Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Dirty Rotten Imbecile

    Dirty Rotten Imbecile Well-Known Member

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    Yea but he didn't sacrifice his life. He returned to his original form and to greater exaltation. I don't see that he gave up anything.
     
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    Now that is not a nice thing to say Brother Todd - calling your Brother a Satan worshiper. And how is it that you are now referring to YHWH as Satan ? It was YHWH who was the xenophobic "mass murdering" flip flopping irrational actor in the story - the one with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.. .. why are you saying this was Satan ?
     
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    I think he's saying that to fault God is Satanic. It stands to reason that God can do no wrong and be God. From my perspective, if the Bible makes no sense to me in its presentation of fact and judgment, I consider the blindness to be mine, and not that of God. So I suspend judgment. I had rather eat dust than presume to exalt myself above God. But it is better to dwell in peace under Gods favor.
     
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    In other words, no matter how batsh*t crazy the Bible is, how scientifically or historically inaccurate it is you're still going to treat it as some kind of divine text that is the ultimate source of wisdom.
     
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    You said that, I didn't. I'm not foolish enough to throw away basic math just because I don't understand advanced math. And no, the Bible isn't the ultimate source of wisdom. God is.
     
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    Math =/= the Bible
     
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    And God "reveals" his wisdom through the Bible.

    The same book that tells us that the universe was created in six days and that there was day and night existed before the sun (Hell, that the EARTH existed before the sun)
     
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    I don't know what you are getting at. But the Bible is not God. Neither is it his only means of communication or interaction with people.
     
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    It was the only example I could think of to show that I don't discard the whole Bible just because I don't understand parts of it.
     
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  10. Mitt Ryan

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    Didn't say that was a ludicrous question, Willreadmore will you read more carefully my previous post where I refer to the question that Gawd had asked that I said it was nonsensical it's ludicrous then comeback and apologize to me for your mistake?

    Thanks, Will for your post, I was just kidding you don't need to comeback and apologize to me just realize your mistake that's all my friend...thanks!
     
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    Sorry but you're wrong dairy.

    Of course, we can say satan killed all things, because that lousy bum was the one that coerced our first parents to sin and disobey Almighty God in the first place and so sin entered into the world. And so that's why we are all destined to die, let's not forget the wages of sin is death. Almighty God punished those people during the time of Noah because of their depravity, their wickedness, their sins. It's all there written in the Holy Bible in the Book of Genesis. I suggest you read the entire Book of Genesis very carefully and astutely then perhaps you will realize your mistake and retract your statement.

    Ok thanks dairy for your post.
     
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    The Serpent in the Garden of Eden and its Background
    The serpent in the Garden of Eden is popularly equated with the Devil. However, modern scholars agree that this was a later identification and not the original meaning, but there is no consensus as to what the original background of the serpent was. This brief article critiques a number of the proposals that have been made and suggests a possible background for the serpent. More generally it also discusses other questions of interpretation that have arisen in connection with the serpent in Genesis 3, in particular the suggestion that the serpent should be viewed more positively than has been customary and questions associated with the so-called Protoevangelium in Genesis 3:15.
    https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/articles/2015/04/day398028

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    Judaism has not devil. That's a fake story invented by Christians.

    What entity killed all creatures on earth but for ark inhabitants?
    Surely everyone knows who made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
     
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    Doesn't it say something like every thought and imagination in their hearts was wicked? That's pretty bad. And of course if God said it, it must be true. Either that or it never happened. A lot of people who fault God for his actions probably intuit that they would fall into the same category as those who perished. So they are really just trying to justify their own wickedness. And calling God bad names is a giveaway to that, like a confession without shame. People really should check their attitude at the door in matters involving God. Even men wipe their feet or remove their shoes before entering their homes. So talk of God should require at least that much respect.
     
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    Any other method is unverifiable. It is a claim from someone that they were "told" by God.

    No different than when the Son of Sam killer told people he was told by his dog to kill people.
     
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    I will never understand why a God who theoretically reflects so many of our best attributes, and who understands us so well inspired such a dry humorless series of books. Everyone knows that a story with a laugh is often the most memorable way to teach a lesson, except the authors and editors of this tome. There are biblical references to laughter in both a positive and negative light, but not one laugh out loud moment in 66 books and 783,137 words of the King James Bible that I am aware of. I am not looking for Don Rickles or Dave Chapelle here but, clerics have used humor in their sermons and lessons for eons. But no funny stories quoted with 'Jesus said' in front.
     
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    The Bible isn't verifiable either. But there is a great spirit of truth about it, unlike the son of sam killer.
     
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    Disagree.

    There is no more "spirit of truth" to the bible then there is to any other tale of mythology.
     
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    That just a horrible way to approach things .. The Bible depicts Lord YHWH as doing all kinds of wrong .. having nothing to do with any blindness on the part of the observer.

    1) Should children be killed for the sins of their parents to down to the 3rd and 4th generation or 2) should children not be killed for the sins of the parents .. each responsible for his own sin.

    This is not just about Judgement of God .. but how one is put right with God .. and how do you get right with a flip flopping anthropomorphic trickster God - with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics ?

    1 or 2 friend ? Which do you choose such that you are in keeping with the Commands of Loki.
     
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    The reason I disagree with the comparison is because Math is a logic system. The system is designed to be logically consistent from start to finish.
    The Bible is an amalgamation of contradicting mythologies from multiple cultures all sandwiched together. There is no logical consistency, it just relies on you not knowing the historical background of all these mythologies because you are more focused on your modern interpretation.

    To reserve judgement for math acknowledges the innate logical consistency that is the true nature of math. To reserve judgement on the Bible is to be willfully ignorant. The more you investigate math, the more you find its logical consistency can be relied upon. The more you study biblical history the more you realize this book is not what its believers would have us believe it is.
     
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    Who killed all things on earth, but for ark inhabitants?
    Think I'm wrong?
    What created a rainbow and issued a new covenant for killing all creatures on earth but ark inhabitants?

    Denial is showing one's own wickedness, to use your quote.
    How is it faulting god? When god admits to it.

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    11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 6:9-22&version=NIV
     
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    Gee thanks for quoting the obvious. But what is your point.
     
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    Speak for yourself. I have no issue with scriptures or with God. To not understand scripture has nothing to do with being willful. The more I grow, the more sense that scriptures and the plan of salvation makes. But that is in owing not to myself, rather to Gods charity in awakening me to a remembrance of him by the intercession of his spirit, such that I know that God is real and that he lives. So I don't hold scriptures in suspicion as a benchmark. I see them as containing meaning yet to be found.

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2Timothy 3:16-17
    I have quoted and highlighted that which from my perspective applies to me and my crucial point. The pivotal part (in bold) is central because the rest is dependent on it. Scriptures don't make a person a man of God. Only God thru the ministering of his spirit can make one a man of God. At which point the scriptures then become of true value, as Paul wrote to Timothy. Otherwise we'd just be parrots.

    Without knowing this, one might read it and think that knowing scriptures makes one a man of God. Therefore the very scripture which Paul wrote would be misconstrued, leaving out the most important part. But he was speaking to Timothy who was a member of the Church, rather than to strangers. So he took it for granted that Timothy would know his meaning.

    So if Paul's simple instructions are misconstrued. Then what would be made of the actual scripture to follow in making a man of God perfect.
     
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    I think that everything commanded or done by God is right. But I'm not a member of a Jewish tribe from six thousand years ago. I'm only me today. Like Jesus said, "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." My plate is full, and my every day is the Lords prayer:
    "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
     
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    "Everything commanded by God is Right" you say. But you have no idea what God commanded and what he didn't .. as demonstrated by your inability to answer the simple question put to you in previous post .. reposted for further reflection

    1) Should children be killed for the sins of their parents to down to the 3rd and 4th generation or 2) should children not be killed for the sins of the parents .. each responsible for his own sin.

    1 or 2 friend ? Which do you choose such that you are in keeping with the Commands of Loki. Which is the command of God ?
     
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    Are you serious???
     
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