Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

But when it is impossible to justify your opinion with facts then it isn't a very good opinion.

 

Maybe he has and you just aren't aware of it. I mean for instance, one can't find sobriety if one spends all ones time in bars.

 

Everyone has their own reasons and justifications for who they support, as well as for who they don't support. And no election is unanimous.

 

Nevertheless, his supporters are his supporters. That's reality. What else can I say? Clicking your heels isn't gonna get you back to Kansas when you are already there.

 

Conditions in Gaza are due to the behavior and conduct of those who live there. Twenty percent of Israeli's are Arab Muslims who are living large in Israel.

 

I agree.

You can't find reality if all you do is hang out in a fantasy world.

 

I will respond to your post very thoroughly in two parts. The 1st part I will explain that evil is not a "thing" that is created. The 2nd part I will explain the misinterpretation of verse Isaiah 45:7 for those like yourself dairy who interpret it incorrectly to mean that God created evil.

Reading Scripture, we find verses indicating that God does not do or approve of evil but yes, He does punish evil and rightfully so!

We humans create our own evil given the fact that we have free will to choose to do what is right or what is wrong. We see people exercising their free will daily. Just turn on the evening TV news and we see it through our TV screens.

At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a "thing" like a bowl or pudding. You cannot have a bowl of evil, but you can most certainly have a bowl of pudding. Evil has no existence of its own, it is really the absence of good.

When God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good.
In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (choose evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a "thing" that required God to create it.

Evil is the absence of good, or better yet, evil is the absence of God. God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want "robots" that simply did His will because of their "programming".

How could God love programmed robots? So, He gave us free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.

Everyone who ends up in heaven, believes in Him, loves Him, worships Him, and praises Him!

The ones who choose not to believe in Him, not to love Him, not to worship Him, and not to praise Him will be separated from God forever.

So, in conclusion, God did not create evil, but He allows it, for the reasons I have thoroughly explained above. God hates evil but is willing to forgive.

 

Now the 2nd part of my thorough response to your post dairy.

This is a classic example of someone misinterpreting the Holy Bible. It is very easy to do when a person hasn't fully read the entire Holy Bible to understand what God is really about and so when you take any particular verse from the Bible it can easily be misinterpreted. You just can't take everything you read literally in the Holy Bible. Let me explain this particular verse from Isaiah to explain what the verse is really saying to the reader.

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version does read, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: "disaster" (NIV, HCSB), "calamity" (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and "woe" (NRSV).

The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2)The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience.

God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him.

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster."

So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil," Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

Ok thanks dairy for your post, I hope I have enlightened you enough so that you now understand that God did not create evil.

 

Exactly, everyone has a right to their opinion.
And in many people's opinion, christians who support trump are hypocrites and lose credibility when talking about their religion.

If one has no morals they have no business speaking about them and their religion and taken seriously.

Afterall, the bible does say, a gov't leader is chosen by god. Paraphrasing of course.

 

Yes they are. And no credibility if they claim to be religious with morals.

 

They follow God not because they are perfect, but because they are not, and God is. So to discard imperfect humans from the election process would be to vacate the matter entirely. Or are you saying that to believe in God is to be denied the right to vote. That would be malicious and highly judgmental. Your ra ra anti Trump mantra is bordering on the superstitious. Or maybe you're just afraid that the Democrat party is a paper tiger.

 

It also says that charity covereth a multitude of sins. With your reasoning, Christians who support anyone for anything are hypocrites because everyone is a sinner. And your allegation of Trumps sinfulness compared to other candidates is your own opinion. So you are leaning towards self righteous religious fanaticism in your judgment of Trump supporters. My Church doesn't support anyone for office. Nor does it council its members how to vote on issues. It states its values and leaves it up to the members to deal with if political issues clash with Church values.

 

Why do you keep harping about non perfect humans as president.
I've made no such claim nor has anyone else.

But the level of immorality that is accepted by Christians they claim is important. Hypocrites.

I am saying they are hypocrites.

 

Not what I am saying at all.
It is not my opinion. His past actions are not an opinion.

Married 3X. Against gods idea of marriage for better and worse until death do them part.
Hiring a prostitute, while wife 3 was due to give birth to his child.
Bragging about sexually assaulting women because they love to have their ******* grabbed.

 

If doing the will of the Father has no bearing on ones life --- then congratulations to them-- but, a follower of Christ they are not. Heed the words of Lord Jesus .. in summarizing his most famous of Sermons .. about how one goes about entering the Kingdom.

How can you do the Will of the Father .. if you don't know what that Will is Brother Injeun ? and remember "ONLY" the one who does that will gets in.. and you do want in don't you ?

Now tell me .. which is the will of the Father so that I may follow the words of Lord Jesus ..

1) kill the child for the sins of the father .. down to 3rd and 4th generation .. or
2) Do not kill one for the sins of another .. do not kill the child for the sins of the father .. let each be punished for his own Sin.

 

Well, one can raise ones child rightly, sparing him and future generations. Or one can raise ones child wrongly and afflict future generations. To raise ones child rightly requires one to serve God. But to not serve God is to curse ones offspring. It is up to you.

 

I guess they value his strength and courage as an administrator over his sins as a man. You'd have to ask them. BTW, America is majorly religious. So all votes for all sinful candidates on both sides of the isle are a matter of compromise in varying degrees.

 

I think you are making too much of it. Is God a hypocrite for bestowing each and every new day to a world filled with sinners who behave contrary to his gospel? No, he reserves judgment and blesses us according to his love and patience, which is how he teaches us to treat others in his gospel. A hypocrite is one who behaves contrary to how he expects another to behave. There was a TV minister named Jimmy Swaggart who condemned immorality but who was seeing a prostitute on the side. That is hypocrisy.

IMO, if the left hadn't completely abandoned American values over the past several decades, a man like Donald Trump wouldn't even be on the political radar for the reasons you have stated regarding his character. Religious people who support Trump, do not endorse his sins. They support his capacity to handle the responsibilities of the Presidency. As for his sins, they esteem them to be less offensive than the lefts. This should be an alarm bell to Democrats whose policies and rhetoric essentially promote Trumps promiscuous behavior. Where Trump breaks from the slide of leftist doctrine is that he marries his Wives, provides for his children, and sees to it they are educated and industrious, as is he. And I say this not as an endorsement of Trump, but for the cause of the truth. Personally I support Ron DeSantis.

 

I don't have to ask them.
You are here supporting the immoral person. You claim to be of moral character, supposedly, by claiming to be a Christian.
Unless those values are Christian values?

Again, has nothing to do with sinful or not sinful. I was a Christian for a very long time. I know all people are sinners in the Christian minds.
Justifying immoral behavior like hiring prostitutes and sexually assaulting women has nothing to do with just being a sinner, but actually demoralizing other humans.
Unless Christians don't care about assaulting others physically or emotionally. It's hypocritical to claim having a moral high ground in voice, but completely ignore those high grounds in action or support of other who don't care about other humans.
In particular women.

I also know, women are 2nd class citizens to some Christians. Maybe that's why they don't care if the person they support for president sexually assaults them.

 

LOL, was that a personal slight against me, or are you just being too hard on yourself again? After all, it was you who asked why God doesn't establish the truth in all the religious confusion.

 

Nothing at all to do with God. That's a cop out deflection.

This is about so called moral Christians supporting a person for president that will sexually assault women. Brags about it even.
That hires a prositute while wife #3 is getting ready to give birth to their kid.

Oh, the left abandoned American values, so that Justifies Christians to abandon Christian values? I guess values mean nothing.
Values are subjective. And I don't buy the lie the left Abandon American values. Whatever that even means.

How is being supportive all ALL Humans regardless of Sex, sexual orientation, skin color, etc, abandoning American values. What nonsense.

This is not about sins, it's about so call moral values. Christians supporting one who brags about sexual assault of women has no christian moral values.

 

Great .. and I would like to serve God .. by following God's commands .. putting them into practice as Jesus proclaims salvation via doing the will of the God in Heaven .. and we have a decision to make .. This child's Father has done evil in the eyes of the Lord and we must decide what to do as per God's command

Which is God's command ? its a simple question why is this such a problem for you to give a straight answer .. should we kill the child as per Gods command or should we spare the child as per Gods command ?

Which is God's command ?

1) kill the child for the sins of the father .. down to 3rd and 4th generation .. or
2) Do not kill one for the sins of another .. do not kill the child for the sins of the father .. let each be punished for his own Sin.

 

I have no clue what you are talking about. Is this some ancient Judaic scripture?

 

Do you not know the Bible ? These are commands from the God(s) of the Bible. You claimed to serve God .. which means following the commands of God. Now you haven't told us which God of the Bible it is that you serve .. nor what the Commands of this God are..

Which is the command of your God ? 1) kill the child for the sins of the father .. down to 3rd and 4th generation .. or
2) Do not kill one for the sins of another .. do not kill the child for the sins of the father .. let each be punished for his own Sin

One of these commands is given by Lord YHWH .. is this your God .. and if so which is your God's Command ? .. and If Lord YHWH is not Your God .. then who is this God .. and what does this God command .. such that we can follow .. and be put right with this God.

 

Sorry but I still don't follow you.The Bible is not my blueprint for living my life. This is because it is a record of the Jews covenants with God six thousands years ago in the middle east. My covenants are with God six thousand years later on this side of the earth. God still lives, you know. And he works with people according to the context and times in which they live. He doesn't live in the Bible, either. They didn't put duct tape over his mouth and seal him up in the Bible two thousand years ago, like a genie in a lamp. I know that God lives, not from reading the Bible or hearing it said. I didn't conclude, imagine or think it up on my own. I know because he sent his spirit to awaken me to a remembrance of him, and to know that true life is in him, rather than in myself or my life alone. When Gods spirit abides in you, he knows you, your heart, mind, and soul. And in so doing, you know him at least in part. And so you have a bond or covenant conceived in spirit. As to your question, 1 or 2, God hasn't commanded me in either case. What are you getting at anyway?