Part 24 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Nope as usual you get all wrong. You are nothing but smug, arrogant, and try to be cocky. Not how a christian would act. Only a claimed christian who doesn't follow the words of jesus. Not all christians, I never said all. Just you in this thread.

 

This is getting good. There's the 1,500 mile sided bejeweled golden cube sitting on a waterless planet that never gets dark anywhere. The cube is surrounded by a high wall. The wall has twelve gates that are always open. Outside of the walls there's a lake of fire where all of the bad souls have been thrown into. The lake of fire is always burning and the golden cube is always sweltering from the constant light and heat from the lake's fire. But it's all good because it's heaven.

That writer was on some powerful drugs or he was totally insane.

 

Isaiah 60:19-20

Isaiah 60: Various verses

I can give you many Tanakh references that are used in Revelations. It is not original.

 

Exactly! Good post WR! I suppose trevor thinks supposition means definite, in his mind as well as other non-believers they believe S & G never existed but yet there is absolutely no proof that is definitely true, actually there is evidence and proof S & G existed and so that refutes what they believe to be true. See link below:

http://www.icr.org/article/have-sodom-gomorrah-been-discovered/

 

Why must you, as a non believer, always put down christians?

 

But c'mon it's rather obvious that you being a non-believer believes that S & G never existed. So you don't have to explicitly say it, for it is understood by us believers that non-believers such as yourself do not believe S & G ever existed, nor do you believe any of the other biblical stories written in Scripture for that matter.

If you believe S & G existed then why are you debating with WR over the topic? It wouldn't make sense for you to believe it since you're a non-believer.

As far as I know the only sources that makes mention of the cities of S & G are in the Book of Genesis and throughout the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament and in deuterocanonical sources, as well as in the Qur'an.

And so because we already know you're an agnostic it follows that you don't subscibe to any of those sources I mentioned, thus you don't believe S & G ever existed.

Am I making any sense here?...lol

Oh so now you have to resort to disparaging his grammar?...that's typical of what someone does when they are losing an argument.

 

How so? Could it be possible that you are the one who is severely mistaken, confused, misinformed. And totally wrong in your view of what WR has posted?

 

Correction made in post #631:

And so because we already know you're an agnostic it follows that you don't subscribe to any of those sources I mentioned, thus you don't believe S & G ever existed.

 

Nope. You and wanren are the only 2 to believe there was world wide cannibalism of all the children, babies, and fetuses. So no doubt you are certainly the mistaken, confused, and certainly misinformed. Unless you can somehow show us all this world wide cannibalism.

So as an unbeliever in actual biblical stuff, you have to make up things.

 

Revelation 21: 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

That is your opinion which is totally wrong there was no city dump unless you are discriminating against the people outside of the walls of Jerusalem? Remember people inside Jerusalem were not all Jews same thing people outside of Jerusalem were not all gentiles. Just like why all walls are build it is for protection against invasion in the case of the New Jerusalem the gates will remain open all the time because on that day all nations or human kind will be united and living in harmony no longer will evil be able to tempt human kind for they will be separated permanently.

 

No doubt the Tanakh and the Bible has many similarities in Revelations this is because the Bible accept the Tanakh which is the Old Testament while Judaism only has the Tanakh no New Testament but most of all Judaism has a total different interpretation of Revelation the Jews believe that their nation will be the ultimate ruler of the world where all nations and human races will submit to their rule it is about them their rule and law not about God. The Christian interpretation of Revelation is about God about humanity uniting under God.

Remember in Judaism they interpreted the destruction of the 12 tribes was due to them corrupting God's message. The remaining two tribes Judah and Benjamin and "sub tribe" Levi continued the corruption and they openly display their rejection of God with their rejection of Jesus Christ. The 10 tribes that were dispersed in 700 BC they would integrate with other races that were all descendants of Noah and many of them would accept Jesus Christ while the Pharisees have not.

 

Are you a Christian? I thought you are like the rest an atheist or agnostic?
If you are a Christian do you worship Jesus Christ?

 

It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt every scholars and scientist know and agree that cannibalism existed and the Bible clearly describe just how evil the people have become. They also agree just how wicked and savaged ancient world was.

Genesis 6: 5 The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

 

And it STAYED 'wicked and savage' after the flood. We only stopped being total barbarians in the past 200 or so years. Coincidentally at the same time as we started to ignore god. So that was the most pointless flood ever

 

How so? Could it be possible that you are the one who is severely mistaken, confused, misinformed. And totally wrong in your view of what WR has posted?

Are you speaking on behalf of all English speaking Americans or is it really just for yourself? I'm an English speaking American and I have no trouble in understanding postings made by WR on these threads. So then could it possibly be there exists an issue with your comprehension skills?

So if you can't understand what WR has posted, how are you able to respond to him by saying, "You are severely mistaken, confused, misinformed. And totally wrong in the post?"

I mean if you can't understand his English at all, then shouldn't you have responded by saying something like, "Sorry WanRen but because I just can't understand you at all, I just can't respond to what you've said?"

If WR had said something like this, "metapo boto metinta sokopopo tusimanto sinto" then it would have been appropriate for you to say, "Nothing you post is resembling English that Americans can understand."

 

The city dump was outside the walls and it was called gehenna........Its where they burned the trash.

Outside the walls could also be a metaphor for outside the safety of the community of God's people.

 

No I don't. And if you read what I said with understanding you would know that. I have said, and I say it again there are 5 cities I have known about for decades. There is no definite proof that 2 are Sodom and Gomorrah, only supposition. Because one person 'identifies' something means little until the scientific community agree. If these were Sodom and Gomorrah then the Bible is perhaps wrong. These cities have been 'identified' by means of pottery etc as being destroyed 600 years before the supposed story of Lot. And yes, you can date things by the type of pottery etc found. Archaeologists do it all the time.

 

Pure supposition on your part. Forget about S & G. Talk about 5 cities. There are 5 cities we've known about for decades. This I've always admitted since I started studying decades ago. As I said in another post they have been 'identified' by your Christian website, naturally enough. Until we have a general concensus then it is not 'definite'. And that leaves the problem of them being destroyed long before Lot's time.

Grammar. If WarRen learnt English grammar we would perhaps understand more clearly what he is saying. And I didn't know we were having an arguement. I thought this was a discussion.

 

This is total nonsense. Revelations is an almost total mixture of Scriptures from the Tanakh. Of course the Jews have their own interpretation. It's their scriptures being used.
The Jews never expected or expect to rule the world. Don't confuse Zionism with Judaism.

The first paragraph is confusing. First you mention the destruction of the 12 tribes. Then the remaining tribes of Judah and Benjamin and 'sub tribe' of Levi. Does that mean there were 15 tribes?
There were 13 tribes - Levi WAS NOT A 'SUBTRIBE'.

that were all descendants of Noah and many of them would accept Jesus Christ while the Pharisees have not.[/QUOTE]

Well, well. The all-knowing WarRen. No-one knows where these tribes were scattered, and Jesus was 700 years in the future.

 

metapo boto metinta sokopopo tusimanto sinto
(Neanderthal) translated into American English 'I wish I knew how to post - to be grammatically correct.'
You're a linguist Mitt!

 

A point no christian or jew or muslim will address with a 1000' pole.

What was the purpose of the flood? To rid the earth of wicked and evil?
Why leave sinful man on earth to repopulate? Crickets.
Didn't God know leaving sinful man on earth to repopulate would only create more wicked and evil later on? Crickets.

 

Whats going on here? Wanren is responding to your posts. You're here responding to posts to wanren that are over a year old?

What happened to you responding to questions about christianity? What does my response to wanren about his poor english skills have to do with christianity? Why don't you catch up with you responses before belittling every poster on here that has asked a question?

 

Seems to be quite taken back by folks questioning wanrens very very poor english skills. It has sidetracked his goals. Going OT in his own thread.

 

Before the flood it was just Noah and his family that were not wicked and evil 99% of the population was wicked and evil after the flood that number has reversed itself all the wicked and evil people were wiped out and the subsequent generation from Noah's children that will forget about God and start to revert back to being evil and wicked will no longer have the advantage because the number of good people has increased thus preventing a total take over by the wicked and evil people of this planet just like before the flooding. The flooding gave the few good people a fighting chance and that chance has mushroomed into great nations thanks to God.

 

It still won't change the fact that in the end it will be God's law not men's law that will prevail and that all humanity are children of God not just the Jews.

Revelation 21: 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.