Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I am certain that God is real and that he lives. He has known me and I have witnessed and conceived his divinity. A wise and tender servant of God said that while we may not know everything, we know enough to keep Gods commandments. So no matter how far we might wander and forget, Gods love remains. It is the constant. To this, one should hold fast.

 

And according to the Saint's, when Turkey's eliminated from the map, (compliments of Russia), it will be Constantinople again.

Byzantium will rise again. ✠

 

I have two biographies of Saint Joan of Arc. The one book is an honest account, and in the other she's a lesbian. You figure!

We had some old books in our summer home, and one was about events in WWI. In one story Saint Joan appeared to a French soldier who was ready to desert. I assume this and maybe some other similar events is why Rome finally decided to canonize her - and after so many years.

 

I remember that story of Saint Joan appearing to a French soldier!

 

You have bad sources of info. What?...Egyptians wrote the commandments 1200 years earlier? You need to stop frequenting those atheist sites, they will feed you bogus info with the objective in mind to discredit the Holy Bible.

What?....Abraham existed but not Moses. So this X-Moses already knew them but Moses never existed. So who is this X-Moses fella? Never mind you don't need to answer because it's just going to be more nonsense. You can't even prove that Moses never existed but yeah you can most certainly have an opinion that he never existed.

You tried to make a point to discredit the Bible by using a real life character that is mentioned in the Bible as Abraham but when I knocked and refuted the point you tried to make as being false/baseless by using another character mentioned in the Bible you come back with more nonsense and make a false claim that this character I mentioned never existed.

How convenient...make false claims to discredit the Bible but when it is refuted, just make another false claim on what is refuting your initial false claim...lol

Obviously this is just a case of being selective in what to deny that is written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible and what to accept when you falsely believe it will help to discredit the Bible. But either way to no avail with the purposes you had in mind because I nullified them in my rebuttal.

 

1 - The Greeks never believed in re-incarnation. Not the ancient Greek tribes, nor in the Classical era, nor in the Hellenic era. They believed people went to Hades when they died.

2 - Before Alexander the Great's advent into Persia and the East around 300 BC, the only Greeks that could be found in Persia were stragglers - certainly not people of any importance to the Persians since there was always friction between them.

3 - When Alexander fell in love with Roxanne and told the Greeks to marry Persian women, it shocked his soldiers. Doesn't reflect any kind of Greek hierarchy in Persia before Alexander.

There was though an invasion of people from Persia that intermingled with the indigenous people in Greece before the Greek tribes entered which might account for the similarity of some words.

4 - The only schools of philosophy were in Athens. There were no schools anywhere else during the Classical era so why would the Greek philosophers go to Cairo? There might have been some schools in the Greek city of Alexandria under the Ptolemies in the Hellenic era since they had libraries and universities and were cosmopolitan, but I don't think so.

Judaism and the belief of one God had an influence on them so why would they have schools of philosophy when they were pagan. They weren't closed in Athens until about the 4th century.

5 - I'm sure there was contact between the Egyptians and the Minoans of Crete before the volcanic eruption and tidal wave of Santorini destroyed them - after all the Greeks said they knew the depth of every sea in the world. But are you saying that the Egyptians were stupid and needed the Greeks as scribes? Or are you saying that the Minoans and Myceneans Greeks didn't need scribes themselves?

Also Homer who related the story of Troy in and around the 8th century BC, never mentioned Egypt - or at least as far as I know.

(The carved rock where Homer taught his students is about 1/4 mile from where my mother was born. It was always known as the 'teacher's rock' - Daskalopetra.)

 

Sorry but you're wrong again.

The name Moses comes from the Hebrew verb, which means "to pull out/draw out" (of water) according to the Torah.

Pharaoh's daughter gave the infant Moses this name after she recued him from the Nile river.

We Read in Scripture:

10 Later, when the boy was older, his mother brought him back to Pharaoh’s daughter, who adopted him as her own son. The princess named him Moses, for she explained, “I lifted him out of the water.” Exodus 2:10 NLT

 

Byzantium HAS risen again, or rather it never fell, and today we call it Russia. Before that it was Rome, which likewise, still exists. Today we call boh cities Moscow.

Ignoring modernization which happens to everyone there is less difference between Early Republic Rome and Modern Russia than there was between Early Republic Rome and the Later Empire

Mind, Moscow is nowhere even near the governmental or commercial success that Rome or even Byzantium once was. It may never be as the whole idea and concept of governments and commercialism, along with cities in particular, appears to be undergoing a "paradigm" shift in the modern world. These are exciting times to be living in

 

I think they're dangerous times to live in, not only because wars are starting to break out all over the world but because of the Government controls and mandates for the vaccines - and especially for children.

As for the Greeks, they still refer to themselves as Romans, and I believe they are called 'Rom' in Turkey and the Middle East. When the Pope referred to the Byzantines as Greeks, they were highly insulted since the ancient Greeks were pagans - either that or because it's Rome that will hold back the Antichrist. There's a spiritual reason for the title of 'Rome'.

Right now Moscow is the one holding back the One World Government which will be the seat of the Antichriist.

But! This doesn't mean though that Byzantium will not rise again.

Saint Sophia had 300 chanters. They're able to replicate the sounds. This is how it would have sounded.

 

Prayer is rarely so beautiful

 

Yes .. the retelling of one of the oldest stories ... We Read in History -- > Sargon of Akkad - uniter of the city States in Mesopotamia into the worlds first Empire .. Set in a Reed basket .. pulled out of the water .. adopted by a patron God - went on to be great leader .. diefied after Death .. round 2350 BC.

So .. Everyone knew this narrative -- been around for a thousand Years before Moses come .and many similar no doubt as. those adopted by God's follow patterns you see .. and this is the oldest and most revered in the Books .. that these folks had...

Like Sargon .. That which Moses/Joshua built - was eventually destroyed/ Taken over by the Assyrians..

 

I like where you are coming from in some ways.. but , Where is YHWH in the above Equation ?

 

I'm not sure what you mean. His personage is in heaven. His doctrines are spread about. Part of him resides in all of us in our higher natures of conscience and the capacity to love and do good. As well as in the dormancy of our fondest and most sublime hopes and dreams folded into the recesses of our heart and spirit. His handiwork is in our existence and natural world. And the more of it, the regenerating and perfecting of us, is contingent upon our free agency in seeking him and in his will regarding us. I think the secretive nature of it all is so that we may experience life and test our choices and faith without his presence or over influence.

 

YHWH is not anything like the kind loving compassionate God you describe -- What you are described is how the Bible depicts Jesus .. and presumably the God of Jesus. These are clearly two different Gods - a problem that has not gone un-noticed.

 

Sometimes I wish you would do a very thorough research before you open your yap to spew out a falsehood.

Obviously not everyone knew that the narrative was a copy or a borrowing from the Moses story. That's what happens when you don't do a thorough research you make a fool of yourself thinking you scored points in discrediting the Holy Bible which is the Word of God.

Let me remind you that the Holy Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God and so when you see anything out there that appears to discredit the Holy Bible be skeptical of it, do some diligent research.

Now let's get down to business to bring out the truth. But first let me say this, you should have started your post by saying: "We Read in Borrowing History"...lol

Let me bring in my favorite Christian site to thoroughly explain it. Sorry gift I know how you hate my favorite Christian site but hey where else do you think I get the truth besides getting it from the Scriptures of the Holy Bible. This site just verifies everything written in the Scriptures and they keep in line and not sway away into the deep end, that's why I'm a subscriber of theirs. So below is part of the full article that they wrote.

Finally, there are cases of borrowing, but in these cases the Bible was the source, not the pagan myths (despite pseudo-academic claims to the contrary). Consider the case of Sargon’s birth. Legend has it that Sargon was placed in a reed basket and sent down the river by his mother. He was rescued by Aqqi, who then adopted him as his own son. That sounds a lot like the story of Moses in Exodus 2. And Sargon lived about 800 years before Moses was born. So the Moses baby-sent-down-the-river-only-to-be-rescued-and-adopted story must have been borrowed from Sargon, right?

That sounds reasonable, but what is known of Sargon comes almost entirely from legends written many hundreds of years after his death. There are very few contemporary records of Sargon’s life. The legend of Sargon’s childhood, how he was placed in a basket and sent down a river, comes from two 7th century B.C. cuneiform tablets (from the library of the Assyrian king Ashurbanipal, who reigned from 668 to 627 B.C.), written hundreds of years after the book of Exodus. If someone wants to argue that one account was borrowed from another, it would have to be the other way around: the Sargon legend appears to have borrowed from the Exodus account of Moses.

The Bible is clear as to its authorship. Although many different men wrote, the Holy Spirit of God is the actual author. Second Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that Scripture is inspired by God, which means it is literally “God-breathed.” He wrote it, He preserved it down through the centuries, He lives within its very pages, and His power is manifest in our lives through it.

So sorry gift, but I just couldn't let you get away with a falsehood!

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-myths-legends.html

 

What a nasty post -- crying "Falsehood" . yet not even stating what you claim to be false ? .. do research on what - I told you basic History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad


"Sargon was born as the illegitimate son of a priestess or low-class woman. In shame she secretly hid her child and then placed in a basket of reeds and floated him down a river where baby Sargon was found by a man and raised as his own son — only later to become a great King and leader"

Where is the falsehood ?? You are the one spewing falsehoods by crying "Falsehood" - practicing the art of deciet - and you are the one who has clearly not done his research.

You need to stop listening to those moron's over on that "Got-Questions" snake charmer site you love so much .. down the dark path you have been led. You need to stop making false accusations - false claims.

While it is possible that the story of Sargon was taken from the story of Moses .. The evidence suggests that the reverse is true .. but either way .. you have no basis for running around crying "False False False" .. because you don't know defacto that it is false .. and even the moronic Got -Questions site does not go as far als to claim this..

You run around crying accusing others of Falsehood ... when it is you who is the one who has shown to be the spewer of falsehood - as demonstrated by your own link.

You have been weighed - you have been measured - and found wanting .. as we read in Scripture.. Matt 7: "15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

 

You're a funny guy...lol You're the one trying to discredit the Holy Bible with your garbage. Then you have the gull to use Scripture but the irony is that Matt 7 is speaking about people such as you...lol...too funny!

 

I don't know much of Judaism. Perhaps something is lost in translation and maybe parts are missing. Or perhaps the people were more wicked and stiff necked. Maybe your own perception is at fault. Or a combination of all the above. I don't know. I only know the God with whom I am personally familiar according to my own experience. I am not a scholar or expert...just a person.

 

No, wrong. Go study the languages and get back to us.

X-Moses is Egyptian, just like Aaron is Egyptian and not Hebrew, and Phineas is Egyptian and not Hebrew, and Dathan is Egyptian and not Hebrew and on and on.

Had you bothered to read the bible you thump so hard, then you'd know that all -- meaning without exception -- of the names from the tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi mentioned in Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are exclusively Egyptian names while all the names of members of other tribes mentioned in those same books are exclusively Canaanite -- meaning they're not Hebrew.

You are apparently also totally ignorant of the fact and the reality that Classical Biblical Hebrew did not exist as a language prior to 1,200 BCE.

Classical Biblical Hebrew is Canaanite, specifically the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic without the case endings, and since you probably don't even know what cases are, that's nominative, accusative, dative, genitive, instrumental, locative, vocative, et al.

 

While you may think Historical facts that conflict with your belief are "Garbage" .. others to not. What is Garbage - is you running around crying "Falsehood" - about Sargon of Akkad - when it turned out that you were the one speaking with forked tongue.

I have not spoken falsely in the name of Jesus .. claiming to know the mind of God as you so often do. I am not the one running from the teachings of Jesus .. into the loving arms of the Idol Martin Luther. I do not run around like the Tim Tibow's of the world .. "Jesus Jesus" after scoring touchdown .. like the Fundamentalists are won't to do. It says in Scripture - "Not all who call "Lord Lord" will enter the Kingdom" - Only the one who does the will of the Father.

You can not manage the most basic questions ... in your "Tough questions" OP .. such as what Jesus means in Matt 7 -

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So tell us - since you claim to know the mind of God - what are these words that we are supposed to put into practice ? or is this question too Tough ?

 

The nasty depiction of YHWH in the OT - has nothing to do with my perspective.. not some secret

This is God makes a rule - "Children should not be killed for the sins of their parents" - and next think you know he is killing mass amounts of children - babies - fetuses .. Because of the sins of their parents. .. Its a nasty depiction .. not the tender - loving - forgiving - turn the other cheek - compassionate picture you presented - or did you just leave out the dark side ?

This dichotomy - is the stuff serious people question .. serious about seeking the Truth .. the way .. the light .. as it is a serious question is it not .. what that way is .. what is the path .. is it the path of YHWH .. "So Called" "Most High" .. or .. is it the path of Jesus ?

Because depending on which path I am on .. questions are answered differently - to throw the first second and third stone and encourage others to do so - or to suggest log out of own eye .. prior to condemning brother.

"Stiff Necked" ... please mate .. don't be silly .. as if folks today are less so .. but .. its a nonsense trope for other reasons .. not addressing the issue at hand .. trying to rationalize the nasty things .. rather than admit -- OH . OK ..yeah .. that is a rather different depiction which deviates from "Your Story" .. hmmmm

The "Stiff Necked" are the fundamentalists .. .. but also those who do not want to understand the Truth ... that YHWH was not the God of Abraham .. and thus not the God of Jesus .. if we assume "The Father" Jesus was referring to was the God of Abraham.

But .. take heart.. as the God of Abraham .. is much more like the God that you describe than YHWH ...

 

I never said they did. I said the invented it. Learn and understand the difference. Having said that, early Greeks did, but most abandoned it with the rise of Empiricism.

The did not believe that until after they invented Hell.

No, there were Greeks as government administrators. You'd know that, since some of Median and Persian names are actually Grecofied.

Berossus was a Greek government administrator for the Chaldeans.

The reason Berossus was able to write histories of Media and Persia, is because he was reading Greek texts written by Greeks working in the Median and Persian governments before Alexander the Great came along.

When you muster up the courage to actually study Greek history, you will understand.

Aristotle is the only Greek who never studied in Egypt.

If you knew anything about Plato or Socrates, you'd know that not only did they study there, they talk about in their texts.

Solon also studied in Egypt.

Judaism is not monotheistic. The only true monotheistic religion is Islam.

The Hebrews were polytheistic -- just like everyone -- until they became henotheistic -- after everyone else did.

The Hebrews adopted a national god after everyone else had done so.

That's monolatry, not monotheism.

Monotheism is there is one god and there were never any other gods.

That is not what the Hebrews believed, that is not what their texts state and that is not what Yahweh says.

Yahweh says there are other gods.

Are you calling Yahweh a liar?

The Book of the Wars of Yahweh is about Yahweh's wars with other gods and Yahweh and his other god friends fighting other gods.

Are you calling Yahweh a liar?

Not only did the Hebrews believe there were other gods, they even believed Yahweh's consort was Asherah, another god.

The word "elohim" means gods plural. The fact that modern Hebrew -- which has little to do with Classical Biblical Hebrew -- says it now means "god" singular does not alter the fact or the reality that in the past, it meant gods, plural.

Are you saying the Ottoman Turks were stupid? Because all their government administrators were Greeks, except in the Finance Ministry where the majority were Jews, and in the military where the majority of generals were Russian, Romanian, Magyar, Bulgar, Serbian or Albanian.

Are you saying the Romans were stupid?

Because Roman government administrators were Greeks.

You'd know that if you had ever read Roman documents, because the names of Greeks who Latinized their names are unmistakably clear.

Likewise you can read Egyptian documents and see the names of Greeks that were Egyptofied.

I would remind you that Egyptian hieroglyphs were written vertically. Then, in their haste, scribes began writing a cursive form of hieroglyphs, 'cause it was faster and that was called Hieratic.

And then there was linear hieratic which evolved into Linear Hieratic A and Linear Hieratic B.

Gosh....which civilization had linear writing that evolved into Linear A and Linear B?

That would be the early Greeks...and that's how we know they worked in the Egyptian government, because it was they who converted Egyptian hieroglyphs from Linear Hieratic to Linear Hieratic A and then later to Linear Hieratic B.

 

The Journal of the Ancient Near East is not an "atheist site."

It's a peer-reviewed professional publication by archeologists. Look into it.

I would assess your reading comprehension at 4th Grade Level.

I never said X-Moses did not exist.

What I said was the reason that no one -- not even x-tians --has been able to find any historical reference in Egypt to "Moses" is because "Moses" is not his real name.

Like Malcolm Little, who adopted the name Malcolm X because he didn't know his real last name and thought that using the surname of his plantation/slave owner was offensive, so, too, it is with X-Moses.

As rendered in the text, m-s-s is not Classical Biblical Hebrew and it most certainly is not Canaanite. It is Egyptian.

X-Moses lived before Classical Biblical Hebrew existed, so he could not have written in Hebrew.

The evidence thus far suggests that the real name of X-Moses was likely Anmoses or Amenmoses.

The Yahweh fanatics Hilkiah and Jeremiah who were of the Aaronid priesthood --meaning they were descendants of Aaron -- hated everything about the Mosaic priesthood -- meaning they were descendants of X-Moses - and everything about X-Moses and their hatred was so extreme it would fill the Universe a Million times over.

If you don't believe their hatred was extreme, then it's because you haven't read the Hebrew texts or don't understand what you read.

The names Anmoses or Amenmoses would have been offensive to Hilkiah and Jeremiah, because it very obviously represents a foreign god.

They would have stricken, amended, edited -- whatever you wanna call it -- the text to remove the name of the foreign god so that Anmoses becomes "moses" or Amenmoses becomes "moses."

It would be like historians finding the names Jack or John offensive for some bizarre reason and striking/editing/amending/deleting those names whenever they came across them in any text, which is exactly what Hilkiah and Jeremiah did.

And, then, the x-tians would run around like chickens with their heads off screaming, "We can't find any historical reference to a President named 'son'!"

Well, duh. There aren't any Presidents named "son" but there are two three Presidents named Jackson or Johnson.

Like I said.....when archeologists find the original E Text which was written and maintained by a Mosaic priest, then we will know the real name of X-Moses.

And your whole world will come crashing down on top of you.

As I mentioned, your reading comprehension is horrid. I did no such thing and your bible does a good job discrediting itself without my help.

 

How would you know that the earliest Greeks invented reincarnation when the earliest tribes didn't leave any written works? -

As for Empiricism, you're jumping from ancient Greece to Classical Greece which is about 800 years later.

Hades was not hell as we know it. It was just the place they went to after they died.

I'm going to accept what you're saying since I know that when Xerxes invaded Greece, some of the Dodacanese islands went with the Persians which means they did have a lot of contact with one another. But you're jumping from one era to another.

The first known Greek civilizations would be about 1,200 BC when the Trojan war occurred. Homer wrote about it around the year 800 BC which is about 400 years later. Reincarnation is never mentioned in the tales, only Hades. As for Epiricism, you're thinking of Classical Greece which is about 500 years after Homer - so you're timing is all off.

I'm sure the philosophers knew about Egypt and its history, and they might have even gone there to learn more about their culture and history. But when you say they studied there, it's implying they went to school there.

I'm not going to go into any of what you wrote because your world view and history is from an Islamic perspective and different from ours.. I have to assume you're Iranian? It doesn't matter, but it does explain the confusion with our dating system of BC and AD. I noticed the Turks have the same problem. I have a suggestion, how about narrowing your subject matter to one specific topic. That way I'll be able to discuss it with you, otherwise it becomes very confusing.

 

Well, if you don't believe in the matter of salvation or Jesus's divinity, then the contradiction you perceive between the God of the old and new testaments seems irrelevant to me, as neither are to your liking. I don't critique the Bible or fault God in anything. I personally did not find God in scripture other than the encouragement to pray. It is more that he found me in spirit and personal revelation. If scriptures contradict or don't make sense, I set them aside for later consideration as my testimony and faith are in a real living God rather than words on paper or other peoples testimonies. I did not learn what I know.