Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. trevorw2539

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    Forget it. You obviously have no understanding of real life. In my 84 years I've seen it and shared it with these people. You live in your own world and believe in fancy stories because it is written in a book and you had an 'experience'. On the BBC news a few days ago a reporter was reporting on a Ramadan service and talking afterwards to Moslems. One man said that during the service he had been lifted up into heaven and was elated at his experience. He really believed it. Out-of-the body 'experiences' - near death experiences - all supposedly occur. Identical twins, often miles apart, know what each other is thinking. The mind is a wonderful thing - not yet fully understood.
     
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    Everyone speaks for themselves.
     
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    "Human beings aren't animals."

    OK, humans must be rocks or weeds.
     
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    You do know that in the biblical fairytale, as well as the Jewish Babylonian Talmud, that only Jews are considered humans and men. Gentiles are beasts, like dogs, swine, snakes, donkeys, etc.
     
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    Yes, the natural man, which is an enemy to God, is animalistic in spirit. And a Jew can be such a man. That's why Jesus told the Jews that their lineage to/from Abraham does not make them righteous.
     
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    Human beings are human beings. Animals are animals. That's the baseline, deviations aside.
     
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    Where do you find their lineage/genealogy from to/from Abraham? Not in the Bible. The lineage in the Bible jumps about 300 years with no reference to the period when they were in Egypt. Matthew jumps about 6-10 generations - depending on the years in a generation. Even Judaism has no answer to the gap. Just various ideas from different sources. There's simply a gap between Genesis and Exodus that cannot be filled except with fairy tales.

    Animalistic in spirit? Do animals have spirits? Man is an animal who has yet to evolve past many animal instincts that remain. And has many instincts shared with most of nature. To eat, drink, breath, breed etc. Even plants have those instincts. Man has simply evolved along a different path.
     
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    Sorry, it was John and not Jesus who told the listeners that their lineage to Abraham didn't qualify them. But my point to Gawd is the same, that whether Jew or Gentile, all are called to repentance and baptism.

    As for our natures, I've hunted and fished my entire life. People and animals are not the same. People are accountable to higher matters. That's why God was born. And that's why he was born a man and not a species of animal.
     
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    Abraham is the most despicable major character in the Bible. There is nothing righteous about the scum-sucker.
     
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    Pretty strong words for someone you don't know and never even met. Just the fact that God made a covenant with him to bless mankind thru him, should inspire at least a measure of respect, if not awe.
     
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    So caveman was accountable to God - 30,000 - 50,000 - 100,000 years ago?
    Man 'created' God.
     
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    What God made a covenant with Abraham ? What is the name of this God and why do you not worship this God - Forsaking the Supreme one for another God ?
    Injeun is confused .. The God of the Caveman was is not the God he worships .. not the same

    Um .. the point is that Your God is not the Same God as the God of Abraham.
     
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    Abraham is a character in a book. There's no evidence he actually lived. On the other hand A.A.Milne's Toad actually lived in a hole in the river near me. Quite a character.
     
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    Regardless the multitude of men's philosophies, opinions, surmising's, theories, imaginations, conclusions, constructions of reason, studies, research, interpretations, religions, traditions, and beliefs. There is and can only be one true living God and creator of mankind. I know that he lives because he sent his spirit to know me and to awaken me to a remembrance of his spirit and divinity. So by his knowledge of me and momentary dwelling within me, I know him or have been brought to a recollection of his divine nature and existence. I have found God, or he me while in my little life. I am reconciled to this fact. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I didn't learn of God that I should repeat or parrot it. I remembered him because he allowed it. And so I say it. My regret is that the Patriarchs are no longer with us to verify my simple words. Or that I was not born to them then to stay behind their hand and cloak, and squeak out my little words to their pleasing.
     
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    Thats not the point - The point is that the Character in this book is worshiping a God named Enlil -- The Creator God - The "Most High "God along with the Priest-King of Jerusalem- who is a priest of this God .. a Priest of the Most High God and King of Jerusalem.

    This God being worshiped is not YHWH ..nor is this the God that Injeun worships

    Good that you finally found out the identity of the God of Abraham .. and have Chosen to worship Enlil .. Chief of the Divine Pantheon .

    Good that you no longer worship YHWH --- The detestable Child Sacrifice God of Judah.
     
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    If you had been born in their time you would have spent your life in a fruitless search for Abraham and the Patriarchs. Nothing has been found of them in the history of the time. In fact that history indicates that the Bible story is a fiction story.
     
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    God didn't create the earth from nothing. He used what already existed. So who knows what remained from a previous purpose or use.
     
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    Philosophically there may be a difference between human and animal. Biologically? None.
    Biologically man came from animals.
     
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    God lives right now, but you don't know it. So why should I trust that you know of things from thousands of years ago.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Again, Almighty God can do no wrong for He is perfectly righteous. He gave each and every one of us including His created angels the gift of free will. What we do with that free will is up to us. He does not interfere with a person's free will, which is the ability to do what is right or what is wrong.

    If He interfered with our free will then we'd all be His programmed puppets doing His will. How could God love puppets who are not free agents.

    So, we are His free will agents. We can choose to do what is evil or righteous, we can choose to believe in God and love Him or not believe in God and thus not love Him.

    The choice is ours to make and that's why there is all this suffering in the world, which is really being in disobedience of living the righteous way in the way that God wants us to live, and so the blame falls on us, the human race.

    And so Almighty God is keeping with His divine plan and not making us His programmed puppets.

    So someday, when a person finds his/herself in heaven or hell, they will know it was their choice to be there.

    We Read in Scripture:

    The Narrow Door


    22 Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he went, always pressing on toward Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”

    He replied, 24 “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. 25 When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’
    28 “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. 29 And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. 30 And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.[a] Luke 13:22-30 NLT

    Footnotes
    a. 13:30 Greek Some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.

    Ok thanks Gawd for your post.
     
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    You have no idea what God can or Can not Do -- why are you pretending to know things about God that you do not ? Is this what you were taught by the deceivers over at "GotQuestions"?

    You say the Bible is 100% Gods Word - but now you tell us that Gods word is false.. that God told us a lie when he said that Creating you was a mistake .. that God regretted creating you ... every inclination and thoughts only evil all of the time .. As we read in Scripture Brother Mitt .. Genesis 6 : 6) The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

    Sorry Brother Mitt -- Your God thinks you are a Mistake - only evil all of the time - regrets your creation. This does not make God a liar as you claim .. clearly God did do something wrong .. by his own admission .. why are you now claiming that God is a Liar .. as obviously if God could do nothing wrong .. he never would have created YOU.

    Looks like that is one thing you and Brother Mitt now agree on .. Mitt thinks the story in Genesis 6 is fiction as well - doesn't believe he was an error .. does not believe he is this wicked - "Evil all the time" individual that God claims..

    Now now Brother Todd .. why are you going off on Trevor like this when it is you who has been decieved by Brother Mitt - putting words in God's mouth that he did not speak .. usurping the position of the Logos .. pretending to speak for God .. contradicting the word of the Lord in the Bible .. making false claims on behalf of the Most High

    As we read in Scripture - look not outside for the Devil Brother Todd -- but within !
     
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    Mitt. The idea of original sin - that man is born in sin because of Adam - did not appear until St Augustine proclaim it. 4-5th century CE.
     
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    Chimp DNA is 98.8 percent identical to humans.

    https://www.broadinstitute.org/news...reveals-striking-similarities-and-differences
     
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    The discovery of DNA and DNA sequencing should have totally superseded mythology. Sad that it did not.
     
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