Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

That's just your personal opinion. I found that you made an error in your interpretation of the passage. Matt 13:57 & Mark 6:4, however, clearly says that Jesus said that his parents and family did not respect him and obviously did not believe that he was a prophet and were all with them (Matt 13:55-56), and why his brothers did not believe in him (John 7:5).

We Read in Scripture:
Matt 13:56-57 - Then they scoffed, “He’s just the carpenter’s son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers—James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas. All his sisters live right here among us. Where did he learn all these things?”

Matt 13:57 - And they were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, 'A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his own family.'

Mark 6:4 - Then Jesus told them, 'A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family.'

John 7:5 - For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Ok thanks Mitt for your post

 

Now you are just being silly .. claiming imminent asteroid hit is not relevant .. knowing not day nor hour changes nothing .. non sequitur fallacy.

Now the second part .. yes Brother Mitty .. a thought .. manifesting itself into physical reality .. what a power that would be , "provided" - "IFF" one could manifest that power externally .. and that is the rub .. while you can wiggle pinkie .. thought -- manifested into physical reality .. you can't move that chair .. over there by willing it to happen .. so while you have a small drop of God like Power.. you can only exercise it over your physical body .. and so you are not a God .. despite your desperate complaints to the contrary

Show me the ability to .. through force of Will - bring fire down from the sky .. now we have a metric by which the power of God can be judged .. the not having of which .. means one can not legitimately claim to have not experienced God .. as how would you know .. without metric .. without a definition of God.

Now do you see . the root of fallacy ? .. can we chalk this one up to a successful poison lizard extraction !?

 

Nothing like backslaps from worshipers of Idol Martin to help build a strong foundation .. is that it Brother Mitt ?! Let us hearken not to the whispers of snakes .. the wolves in sheep's clothing over at the snake charmer site "got questions" .. and hearken unto the words of our Lord .. explaining to us the disbelief ..even by his own family and his own town.. these people knowing nothing about some immaculate conception in their midst .. that they have been living with a God for 30 years .. exclaiming "Who knew" ... but then chuckling at the idea that Jesus was the Messiah .. never mind being a God.

The author of Matt uses all of Mark -- sans a few passages he edits out derogatory to Jesus and/or disciples - artistic license - these did not fit in well with the story the author wanted to tell .. or that did not jive with the additions to the original story such as the virgin birth and physical resurrection. .. and with each retelling of the story the divinity of Jesus grows .. but, that is not what his family thought .. and it is their opinion that matters most .. as opposed to the author of confusion .. Right Mitt !

According to the Pentecostal's - who know Gods will via the art of "Speaking in tongues" God does not wish us to drink "BEER" or other alcoholic beverage .. for your body is a temple .says the cult of the Snake ..

Say it ain't so Brother Injeun ! .. hearken unto the word of the Lord .. .. and find that is not the hearers of the word who find their way into heaven ... but the doers ..

So it is written .. So it shall be done !!

 

Yes indeed I made an error and you are right Mitty. Lord Jesus’ brothers didn’t believe in Him or accept His messianic claims but after His resurrection they then believed in Him. So I stand corrected.

Ok thanks Mitty for your post.

 

You quoted me out of context to make a spectacle of yourself. Congrats, you have succeeded in missing the point so as to dance in your own sparks. As for Jesus divinity, yes he is first known as a child who grew up around his fellows. But does that reduce you to a helpless, toothless infant rather than the adult you have become? A prophet is without honor in his own country because people can't see the truth when it is right in front of them. They look afar and miss the mark. That is the testimony.

 

How have you been quoted out of context .. the idea is nonsense .. in some dance to deflect from the point .. which has nothing to do with Honor .. and everything to do with the family of Jesus having absolutely no clue that some virgin birth happened .. or that Jesus was special .. no one in the town .. including his family is aware of 3 Magi from Persia attending his birth and bringing gifts.

Even after Jesus receives the divine spark .. becomes the messiah .. the anointed one of God .. going around teaching God's word doing miracles .. his family and townspeople still do not believe he is special .. do not believe he is the Messiah .. never mind some kind of God.

Such talk is thought to be cuckoo by the family of Jesus .... Mark 3 20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

This is page 3 of the original story Brother Injeun ! .. the family thinks "He is out of his mind" -- so obviously .. clearly .. and without a doubt his family has absolutely no clue about 3 wise men from the East showing up at his birth .. .. no Angel showing up to Mary .. telling her that this kid will be special .. so don't be alarmed when he starts claiming to be the anointed one of God .. they should all be expecting it .. Jesus a man of 29 the people thinking .. what is taking so long.

Now stop trying to dance and deflect away from this reality ... .. and explain this deception you are trying to weave .. putting words in mouth of our Lord and savior and his God .. You were told about what the Pentecostals do .. even changed the most holy of sacrifices .. making a mockery of the Eucharist by substituting juice for wine .. claiming to speak for God --- "speaking in tongues"

Now .. let us here your perspective on this question .. is the fermented fruit of the vine allowed in your Temple ?

 

And was Jesus a boozer so that he could speak in tongues (Matt 11:19 Luke 7:34)?

 

Let us not confuse the Holy Rituals brother Mitty .. the bread and wine is one ritual .. .. when the Canaanite Priest King of Jerusalem .. Priest of the "most high God" of Canaan .. meets with Abram ..

Let us read from Scripture Genesis 14

18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.
20 And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
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Now . "God most High" in Abram's time is not YHWH .. nobody knows of this God .. but the Most High Canaanite God EL - El Elyon, El Shaddai, El Olam are various titles.

So .. prior to giving up your money to God .. you do this ritual.

Now .. the ritual you are talking about is completely different .. is called "The Fire of the Lord" which is called out at regular intervals - after each shot .. but it is not wine friend .. you must have confused "wine" with moon"shine" .. wine sounds like shine so understandable .. and yes . as the night wears on .. shot after shot .. some at the table indeed begin "Speaking in Tongues" .. "The Fire of the Lord"

Now -- there is another ritual .. but this one does not involve drink but oil. Back in Solomon's day .. in the Temple of YHWH .. you would find a standing stone for YHWH . but also for Asherah .. this be in what was referred to as "The Holy Hot-Box" ritual .. as they burning cannabis oil with frankensense ..

and lest we forget where the "Fire of the Lord" ritual originates .. way back .. sometimes a town lived too far away from the Temple to bring the money (Tithe) So .. what did they do !! Party Time Brother Mitty !!
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Deut 14 - "24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or beer , or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."
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Now that is my kind o Party Mitty .. complete with a few virgins dancing naked around the fire like in the spring festival of Ishtar / Easter .. now .. the "anything you wish" part was beer, wine .. and "Fire of the Lord" .. and that is where this ritual started . and the people learned the "speaking in tongues "

 

And did they have naked virgins dancing at the wedding and speak in tongues when Jesus performed a conjuring trick with some previously hidden wine in order to make the well drunk wedding guests even drunker (John 2:1-12)?

 

Your adjoining with the company of unbelief only goes to enlarge it, not qualify it or change its nature. Blind is blind. But if you find camaraderie in it, who am I to say otherwise. It's your life and choice.

 

.. no idea but there were may women in Jesus entourage .. maybe they did not do the dance at weddings .. perhaps out in the bush .. dancing around the fire.. whilst consuming the "Fire of the Lord"

 

What is this giberish blubber .. "company of unbelief" .. You are the one running from the word of Jesus .. trying to put word in his mouth .. desperate to deflect from the question of the use of wine for the Holy Sacrament ..

What is the difficulty in answering the simple question -- are you a "believer" in the use of wine for the Holy Sacrament .. As did Jesus .. or are you not ?

Who is the "unbeliever" in the room .. and why are you accusing me of your perversion of the Holy Sacrament ?

 

You can deck yourself in royal colors, wave the bible and quote its passages until you are royal blue in the face, and it means absolutely nothing to me. My knowledge of God has not come by way of scripture or dogma or tradition, or flesh by any means. I don't worship the bible. I worship the living God from whom it came via his servants. My life is in his spirit. His servants have spoken his words to his Church and people. It isn't to others to appoint themselves to that congregation or lay claim to representation without betraying their own willfulness as if to say, I am God. That is blasphemy. Otherwise if to say the bible is your foundation, then where is God? God then is either you or the bible. Do you pray to the bible?

The bible is the keeping of the words of his servants, of whom the best one can say is that it is well with them. They are in Gods bosom, nestled in his feathers. But what of you. To parrot the words of the God they know, does not make them your words, or their God your God. It is nothing but the borrowed oil of the five foolish virgins. If you have no words of God of your own, then you have no God or oil of your own. You can't say, well Peter said this and Paul said that for your own validation without betraying the fact that you have no words of your own. So where then is your validation unless it is in and of yourself as if you were God.

As for me, I know that God is divine and I am not. Were it not for his knowledge of me I couldn't know that distinction. That's why I say that my true life is in his spirit rather than in myself or my life alone. I'm not Gods life. God is mine. He is to whom I look. He is my day star, the new light in my sky. These are my words.

 

Never a good sign to deflect from topic with self contradiction and bizarre "thought stopping" mechanism. Just a post back you were accusing others of being "unbelievers" in scripture .. although it was you who was running from scripture which you were reminded .. Now you reverse your position claiming you are an "Unbeliever in Scripture"

Then .. you finish with reversing / contradiction your position again .. claiming your knowledge of the living God comes from the servants of God = Scripture - Dogma - Tradition.

The only connection we have to "The Word" .. is from the servants = Scripture. .. and your blasphemy is not claiming to be God .. but from putting words in Gods mouth .. be those words come from Scripture .. Dogma .. Tradition .. or from the Snake Charmers ..the word on which you have built your foundation.

No it isn't .. and a garbled nonsense statement to begin with .. Scripture (some not all ) contains the word of God .. the Bible is about doing the will of "The Father" - to put oneself right with God.

then you contradict yourself again .. as discussed previously .. your foundation is based on contradiction. One Worships God by God's will .. not by crying out "Lord Lord Lord" until you are blue in the face. ... thus the God you worship is done through observation of the rules in scripture. and so your claim that you do not care about scripture .. is complete contradiction of yourself .. for without scripture .. "via his servants" .. you can not be put right with your God.

Your lack of understanding of how you worship your god however ... has nothing to do with your blasphemy against the God of Jesus and perversion of the Holy Sacrament by which the God of Jesus is worshiped.

and now once again .. Are you a believer .. or an unbeliever .. in the use of alcohol containing wine in the Holy Sacrament ? .. or do you believe in the blasphemous .. and perverted version ?

How do you observe (worship) the most Holy Sacrament ? A) Wine -- B) Water ? Not a complicated question Injeun ..

With which God is your Covenant ?

 

If the scriptures are your connection to God, then you have no God but the words of his servants to his people from long ago.

If raw meat is good for a lion. It doesn't mean that eating raw meat will make you a lion. Similarly, if scriptures are good for a man of God. It doesn't mean that studying scripture will make you a man of God. One must first be either a lion or a man of God, for raw meat or scripture to be of proper effect.

So whether you are seen eating raw meat and roaring, or studying the scriptures and pontificating. It affects a similar absurdity and vacancy of reason. When the five foolish virgins returned via the oil they borrowed, they were shut out, and the Groom said I never knew you. That is the key. One must first be known by God to be a man of God. The bible isn't a substitute.

So your sacrament question is irrelevant. Whether water or wine, it doesn't matter. What matters is the spirit in which it is done. It is to keep us in remembrance of him, not establish an origin. God isn't something to be conjured. How can you remember someone you don't already know. And how can you know him if he hadn't known you first. And if he had already known you, then why say the scriptures are your connection to God if you already know him. That you don't know him or he you, is why you say the bible is your connection. So whatever understanding you build from the bible is built without a foundation. And it is understood wrongly as well. Consequently it will all come down.

 

Did you understand nothing from your previous contradictory circle pointed out to you ? You either believe .. or you do not .. you first claim to believe .. in fact running around accusing others of unbelief .. but now you say you have no belief in scripture ..thus no access to God's Word .. thus no access to God .. no contact .. no name .. no number --

but then you contradict your words in your actions .. claiming non belief in scripture yet .. performing ritual worship .. which is dependent on that scripture .. a ritual to be conducted as proscribed by the God with which you claim to have a connection ..

What you care or don't care about .. matters not .. your actions betray the demonic thought .. that of scriptural blasphemy .. the word of God means nothing you say .. and what am I to do but say OK each to his own God .. and let us play.

Just curious which God you make covenant with Brother Ingeun .. is it the one .. after the ark found land after they let out the Pigeon ... and then had a great sacrifice .. which pleased the God ... made a covenant with Noah .. ..

Which God do you have this "connection" .. and did you make covenant with this God .. and partake in the Holy Ritual ?

 

Believe what you will.

 

This is about your beliefs not mine .. or rather "unbelief" .. Non belief in the the scripture .. non belief in "The word" .. non belief in the prophets .. non belief in the witnesses .. nor the disciples .. but then .. in the same breath .. putting words in the mouth of this God who's name you do not know .. and in who's word you claim not to believe ?

Help me to understand this the fallacies in this foundation .. and how the author of confusion is involved .. and why you wish to supplant the words of the author of confusion .. with that of Lord Jesus .. and the God of Jesus . a God you do not know.

 

You said something like: the bible is the way or connection to God. The bible isn't the way to God. People make up their own stories from it. This is evident in the tens of thousands of differing denominations in the religion. So clearly the bible isn't the way to God. I submit that one must first know God for the bible to be understood in the right spirit.

 

You are failing to see the contradiction in your position .. and the utter logical fallacy on which your foundation is based.

I agree that most of the Bible is "uninspired" as you state . but that does not mean that parts of the Bible are not the way to God "The True Path ... The Way .. the Light" .. Then you completely contradict your claim that the Bible is not the way to God .. not a connection to God .. saying that the Bible can be understood as a way to further connect with God .. once one knows this God.

I know God through my NDE .. but there is no further connection to that God .. from that experience. The connection to God comes from "The Word" .. and your claim that one needs to have had an NDE .. to understand that Word correctly is preposterous false nonsense on steroids. .. basically a claim that only you can have the proper interpretation of Scripture .. and that person who also had some invisible sky fairy that you made up come down the chimney on xmas eve to visit your friend across the street who also believes in perversion of the Holy Sacrament on this basis.

Either you believe there is the inspired word of God to be found in the Holy Scripture or you do not. You previously cried out "unbeliever" .. so are you an "Unbeliever" or are you not ? I have never professed unbelief in either myself .. not in God having an NDE .. not in condemnation of all scripture .. as you have done.
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Thus .. you are a believer in God .. but an unbeliever in scripture .. which simply means that you have no connection with your God .. as you have no idea which God it is that you are a believer in .. or what this God stands for .. what the word of this God is .. how to worship this God .. how to what is right by this God.

Your foundation = your connection with God - is based on fallacy and contradiction.. and you are an "Unbeliever" in "The Word .. the Light .. the Truth" having no understanding that God "IS" his word .. "And God Was the Word" the verse you quote over and over to yourself in your prayers at night .. but have absolutely no understanding .. Self Declared that you have no understanding .. nor any desire to understand .. "The Word of God" nor God. . and keep weaving these circles of self deception .. which is clearly brought on not by the God of Jesus . but by what ? .. Who is this God you claim to be connected to .. but can demonstrate nothing of that connection.. as what is the point of a God .. with out God's Word ? .. did we not run into the "God of Nothing" fallacy before ? .. perhaps that was with another. .. but that is what you have run into .. and there is no connection with the God of Nothing .. and any attempted connection with this God would be pointless were one able to achieve such.

 

Well then, like I said before. Believe what you want, just like all the others. But there is only one true God.

 

The only way to a god is if you can have a face to face chat and share a beer together, and not wishful thinking about having a beer and a chat after you kick the bucket.

 

What part of .. has nothing to do with my belief .. did you once again forget .. in this major thought stopping event .. and fallacious repetition of premise .. assumed premise fallacy .. such repetitive mantra also part of tactics instilled by insidious cult leaders .. got to love how the Islamists pray .. how many times per day ..

What True God did you wish us to believe in ? You have presented a God of Nothing .. told us to bow down .. but not told us what it is we are supposed to believe .. crying out "unbelievers" OK .. it may be true .. but unbelief in what ? I told you I believe .. and then showed you the God I believe in .. told you about the covenant .. but you ran away from this God .. said you did not believe in the God of Jesus and Abraham. Not saying who this God you call true is .. to the point of deception. This God you Call True .. the God of deception.

Show us this one True God .. Let us know this God's name .. how we are to worship this God... Why do you wish to hide this God away .. if not for the fact that this God may not be True .. and that in reality it is the demiurge that you are selling as true.

 

In sentiment, I'm inclined to agree with you. In fact, in Revelation 3:20 it says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." How this might come to fruition is anyone's guess. I assume it depends on the person, his circumstance and what is in his heart.

 

And the story in Genesis 18 describes how Abraham's god dropped around to have a face to face chat and share a non-kosher meal together. Alas, so far a god hasn't bothered to knock on my door.