Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Once again .. it is not my perception .. only a moron does not see the difference between the two .. and that would not be me ... you are trying to make this about me .. but has nothing to do with me.

What one thinks about Salvation or the divinity of Jesus is irrelevent to this contradiction.

Good that you do not fault God .. Which one ? Good that you found God outside of Scripture .... Which one ?

 

I didn't say anything abut Egyptians writing comandments ? Posted some well known History about Sargon - who is not Egyptian - from wiki - which is not an atheist site ?

What the heck are you talking about ? -- this is the nonsensical gibberish I keep referring to .. raging on about something having nothing to do with topic .. then accusing "The other" of some nasty label .. in a fit of ad hom fallacy ..

Further .. you know full well I am not an Atheist .. you just can't deal with the fact that my story about God differs from yours - and that I know Jesus much better than you .. so this is not just deception - but self deception.

Why down this twisted path do you walk ? Is this your version of - "The Way - The Truth - The Light" ?

 

I did not say Moses did not exist - why do you persist in this dance of deception ?

Just because Famous personages have things attributed to them that they may not have done - does not mean these people did not exist. and who is saying the same things can not happen to both ?

If indeed Sargon was annointed by God - after being plucked out of the river - upon which he had been set adrift in a reed basket as a babe.. why not also Moses .. another who was annointed by God to lead his people.

Was Sargon not leading "God's people" in 2300 BC ? Perhaps the reed basket motif is how the God(s) like to do it ? Who are you to claim otherwise .. given this is how you believe your God has done it .. at least once.

Was the leader of the Persions .. Cyrus the Great - not also "Annointed by God" ? - a God which the remnants of the tribe of Judah adopted after the Babylonian Captivity - incorporating the religious beliefs of the Persians into Judaism .. one of which was "Monotheism"

Ezra 1:1–8, indicates "the Lord inspired King Cyrus of Persia to issue this proclamation", in the Cyrus Cylinder he pays homage to Marduk. This Babylonian document has been interpreted as referring to the return to their homelands of several displaced cultural groups, one of which could have been the Jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

Marduk is important in this story .. as it is Marduk who defeated YHWH - War God of Israels Northern Kingdom. .

And don't forget Melchizedek ... a Cannanite Priest King - also annointed by God..

 

There is only one God. I don't build a case against him. I have witnessed his divinity and existence. It is enough. So any fault I see in him thru scripture or historical reference or my own review is in me or in the writing and not in him. The fault is mine. The ignorance is mine. The lack of understanding is mine, and the yearning. I have no case against him. I do not labor to hide my sins or wickedness from him. But rather to rid myself of them. What honest person for the cause of truth and justice would fault God. It would be akin to faulting ones own best worth. The old testament spans four thousand years. The new testament is a relatively short single lifespan of Jesus Christ whom was then crucified. Then the Jews were scattered to the corners of the earth. And no man spoke or wrote of covenant with their God for nearly two thousand years. Then came their darkest hour of the holocaust, whereupon it ended and the nation of Israel was reborn and the jews gathered once again. Is this the same God of the old testament...who scattered, forgot them, afflicted them mightily and then gathered them again? Whatever the works of God, they are greater than my eyes can see. My heart though is ever to him. My trust is in him. It is better to die in God and live than to perish, a stranger.

 

There is Only One .. "Allah Ak-bar .. and don't care about scripture .. OK and Some Jews were killed .. although holocause perhaps not darkest hour .. but certainly a dark one Think the Babylonian Captivity may rank up there... better to die in God then perish a stranger.

So .. all good with that.. Still curious if your God has a name or not though .. or is it a secret

 

Jesus Christ. But our Parents are not our contemporaries that we call them by name for the cause of affection.

 

Jesus Christ is the name of your God ? --- no idea how this relates to your parents .. but - since you don't care about scripture how do you know what this God expects of you .. just kind of go by feel or something ..... kind of "go with the flow" so to speak... the great power of the universe guiding your every step...

 

Excuse me, where do you get off placing judgement on others, or telling them what they believe or what they don't believe? Do you really think of yourself as being so much more knowledgeable than they are? Maybe you believe that you're more enlightened than the interpreters of Scripture, whose devotion and non carnal and spiritual existence gave them such charisms by God, that they could make the blind to see and the crippled to walk?

If our Saintly compilers of the Bible and our interpreters of Scripture are even able to bi locate and help those in need when alive, and are able to intercede and cure people after their death, then who dares place their feeble minds above that which our Good Lord is able to bring forth.

Here are 3 videos of the over 10 thousand written testimonies from people of all faiths, with names of doctors and hospitals which have occurred at the Church of Saint Isadore at Lykavettos Mountain in Athens in recent years.

This woman had Mutiple Sclerosis and was brought to the Church and the Chapel of Saint Jude from a hospital in Patras.


This is a blind girl who has regained her sight with the Cross.


Here is another woman with Mutiple Sclerosis who is able to walk.

 

There was no judgement in previous post .. was just suprised by the claim that Jesus was the name of his God.. The Poster themselves claimed they did not care about scripture ..

So you must have got the wrong idea.

 

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I didn't come to believe that God lives by reading scriptures. I actually know that God lives because he visited me in spirit, filling my heart with peace and my mind with light, shooshing the table of my soul to the edges. Heaven opened and I saw his pure white light pour out. The crux is that I recognized and remembered him as my God, which I couldn't do if I did not already know him somehow. Nevertheless, he is real, he lives, and heaven is real. God is divine. I do not know God the Fathers name. I only know the name of Jesus Christ. And because they are the same in spirit, then I say his name is Jesus Christ. Since my revelation/vision/miracle, his spirit has conceived in me a certainty which to me is parcel to a rebirth, which followed with baptism and the gift of the holy ghost. For this I refer to Jesus as Father as he is the Father of my rebirth. I realize this sounds very odd, having nothing to do with who's playing tonight, or what's for dinner, or with whatever else may be on the agenda. But you asked. Yes I read scriptures, but not all the time. In fact, the main scriptural points(forgiveness, repentance, etc.) in Jesus's gospel are sufficient to guide ones path every day. I have read more scriptures than what I can understand or apply. And refer to them as life necessitates. But mostly I marvel that God lives and the world doesn't know it, that divinity runs concurrently with the fallen world, that we think we see and hear and live when the truth in abundance escapes our perception almost entirely. BTW, I wasn't raised in a religious environment. So I'm not the product of propaganda, cultism and so forth. For the first twenty six years of my life I was a solid N/A in religious affiliation. If it didn't put a largemouth bass on my line, a deer in my sights, or money in my wallet, it didn't interest me in the least. When trouble found me sufficiently enough that I had cause to pray, it wasn't long after that God responded to my prayers and I found rescue far greater than my initial want.

 

Frankly I'm in awe at Injeun's humility and faith which is a reflection of his soul. As a Christian, he is right when he said Jesus is his God, for how can one's thoughts and words be separate from the one who expresses them? Jesus as God's Word has to be God, as would be the Holy Spirit which is the love emanating from God that binds the world together.

As for reading scriptures, are you saying that a loving God is going to deny those who are illiterate and mentally handicapped His blessings because they are unable to read scripture? handicapped person who is unable

God's Word and thoughts be separate from the One that expresses them? As a Christian, Jesus is our God since He is

 

I'm sorry, my computer jumped the gun again, and posted what I wrote before I had time to complete it. Either that or my poltergeist is playing games with me.

Frankly I'm in awe at Injeun's humility and faith which is a reflection of his soul. As a Christian, he's right when he said Jesus is his God - for how can God be separate from Jesus who is God's Word and is expressing God's thoughts?

As for reading scriptures, it's not necessary. God doesn't expect literacy from anyone. All God wants is a pure and redemptive heart so He can fill it with His Grace.

 

So .. personal experience ... Think I mentioned previously that I also met the Godhead in an NDE .. unlike you I was raised in "The Cult" so of course attached that entity to the stories Jesus - God ..and what not..

Now I don't attach that entity to any name .. or religious dogma - per say .. but do attach to a related construct - perhaps similar to what you have done.

As far as scriptures - my first question is always "which one" - as different scripture says different things - I have my preference .. for various reasons .. Sermon on the Mount for example - I think is as close as we get to "The Real" Jesus.

 

Wake up gift!...lol You responded to my post that was for Mircea. So yeah you didn't say Moses did not exist, it was Mircea who said it and I made a response to him. Are you fully awake now gift?...lol

Or are you two one of the same? I hope you're not using an alias gift, that would be against the rules.

 

It's at that level only when I read material written by a person who has 4th Grade Level writing skills...lol

 

my bad .. easy mistake to make .. but enjoy .. as I know you never make mistakes and are immune to correction

 

Let me bring up this Psalm 69.

We Read in Scripture:

For the choir director: A psalm of David, to be sung to the tune “Lilies.”

1 Save me, O God,
for the floodwaters are up to my neck.
2 Deeper and deeper I sink into the mire;
I can’t find a foothold.
I am in deep water,
and the floods overwhelm me.
3 I am exhausted from crying for help;
my throat is parched.
My eyes are swollen with weeping,
waiting for my God to help me.
4 Those who hate me without cause
outnumber the hairs on my head.
Many enemies try to destroy me with lies,
demanding that I give back what I didn’t steal.
5 O God, you know how foolish I am;
my sins cannot be hidden from you.
6 Don’t let those who trust in you be ashamed because of me,
O Sovereign Lord of Heaven’s Armies.
Don’t let me cause them to be humiliated,
O God of Israel.
7 For I endure insults for your sake;
humiliation is written all over my face.
8 Even my own brothers pretend they don’t know me;
they treat me like a stranger.
9 Passion for your house has consumed me,
and the insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.
10 When I weep and fast,
they scoff at me.
11 When I dress in burlap to show sorrow,
they make fun of me.
12 I am the favorite topic of town gossip,
and all the drunks sing about me.
13 But I keep praying to you, Lord,
hoping this time you will show me favor.
In your unfailing love, O God,
answer my prayer with your sure salvation.
14 Rescue me from the mud;
don’t let me sink any deeper!
Save me from those who hate me,
and pull me from these deep waters.
15 Don’t let the floods overwhelm me,
or the deep waters swallow me,
or the pit of death devour me.
16 Answer my prayers, O Lord,
for your unfailing love is wonderful.
Take care of me,
for your mercy is so plentiful.
17 Don’t hide from your servant;
answer me quickly, for I am in deep trouble!
18 Come and redeem me;
free me from my enemies.
19 You know of my shame, scorn, and disgrace.
You see all that my enemies are doing.
20 Their insults have broken my heart,
and I am in despair.
If only one person would show some pity;
if only one would turn and comfort me.
21 But instead, they give me poison[a] for food;
they offer me sour wine for my thirst.
22 Let the bountiful table set before them become a snare
and their prosperity become a trap.
23 Let their eyes go blind so they cannot see,
and make their bodies shake continually.[c]
24 Pour out your fury on them;
consume them with your burning anger.
25 Let their homes become desolate
and their tents be deserted.
26 To the one you have punished, they add insult to injury;
they add to the pain of those you have hurt.
27 Pile their sins up high,
and don’t let them go free.
28 Erase their names from the Book of Life;
don’t let them be counted among the righteous.
29 I am suffering and in pain.
Rescue me, O God, by your saving power.
30 Then I will praise God’s name with singing,
and I will honor him with thanksgiving.
31 For this will please the Lord more than sacrificing cattle,
more than presenting a bull with its horns and hooves.
32 The humble will see their God at work and be glad.
Let all who seek God’s help be encouraged.
33 For the Lord hears the cries of the needy;
he does not despise his imprisoned people.
34 Praise him, O heaven and earth,
the seas and all that move in them.
35 For God will save Jerusalem[d]
and rebuild the towns of Judah.
His people will live there
and settle in their own land.
36 The descendants of those who obey him will inherit the land,
and those who love him will live there in safety. Psalm 69:1-36 NLT

Well yeah it wasn't about him having this fear of drowning which becomes obvious after you read the entire passage to see what it was all about. Sometimes you take Scripture literally other times you don't, but there is always a message that is being conveyed but when you misinterpret, you won't be getting the correct message. This particular Psalm 69 by David I've learned is called a imprecatory Psalm. Imprecatory means, "that which calls down a curse or invokes judgment," so the imprecatory Psalms are prayers that call for God's judgment on one's enemies. We read in verses 27-28, "Pile their sins up high, and don’t let them go free. Erase their names from the Book of Life; don’t let them be counted among the righteous."

So David was calling upon God to bring justice to his enemies, so this Psalm 69 is categorized as an imprecatory Psalm.

 

Glad you are not a literalist .. neither am I .. This does not change the fact that we are still left with determining what is the path that Jesus has set forth == what is "the will of the Father" Matt 7: 24

 

Our salvation is his will. Essentially it is being a good person...and a bit more. Because in each of our lives, who and wherever we may find ourselves, we are on our own path and spirit, you should pray and ask our heavenly Father how and where to begin upon the true path and spirit and true shepherd. Isaiah 53: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (See, I do read scriptures )

 

Let me bring up Psalm 18.

Psalm 18

For the choir director: A psalm of David, the servant of the Lord. He sang this song to the Lord on the day the Lord rescued him from all his enemies and from Saul. He sang:

1 I love you, Lord;
you are my strength.
2 The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my savior;
my God is my rock, in whom I find protection.
He is my shield, the power that saves me,
and my place of safety.
3 I called on the Lord, who is worthy of praise,
and he saved me from my enemies.
4 The ropes of death entangled me;
floods of destruction swept over me.
5 The grave wrapped its ropes around me;
death laid a trap in my path.
6 But in my distress I cried out to the Lord;
yes, I prayed to my God for help.
He heard me from his sanctuary;
my cry to him reached his ears.
7 Then the earth quaked and trembled.
The foundations of the mountains shook;
they quaked because of his anger.
8 Smoke poured from his nostrils;
fierce flames leaped from his mouth.
Glowing coals blazed forth from him.
9 He opened the heavens and came down;
dark storm clouds were beneath his feet.
10 Mounted on a mighty angelic being, he flew,
soaring on the wings of the wind.
11 He shrouded himself in darkness,
veiling his approach with dark rain clouds.
12 Thick clouds shielded the brightness around him
and rained down hail and burning coals.
13 The Lord thundered from heaven;
the voice of the Most High resounded
amid the hail and burning coals.
14 He shot his arrows and scattered his enemies;
great bolts of lightning flashed, and they were confused.
15 Then at your command, O Lord,
at the blast of your breath,
the bottom of the sea could be seen,
and the foundations of the earth were laid bare.
16 He reached down from heaven and rescued me;
he drew me out of deep waters.
17 He rescued me from my powerful enemies,
from those who hated me and were too strong for me.
18 They attacked me at a moment when I was in distress,
but the Lord supported me.
19 He led me to a place of safety;
he rescued me because he delights in me.
20 The Lord rewarded me for doing right;
he restored me because of my innocence.
21 For I have kept the ways of the Lord;
I have not turned from my God to follow evil.
22 I have followed all his regulations;
I have never abandoned his decrees.
23 I am blameless before God;
I have kept myself from sin.
24 The Lord rewarded me for doing right.
He has seen my innocence.
25 To the faithful you show yourself faithful;
to those with integrity you show integrity.
26 To the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.
27 You rescue the humble,
but you humiliate the proud.
28 You light a lamp for me.
The Lord, my God, lights up my darkness.
29 In your strength I can crush an army;
with my God I can scale any wall.
30 God’s way is perfect.
All the Lord’s promises prove true.
He is a shield for all who look to him for protection.
31 For who is God except the Lord?
Who but our God is a solid rock?
32 God arms me with strength,
and he makes my way perfect.
33 He makes me as surefooted as a deer,
enabling me to stand on mountain heights.
34 He trains my hands for battle;
he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.
35 You have given me your shield of victory.
Your right hand supports me;
your help has made me great.
36 You have made a wide path for my feet
to keep them from slipping.
37 I chased my enemies and caught them;
I did not stop until they were conquered.
38 I struck them down so they could not get up;
they fell beneath my feet.
39 You have armed me with strength for the battle;
you have subdued my enemies under my feet.
40 You placed my foot on their necks.
I have destroyed all who hated me.
41 They called for help, but no one came to their rescue.
They even cried to the Lord, but he refused to answer.
42 I ground them as fine as dust in the wind.
I swept them into the gutter like dirt.
43 You gave me victory over my accusers.
You appointed me ruler over nations;
people I don’t even know now serve me.
44 As soon as they hear of me, they submit;
foreign nations cringe before me.
45 They all lose their courage
and come trembling from their strongholds.
46 The Lord lives! Praise to my Rock!
May the God of my salvation be exalted!
47 He is the God who pays back those who harm me;
he subdues the nations under me
48 and rescues me from my enemies.
You hold me safe beyond the reach of my enemies;
you save me from violent opponents.
49 For this, O Lord, I will praise you among the nations;
I will sing praises to your name.
50 You give great victories to your king;
you show unfailing love to your anointed,
to David and all his descendants forever. Psalm 18 1:50 NLT

Expressed his feelings he (David) certainly did. But it's really about a Biblical message that we should get out of this Psalm or any other Psalm for that matter.

We see that David was in danger from his enemies such as from the murderous King Saul. But David found God to be a just God who rescues people in His perfect timing. He believed God would provide the ability to stand sure-footed like a deer and that He would place him on high places away from danger out of the reach of his enemies like the deer stands on rocky cliffs out of the reach of its predators. David understood his need for God's protection and recognized God was his only hope.

David acknowledged God as "my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety" (verse 2).

David knew only God could rescue him from his enemies and he trusted God to make his feet like the deer's that would enable him to stand on mountain heights away from danger.

We, too, can trust in this good and protective God to provide rescue and safety for us as well. While physical protection on God's green earth is not promised, the Holy Bible reminds us that our ultimate enemies are sin and death.

We Read in Scripture:

21 So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:21 NLT

Our Creator Almighty God sent His son, Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, to live a sinless life and provide the ultimate sacrifice to set us free from these enemies.

We Read in Scripture:

2 And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. Romans 8:2 NLT

So Our Creator Almighty God has indeed, already provided a way for us to stand sure-footed and out of danger like the deer in Israel.

 

Salvation may be "his will" -- but this is not what Matt 7: 21 is referring to...

This passage refers to what people must do to gain entrance through the pearly gates. and Isaiah 53 is no help with what Jesus means in this passage. What Jesus means - is given in the Sermon he has just given .. The Sermon on the Mount.

 

You keep referring to scriptures for direction or an answer as if the scriptures were more a hindrance than a help for you. I am saying that you should ask God himself.
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

Scripture may be a hindrence to you .. but do not project your falings onto others. The claim that God is going to answer your questions directly - is self delusion. Demonstrably so.

If you would like to prove this to yourself ... I have a few "Tough Questions" you can "Ask of God" - and you know as well as I - that you will fail to get an answer from God .. prior to me even asking the question.

 

Huh? It was you who asked the question, (what is Gods will for us?) So I showed you where the Savior and one of his Apostles counseled the reader/listener to ask God. If you don't want to do that, then why ask? Either you are double minded or I'm not understanding you. And btw, depending on the nature of what you seek, God does answer questions directly if it is germane to your salvation.

 

Great that God answers your questions directly .. I have yet to convince him to do the same for me .. but have attended Pentecostal Churches where some of the attendees "Speaking in Tongues" get questions answered directly by God .. via the Holy Spirit of Course.

These folks asked many varied questions .. all of which I suppose they must have believed were germane to salvation according to you.. and what question wouldn't be ... sans some made up silliness. Regardless .. any question related to deeds would be germane to salvation..as per scripture "The Will of the Father" as told to us in the Sermon on the Mount . your claim that this will being "Salvation" being abject nonsense .. and way off the mark .. Sure God wants us to enter Heaven .. but this does not tell us what the Father wills us to do in order to get into heaven.

So .. Question 1 == Should children be killed for the sin's of their parents and/or others .. or should they not be killed for the sins of their parents - and/or others.