Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Giftedone

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    I do not believe God to be an irrational Idiot -- Those who believe scripture is 100% inspired are the ones casting God in such a light.

    Tell me about your God .. will you choose door number 1) Children are not go be killed for the sins of their parents or door number 2) Children are to be killed for the sins of their parents .. down to the 3rd and 4th generation.
     
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    They were an enemy when they wouldn't hand over their land.

    The Allies had no right or intent to steal the land of those who were living there.

    The law is that if borders change, those living there become citizens of their new country. It doesn't mean you get to bulldoze their homes and destroy their orchards.

    You can't defend that by going back through history and picking the time period that favors you.
     
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    No they don't.

    That's just flat out silly.

    We believe in the rule of law.

    We believe in women and those of other racial backgrounds being secure in their own person.

    We believe in the representative democracy our founders established.

    Trump believes NOT ONE of those ideas.

    We believe in having a president who leads our nation - not just those he likes.

    We believe America stands for something more than the law of the jungle.
     
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    Wow - . so because in a book of myth and redacted Historical drama -- a War God named Lord Yahu - Son of El Elyon - Husband to Asherah -- who you no longer worship mistaking this God for the God of Abraham and Jesus - you believe this command to commit Mass Ethnic Cleansing .. on a scale so nasty and evil that Even Saul did not comply is not evil but good .. and a victory over evil .. and on this basis the Ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinians is justified .. because it is still God's will and command .. for the Israelites to cleanse the Land .. Except the Israelites do not exist no more .. the Chosen people of God Scattered to the 4 winds -- the Canaanites living in Lebanon as much Chosen as those calling themselves Israeli's and/or Jewish -- the place where Lord YHWH's name resided was destroyed .. YHWH defeated by Marduk once and for all .. as recorded in Psalm 82 .. taking over as Chief God over the Earth .. never forget that Daddy El is still around .. Chief in the Heavens.

    So .. because Lord YHWH - a God you don't even worship nor believe in commanded Genocide .. Genocide is Good .. and not evil, and on the basis of this command the Ethnic Cleansing .. Cleansing of the Land from the River to the Sea .is justified .. WOW..

    Remember that song .. "All My Friends do the Low Rider" is a good one .. "Take a little Trip .. Take a little Trip .. Take a little Trip with me" .. I know you are humming along by now .. and that was quite the trip in twisted and flawed logic you just took me on :)
     
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    Twenty percent of Israeli's are Arab Muslims with full rights and who have voice in the government of Israel. And the number of Palestinians in the region are far greater in number than at Israel's birth. So there is no ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel, if the truth is any measure of reality. You have your hero's swapped. It was Hamas's depraved, demonic, unprovoked assault against innocent Israeli citizens on Oct. 7th which was a trespass against all of humanity, far more than from the river to the sea. Judaism and the Judaic Messiah, Jesus Christ, predate Islam. Jesus Christ was lifted up and sacrificed for the salvation of mankind. Muhammed died in the comfort of his Wife's arms. So there is no equating the two.
     
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    It makes no sense for you to suggest that Trumps supporters don't support him just because you don't. Well they do, and for their own reasons. It is the same with every candidate in every election, according to the voice and votes of the citizens. Or maybe I simply don't understand what you are saying.
     
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    I don't quibble with Gods will.

    The Allies had every right to administer the land as they wished as the land was theirs. There was no theft.

    Most Palestinians packed up and left. The UN offered a two state scenario, but the remaining Palestinians rejected it.

    Actually Israel's ancient borders were about fifty percent greater than what the UN decided. And there was no West Bank or Gaza Strip. After Israel's wars in the sixties with the surrounding Arab nations, they could have quadrupled the size of Israel. But they gave it all back because they fought for their own existence, not to enlarge their nation.
     
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    I agree. The evangelical Christians (for the most part) believe that Trump is the best man for the job.

    What they don't seem to realize is that such a belief runs counter to the religion they claim to be following.
     
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    Yes, supporting a lying, cheating, womanizer of a person.
    Everything real christians do not support.

    Where'd anyone say one has to support a perfect person. But a real christian would support one with christian values. Pence comes to mind.
     
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    What's the job?
    To lie, cheat, rob all Americans of rights?
    To hire prostitutes? To grab *******? To marry multiple times and cheat on their spouses?
    All those fake christian values.
     
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    His strengths exceed his shortcomings, whether those shortcomings are real, imagined, or exaggerated. He had a very successful administration the first time around. So it's probably on that strength that they support him.
     
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    I thought you supported separation of Church and state and religious liberty. Now you want to pigeon hole the electorate? The election is for President, not for best Christian.
     
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    Those are two different things. Besides, traditional Christianity can't even agree on what is Christian. That's why there are tens of thousands of different denominations, with no two alike. They claim likeness in the Bible. But the Bible teaches one Christ and one gospel, not tens of thousands of different ones. So they're all just kind of groping along, trying to find their way. At any rate, all Presidents have major flaws. And the media has zeroed in on Trumps, making it seem that flawed is all he is. That aside, I still don't support him. I think he is too petty, contentious, and divisive, which is poisonous to our nation imo. He also disappointed me by acting like the Capitol riot was an act of patriotism. That is taking his schtick too far in his fear of alienating voters. Wrong is wrong. So he alienated me. Oh well, life goes on.
     
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    I don't command God. I trust him.
     
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    This question was not if there is Ethnic Cleansing .. the assertion was about you justifying Ethnic Cleansing on the basis of Lord YHWH's command .. a God you don't even believe in. You said you believe that Ethnic Cleansing Commanded by Lord YHWH was Good .. and that those cleansed were evil. .. .. the same justification you used apologize for Israeli War crimes .. and a policy of Ethnic Cleansing going back 70 years. The claim that the Nakba was not "Ethnic Cleansing" .. is silly nonsense. Collective punishment is a war crime friend .. .. which goes back to the question you are avoiding like the plague .. Do we 1) engage in collective punishment .. or 2) not engage in collective punishment .. as per Lord YHWH's command ?
     
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    No one asked you to command God -- you were asked what was Lord YHWH's command .. and we already understand that you trust his command.

    So what is the command from Lord YHWH -- Do we engage in collective punishment -- 1) kill the child for the sin of the Father down 3 and 4 generations .. or 2) Do we condemn Collective punishment -- not kill the child for the sins of the parent - each person responsible for his own sin.

    In what command do you Trust ? How should the Israeli's act .. on the basis of 1) .. or 2) to be put right with God. Help us please .. as we do not want to be on the wrong side of God.
     
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    What is recorded in the Bible is long past and already done. If God commanded it, then it was right at the time. It doesn't have any bearing on my life. If sinners and the offspring of sinners were to be killed, we'd all be dead because we are all the sinful offspring of sinners. The best we can do is take life one day at a time, and try to be good.
     
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    So, if some religious group somewhere believes their got sanctions genocide, then you're fine with that? That's your version of morality.

    Yes, at times Israel accepted law. Today, they very clearly do not.
     
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    Israel is taking THOUSANDS of lives, one day at a time.

    And, the idea that some god is demanding that is unbelievably preposterous. Netanyahu is demanding that.
     
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    Dude, Israel is fighting for its survival against maniacs whose desire is to wipe it from the earth. Gaza shares a border with Egypt. And not even Egypt or Jordan wants to risk those lunatics coming into their country because they are so troublesome. This also makes Palestinians pawns to antagonize Israel. The Arab world is tickled to make Israel discomforted. And the Arab world could care less if Palestinians suffer for it.
     
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    He has not strengths. That's why he got fired in 2020.
    He cost the R party gains in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023.

    There's nothing you can point to where he was successful.
    Unless of course, you're about the R v W ruling. Also cost republicans seat all over the country.

    Incumbent losers have no strength.
     
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    I thought Christians had values. It's obvious many have no morals or values.
    I want to pigeon hole nothing.
    The election for president is about character. The reason trump lost as incumbent is he has no character worthy of public office.
    He is certainly the most immoral president.
     
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    The fact that there are so many denominations just goes to show that NO ONE has a direct line to God. The reason most likely is that there is no God to have a direct line to.

    If God were real and was watching what is going on down here he would, at the very least, make some kind of direct and definitive revelation as to what his religion is supposed to be about. If he is supposed to love us and want us to follow him then he would make it more clear what following him actually means.
     
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    Israel is in no danger of ceasing to exist because of Hamas or even Palestinians in general. The conditions in the Gaza strip were inhumane. How long are people supposed to put up with such conditions without striking out at those responsible?
     
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    You have a right to your opinion. As do Trumps supporters.
     
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