make believers out of you atheists.

    Lastly, there is no such thing as a long list of things people need to do in order to become Christians and be saved.
     
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    Where have I said kangaroos lived near Noah's home? All I said was that the animals came to Noah and so who knows how far they had to travel...only God knows.

    And just because kangaroos are seen in Australia today, doesn't mean they lived there prior to the Great Flood some 7,000 yrs ago or so. For we know that not only do people migrate but so do animals. And so maybe they did live near Noah's home for all we know.
     
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    Actually....we DO know that the kangaroo did not live in the middle east 7000 yrs. ago...we also know that Australia has existed in its current form and position for millions or years, simply by examining aboriginal artifacts.

    The issue here is not that WE do not know this...the issue is simply that YOU do not.

    "An archaeologist says he has found the oldest piece of rock art in Australia and one of the oldest in the world: an Aboriginal work created 28,000 years ago in an outback cave.

    The dating of one of the thousands of images in the Northern Territory rock shelter, known as Nawarla Gabarnmang, will be published in the next edition of the Journal of Archaeological Science.

    The archaeologist Bryce Barker, from the University of Southern Queensland, said he found the rock in June last year but had only recently had it dated at the radiocarbon laboratory of New Zealand's University of Waikato.

    He said the rock art had been made using charcoal, so radiocarbon dating could be used to determine its age; most rock art is made with mineral paint, so its age cannot accurately be measured.

    Barker said the work was "the oldest unequivocally dated rock art in Australia" and among the oldest in the world.

    The oldest known rock art is in Spain, where hand stencils and red discs made by blowing paint on to the wall in El Castillo cave are at least 40,800 years old, according to scientists using a technique known as uranium-thorium dating.

    Sally May, an archeologist from the Australian National University who is not involved with Barker's research, said his find was "incredibly significant".

    "I don't think it will surprise anyone that rock art is that old in Australia because we know people have been here a lot longer than that, and there's no reason to believe they weren't producing art," she said.

    Barker said he had found evidence that the cave where he found the rock art had been occupied for 45,000 years."
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/18/rock-australia-art
     
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    Hilarious you completely disagree with me then prove me correct in the same sentence by admitting god killed innocent babies and children. So, your god couldn't figure out how to kill only the evil people? Surely an all knowing all powerful being could have figured out something as simple as that? Be default if he knew people were evil then he also knew which ones were evil. More striking contradiction from your lips not mine.
    Only an evil being would knowingly kill innocent children in order to punish other evil beings. Seems to me his act of killing a planet of innocent children is the ultimate recorded act of evil in human history recorded in your scripture. Does it make sense to you that an all knowing being so angry with evil would then solve that problem by an even higher level of evil. Also, statistically it is impossible for all of the adults to have been evil. If everyone was evil they would have killed each other off until no one was left and humans would have failed all on their own. Its good though that gods solution to cure evil was even more evil. LOL Im positive if you gave me all power even I could have figured out a better solution in under 5 minutes. One solution being waving my hand and making evil people no longer evil. Your story is flawed because it was written by cavemen who weren't able to understand simple concepts like their own contradictions. Much like all men are created equal....except for women, they cant vote for pope or make any important decisions in the church...lol still no explanation as to why.
     
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    STRAWMAN ARGUMENT! POST IGNORED No where did I ever say in gods image meant omnipotent or an exact duplicate of himself. Stop deceiving people in order to make your argument. Its evil.
     
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    Yes there is a list. Theres even a word for it. Its called a "litany" list. Its how your faith brainwashes members of its congregation by tediously repeating a list of things to them over and over and over and over.
    Also, you have made another STRAWMAN! More deceit from a religious person. I have repeatedly informed you I am not an atheist and I have also stated my position repeatedly.
    I find it hilarious you cant even state which religion (denomination) is the correct one. LOL are muslims going to hell according to you? What about Jews? What about....Mormons? Im still waiting for you to answer that softball question much less the tough ones like ass rape of children and whether or not those priests go to hell according to you as opposed to the eternal damnation if you don't accept your version of god. Still trying to think of something to say on that? I could answer your position better than you can. You should get help from your congregation to argue against me. Perhaps a women maybe? Also what is the punishment for being homosexual according to your scripture?
    Also, eternity cant be forever since your scripture started off with "in the beginning". More glaring contradiction.
     
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    Check the subtext on that...and see if Mitt isn't comparing himself to God.
     
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    So kangaroos....and platypi.....and Tasmanian devils.....and orangutans....and polar bears....and penguins.....and Arctic wolves....and American bison....and beavers.....and Gila monsters....and capybaras....and jaguars.....and all the other animals that inhabit Asia and North and South America....in extremes of different temperatures (arctic to tropical/rainforest)....

    were all living in Mesopotamia 7000 years ago? And yet....NOT ONE skeleton of them has been found in Iraq or Jordan or Iran or Kuwait?!?!?!?
     
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    Bearing false witness and making up stories is a good reason to believe he will be in the eternal fire pit with most of humanity.
     
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    Wanren is supposedly asian. Non christian ethnicity.
    He is here to make christianity look ignorant. That is his only job. To many are falling for it.
     
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    So A&E with satan tricked God and changed his design? The OMNI all God? How is that possible?
     
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    Ive heard it said Satan loves getting the religious hypocrites most of all!!!! Luckily for Mit there is no hell either.
     
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    BS, Baloney, Hogwash.
    Are you saying Far eastern countries, native american, and atheists just sit back and do nothing about world issues.
    Are you serious? LOL. LOL.

    No cancer research. No ridding of small pox. No doctors, vaccines, medicines. Are you serious? Just sit back and take it? Are you serious? LOL.
     
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    An admittance that God killed innocents.
     
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    Where are you getting this time frame for the flood? Source please.
     
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