Part 36 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Johnny Brady

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    Look at it another way- the bottom line is that a Christian is simply somebody who likes Jesus!
    I like him for urging people to rebel against the establishment and think for themselves, and they quickly cottoned on-
    "Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18 )
    He's therefore a role model for us all and I'd like to ask atheists whose side they're on, his or the priests?...:)

    JC in action-
    "You're full of filth and corruption......you're the offspring of vipers"
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    Good for you mate, keep it up and you'll soon have a new chum..:)
    Jesus said:- "You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends...
    Everyone on the side of truth listens to me” (John 15:15, John 18:37)

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  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    So, as I said, how dead atoms become alive is a mystery.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

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    The irony here is that you are guilty of bearing false witness by making that spurious statement knowing full well it is untrue. You know my Bible doesn't contain any errors.

    Well bearing false witness such as you have is a sin. But what is even worse than bearing false witness is the sin of not believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior. That sin is not pardonable while all other sins are.

    That's why believers of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ will be saved and non-believers will not be saved. Believers will go to heaven to live in God's paradise with Him for all eternity, while non-believers will be separated from God for all eternity and sent to hell.

    But let's be very clear here, where ever you end up in your eternal destiny it was your choice to be there.

    We read in Scripture:

    "And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment." ---John 3:36 NLT

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." ---Matthew 7:13-14 NLT
     
  5. Mitt Ryan

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    These multiple existing nations you speak of had to have had evolved much later after the Great Flood. Let's not forget there were only 8 people remaining after the Great Flood.

    If there were any existing nations prior to the Great Flood they got wiped out during the Great Flood and so there is absolutely no evidence of their existence.
     
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    Not its not. As I said, it's a matter of scale.
     
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    Nope. You admitted your bible you use to quote things in this forum is out of print.
    It had errors in it, that's why they have a revised version.
     
  8. Mitt Ryan

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    Sorry to say but nobody can prove/disprove the existence of Almighty God, not even our beloved science can do that. God wants us to come to Him through faith and so up until the day you die you won't get the proof you seek.

    So why hasn't science given us a thorough explanation of how the universe and everything in it came to be? Well it's because they just can't, all they have are theories, theories that essentially can't be proven one way or the other.

    For a long time scientists believed that the universe was eternal, it always existed, it never had a beginning. Well our ancient ancestors told us several thousands of years ago the universe had a beginning, and only now our beloved scientists agree with our ancient ancestors that indeed the universe had a beginning, so it took science several thousands of years to catch up to what our ancient ancestors had told us all along that the universe had a beginning. The universe having a beginning means it is not eternal and so consequently it had a cause. So the question is, what caused the universe to come into existence?

    We read in Scripture:

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." ---Genesis 1:1 NLT

    So you believe it was just a lucky guess that they knew the universe had a beginning? Well the reason they knew is because God revealed that knowledge to them.

    We have made tremendous advances but still we don't know all there is to know. As a matter of fact we will never know 100% of all knowledge there is to know. Only Almighty God the Creator knows all knowledge, after all He is omniscient.

    What do you think the Holy Bible is an evolving Book where things continually get added to it? Or are you waiting for the sequel Part 2 of the Holy Bible to get this scientific evidence you seek? Don't hold your breath, cause you won't be getting it, the writings of the Holy Bible is done, it's a completed Book with no sequels to follow.

    The Holy Bible is God's revelation to mankind, it is the Word of God. Through the Bible, God makes it clear that He loves us and has a plan to save us from the destructive power of sin.

    We read in Scripture:

    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

    I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” ---Revelation 21:1-4 NLT
     
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    The real Irony is that you are making false witness by making spurious statements that the Bible has no errors. You have been shown many errors but refuse to accept them.
     
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    It didn't wipe out the Egyptians or Chinese or Arabians or the cities of Anatolia .
     
  11. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Ethiopia, Assyria, Arabia, and Persia all existed before the flood and they didn't even get their toes wet in Noah's flood.

    Noah's flood is simply a war story. It has nothing to do with a flood of water.
     
  12. Mitt Ryan

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    Well of course there were no catastrophic genocidal floods in Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, and Babylonian histories because all those civilizations came into existence after the Great Flood. Let's not forget there were only 8 human beings who survived the Great Flood and so it took some time to get the earth re-populated again. It was only after the earth re-populated itself from the 8 that these civilizations begin to emerge.

    I'm not trying to prove anything, I am just expressing my belief, furthermore it is just your opinion/belief that the Great Flood is a myth. You have no conclusive evidence to prove anything. You don't want to believe the Great Flood historical event then so be it.

    We read in Scripture:

    "For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth. As the waters rose higher and higher above the ground, the boat floated safely on the surface. Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks. All the living things on earth died—birds, domestic animals, wild animals, small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people. Everything that breathed and lived on dry land died. God wiped out every living thing on the earth—people, livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and the birds of the sky. All were destroyed. The only people who survived were Noah and those with him in the boat. And the floodwaters covered the earth for 150 days." ---Genesis 7:17-24 NLT
     
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    Jesus! The world is 5,777 years old. Those places are only a few hundred years old.
     
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    Adaptation of passages from Isaiah applicable to Israel.
     
  15. Margot2

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    All those civilizations are older than Noah's flood.
     
  16. Jonsa

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    Forgive me if I point out that archeology, anthropology, geology, biochemistry, genetics, history, and a few other professional scientific and academic disciplines clearly demonstrate the absolute absurdity of your statement.

    But I can understand why such a facile explanation goes over pretty well with some on sundays.
     
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    There isn't enough water in every form to cover the earth in a Noah's type flood.. That's a scientific fact. And if you knew anything about Hydrology you would see that such a flood never happened.
     
  18. Mitt Ryan

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    Likewise forgive me if I point out that there are many extra-biblical evidences that point to a worldwide catastrophe such as a global flood.
    On mountain tops around the world there are oceanic fossils found. On every continent we find vast fossil graveyards and large amounts of coal deposits that would require the rapid covering of vast quantities of vegetation. There are some form of flood legend in cultures in all parts of the world. All of these facts and many others are evidence of a global flood.

    But I can understand why critics of the Holy Bible try in vain to discredit it , for they hate for an all powerful, all knowing Almighty God the Creator to exist, they feel if they can somehow discredit the Holy Bible that would mean He doesn't exist. There are a myriad of reasons why they don't want Him to exist but that's up for discussion at a later time.

    In the meantime their attempts to discredit the Holy Bible are futile and to no avail.

    We read in Scripture:

    "Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good." ---Psalm 14:1 NLT

    "They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God."---Romans 1:19-20 NLT
     
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    I would like to be able to admire such instansigent faith, but it just doesn't seem to be within me. I guess I'll just have to accept respecting your right to your opinion no matter how removed from reality I may think it to be.
     
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    This one just makes it up as he goes along.
     
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    Imagine being on planet Earth in a wooden boat in a rain storm that's dropping 6 inches of rain per minute for 57,600 minutes. Now calculate the cubic miles of water. Multiply that answer by the weight of 1 cubic mile of water = 9,185,152,204,800 pounds. That astronomical number will be the weight of all of that rainfall water added to the original weight of the Earth.

    So not only would the fragile wooden boat have to survive the continuous hard pounding of 6 inches of water for 57,600 minutes the people and animals would have to survive the noise and suffocation caused by air displacement by the deluge.

    The end result is that the Earth would be a giant water ball with a major, major, major change in climate and weather patterns.

    The Noah flood story isn't even a credible fairy tale like Jack and the Beanstalk or Humpty Dumpty.
     
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    We all have faith AA, believers as well an non-believers but of course not of the same kind.

    My faith tells me that someday when I leave this earth and pass on I will reside in paradise in God's Kingdom of Heaven and live-happily-ever-after for all eternity with our Lord and all others who are saved.

    Tell me, what does your faith in Scientific Methodology dictated reality tells you about what happens to you when you leave this earth and pass on?

    We read in Scripture:

    Parable of the Wheat and Weeds Explained

    Then, leaving the crowds outside, Jesus went into the house. His disciples said, “Please explain to us the story of the weeds in the field.”

    Jesus replied, “The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed. The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil. The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.

    “Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s Kingdom. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!
    ---Matthew 13:36-43 NLT

    Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl

    “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure that a man discovered hidden in a field. In his excitement, he hid it again and sold everything he owned to get enough money to buy the field.

    “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a merchant on the lookout for choice pearls. When he discovered a pearl of great value, he sold everything he owned and bought it!
    ---Matthew 13:44-46 NLT
     
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    According to the book of Genesis there was a canopy of water that floated over the sky. This is described in Genesis chapter 1 6-8. There are multiple versions of the story here.

    At Genesis 9:13 God tells Noah that the rainbow would be his covenant that he would never wipe the earth out with water again. Presumably this is the first time the rainbow is seen since previously there was a canopy of water between the earth and the sun.

    There is zero evidence that earth was ever in this condition. It is unlikely that anyone would survive such a cataclysm or the effects of the drastic climate change that would occur under these circumstances. It is unlikely that life could exist under a water canopy like that if that such a large amount of water would float over the earth like that.
     
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    How does the weight of the earth alter? The water is on the earth anyway. The rain will have come from the ocean to start with, and return to the ocean.

    However, the story is nonsense, I agree.
     
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