Patriotic or just plain stupid?

I saw an interview with two of these "millionaires" the other day and came to the same conclusion I have always had; you don't need to be very smart to be rich. These idiots proved my case.

These morons are begging the Government to take more of their income because they don’t need it all and believe that this is somehow a Patriotic thing. I say it is outright retarded and cannot imagine the agenda of morons like these when they make such idiot claims.

First off; if they cared so much and believed they are making too much money, who is stopping them from signing the bottom of their tax forms and sending a check for all that excess wealth they have obtained that they believe they are poorly equipped to spend and want to give to BIG Government?

Secondly; if they had a historic clue, they would see that this nation has never suffered from a revenue problem and that every time taxes were increased, they did little to stop the out of control spending of partisan politicians who pander to moronic constituents who think they are entitled to something for nothing.

Dear Rich idiots; do some homework before you write those checks to Uncle Sam in the idiot belief that this will bring fiscal sanity to our politics. Oh that's right, you haven't written any checks YET; this is just more political posturing that makes you feel like you care more than anyone else by doing absolutely NOTHING.


Patriotic Millioniares For Fiscal Strength

We are writing to urge you to put our country ahead of politics.

For the fiscal health of our nation and the well-being of our fellow citizens, we ask that you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000.

We make this request as loyal citizens who now or in the past earned an income of $1,000,000 per year or more.

Our country faces a choice – we can pay our debts and build for the future, or we can shirk our financial responsibilities and cripple our nation’s potential.

Our country has been good to us. It provided a foundation through which we could succeed. Now, we want to do our part to keep that foundation strong so that others can succeed as we have.

Please do the right thing for our country. Raise our taxes.

Thank you,[/I]
http://patrioticmillionaires.org/

 

Rich people ARE smart and they are Blessed and have their wealth for a reason!!

1.They are smarter than us and earned it
2. They made the money with their successful business
3.They create job to give their money to for good reason WITHOUT taxes
4. Their homes pay taxes and they contribute to their community more than liberals do

The only nonrich idiots would be saying "oh please tax me more i need to lose my money" perhaps this is because liberals who are rich did not earn it but rather stole it from republicans?? hmm..

just my 2 cent

 

Quoted for truth.

 

The concept that there are individuals who would be willing to self sacrifice their own personal best interest for a policy that is for the betterment of the nation as a whole, is obviously a completely foreign and unimaginable idea to many of our conservative friends.

 

Mkay; Scotty, beam this one up!

 

Once again you would be wrong; but at least you are painfully consistent.

These individuals are doing what most liberals are very good at; a lot of talk, but with very little walk.

So tell me sage Liberal defender; why do these people need the Government to mandate they pay more? What is preventing them from sending all that excess wealth they deem they do not need to Washington in the form of a HUGE check along with their tax returns?

 

WTF. What nonsense.

Yes, they are smarter, and they earned this stealing it from the workers

They made money with the help of government, and for this their business were successful.

Yeah, and for this while they have more earnings than never, you have the greatest tax of unemployment, contradictory. They only want to earn money, they aren't social caritative people.

And for the last point I will answer it in other thread that I've created.

 

Which tax? If they are the ones that pay less. The taxes are paid by the poor

 

Its not nice to call people names like that. Look ,what they are saying is that our gov't is ia little strapped for cash right now. I know the right wing talking point is "we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem" c'mon get real here. to go around repeating that makes one look a little simple minded. For example, In your household budget say something happen,whether it be a big expense from a auto breakdown, illness, watever, at the end of the month your bills exceed your income. This is where our gov't is right now. There are 3 remedies. 1 Increase you income( for the gov' that means raise taxes or improve economy so more workers paying taxes) 2
Cut spending 3 Combination of 1&2 . Back to the point. These people are not saying that they personally can solve this problem, All rich people should step up to the plate and pay a little more. not just them.If we would have let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire at the end of last year ,half of our deficit would already be gone. Sen Ryans budget gives them even a bigger tax cut, further reducing revenue. What say you?

 

And once again we have baseless self proclamation from you, which is what anyone whose read more than two of your posts would expect.

Why on earth would any rational person do that? A few individuals sending more money isn't going to help, we need a policy of increased tax revenues.

 

No; what they are saying is that they think that by defending the indefensible which is out of control expansion of Government, out of control spending and the asinine notion that if the citizens of this great nation were just forced to carry a larger burden and have more of their hard earned wealth confiscated, the Government would balance its budget and pay down the debt.

What is missing from the dialogue is that history has shown that this has never been the case.

Wrong; but at least you are consistent. The “simple” minds are ranting about increasing taxes. Yet when they controlled all facets of Government they did NOTHING.

The “simple” minds will also falsely claim that these are “right wing” talking points but the FACTS suggest exactly that. It is those with the “simple” minds who cannot fathom reality and argue for ever expanding government control into our lives and the continuing erosion of civil liberties based on the retarded concept that highly placed arrogant Liberals should be our “deciders” of what is a just amount of wealth individuals can keep and know better how to spend our hard earned wealth than we do.

It is an idiot concept that can only be constantly spewed by those with “simple” minds and who wallow in denial and ignorance.

Now back to reality land; the Government has been spending more than it takes in for decades; this isn’t about emergencies. This is about a failed Progressive Liberal ideology who saw opportunity in disaster and implemented a Government spending binge that now exceeds $1.5 trillion and has increased the national debt to over $15 trillion. Only those with “simple” minds think that this is something that can be solved by empowering an irresponsible bureaucracy through confiscation of even more of our wealth.

Wrong again; the Government is where it is right now because Progressive liberal Democrats are clueless when it comes to managing their money but very aware of how to BUY morons votes by promising them something for nothing then demagoguing the people who pay all the bills claiming they do not pay enough.

I find it amazing that so many supposedly educated individuals fall for this moronic nonsense.

Cutting is the ONLY solution. Giving these butt clowns more tax revenue is like giving a drug addict more heroin to ease their pain. It doesn’t send the correct message that this time the American people are fed up with the lies, the distortions, the false promises and the simplistic claim that if only we gave the government more power over our lives and more heroin they would be healed.

If all the rich people stepped up and paid 100%; there would still be a budget deficit in the hundreds of billions and still be a continuing debt that is now almost growing exponentially thanks to the interest that continues to pile up the bills to the American people.

I see that you find reality, the facts and the historic record elusive.

This is nothing more than a vast pile of laughable bile; the Bush tax cuts didn’t get us into this mess. If the Bush tax cuts were allowed to have expired it would have made a few billion dent in a vastly increased $1.5 trillion deficit with no end in sight. The REALITY is that if all the millionaires in the USA gave up 100% of their income, the Government would still be in a deficit.

Giving addicts more of what they need has never cured the disease. This is why a Taxed Enough Already coalition has emerged; because they see no end to the insanity and it is time to say ENOUGH already!

Of course the “simple” minded among us gullibly fall for the false promises and rhetoric of Progressive Liberals who have never balanced anything in their lives and who have absolutely no intention to and like Michael the moron Moore will claim that there is plenty of money out there; we just have to find new and creative ways to steal from those who earned it.

I cannot imagine a more retarded point of view, except perhaps watching a few Liberal millionaires declare they make too much money and need Government to enact a law that will steal more of it because they are too stupid to figure out a way to spend for a good cause but Government does.

No it doesn’t; but you are free to post credible links from Ryan’s PROPOSALS (it is not a budget for those of you from Rio Linda) and make your case.

Once again I ask the "simple" minded among us; what nation has ever TAXED and SPENT a society into prosperity?

 

Rational people would not; but we are not talking about rational beings that make the false claim that if only Government intruded into our lives more and confiscated more of our hard earned wealth they could balance their budget.

These are arguments and claims made by morons who have no historical perspective on budget deficits and why they occur.

These irrational idiot arguments suggest that tax increases are the only answer to all our social problems and budget imbalances; but the historic record and facts suggest an entirely different picture.

Continuing to do what we have always done expecting different results is not only the definition of retarded, it is the ideology of Liberal Progressives who also hypocritically believe that BIG Government is a good thing, but only if their "deciders" are in charge.

 

The truly stupid are the ones who insist on paying more or less than their fair share.

 

I get in trouble calling you a moron, but I guess it's ok if you identify yourself that way.

You're ranting about strawman, because I certainly have never claimed that tax increases are the only way.

But please educate us, with reference to the historic record, the answer to all our social problems and budget imbalances without increasing tax revenues.

Exactly. So why do you expect continuing with the Bush tax cuts will lead to different results? Are you retarded? Is it your ideology of Conservative Reactionaries who hypocritically believe that running up BIG debt is a good thing?

 

Truth Dector,
You like to talk history and what works, Well lets go back.Reagon had the first trillion dollar budget. He lowered taxes and raised spending trying to get us out of a resession. It kind of worked but ballooned the deficit.Papa Bush was so worried about the defict causing inflation that he raisaed taxes, although he had promised not to in his campaign, (Read my lips, no new taxes) . It cost him his second term. Then comes Clinton. Raise taxes and by the time he left office the budget was balanced. Along comes baby Bush, Lower taxes, by the time he left office and our economy was ready to collapse.Tarpwas passed while he was still in office. Remember McCain put his campain on hold while he went back to Washington to deal with the CRISIS. Massive spending was the only solution according to the Republicans at the time. The dems take over and now they say all that spending is the cause of the problem and put the blame on Obama. Now they suggest we return to the old Bush policies. That is what got us here. What don't you understand?

 

So these are voluntarily asking for their taxes to be increased so that people like you wouldnt have to suffer from as much and you're trying to save their money from themselves?

..What has fox news done to you? Do they have some kind of a mind control machine over there?

Conservative americans are the most retarded group on earth.

 

This thread is too stupid for any other words but these.

 

How amusing that you think a childish personal insult will somehow make you appear less uninformed and clueless.

Because you are a hypocrite who claims that the Bush Tax cuts are the reason we have a deficit problem, LIE, you support Obama who spent us into a $1.5 trillion deficit but still whine about the $160 billion when Republicans were in charge, you avoid facts like Clinton avoided being honest about bopping interns, and you constantly blather the forum with this idiot notion that if we only taxed the RICH bastards more the Government would suddenly stop spending more than it takes in; how retarded is that?

The historic record is clearly not on the side of the clueless TAX more cabal you represent. But please tell US how taxing Americans at ever higher rates is going to improve the situation for the poor, the homeless and those who are in need of care? I would love to see this because Liberal Progressives have been claiming this for decades and controlled the purse strings for most of the last six decades with absolutely NOTHING but failure to show for it.

Why do you think ending them will?

Are you?

Absolutely not Mr. Strawman; but apparently it is with Liberal Progressives like you. The sad part of your laughably uninformed diatribe is that you continue to whine about Bush, who is no longer in office, while Democrats and Obama have spent us into the deepest hole this nation has ever seen. Yet you seem to believe that the solution is higher taxation; how clueless can that solution be? Historically It has never led to balanced budgets, just fatter bureaucracies and massive amounts of debt.

If that does not appear “retarded” I am not sure what would be.

 

We should first establish that there is a difference between well off people who contribute to society and those who do not.
Trust fund babies come to mind first, Hollywood, sports figures etc.
I am not saying that these people are all dumber than a box of rocks, and that their consuming may not contribute to society somewhat, but lets face it, Paris Hilton and Charlie Sheen being mentioned in the same context as Bill Gates? Really?

 

Smoke and Mirrrors for the sheople. They just want people to believe heavier taxation is a good and neccessary thing.

They are prepping the populace for what is coming down the pike

 

You might want to review the historic record before you make yourself look less uninformed than you already are.

I have to laugh at the irony of Liberal Progressives who claim that Reagan RAISED taxes more than any other President when it suits them, but you now claim he lowered taxes.

Get some facts and get back to me when you have a clue okay?

The ONLY thing that worked was Reagan's ability to rally people to positive views of who we were. His rhetoric wasn't caustic and divisive like the morons who run the Democrat party.

People rallied and the economy did turn around again.

Bush was naive thinking that he could work WITH Democrats. After raising taxes, his pledge for no new taxes was constantly used against him by the very Democrats who whined that he had to raise them.

Lesson learned; never work with Democrats. Fight them and stay on message and principle. If they want to shut the Government down, let them.

Once again, and like your Liberal Progressive buddies, this is not what balanced the budget six years later. It was the FACT that Americans realized what a lying buffoon Clinton was and immediately elected Republicans in the majority in the House and the Senate. It was the Gingrich House who set the agenda for the next six years holding spending and cutting Government which finally got us to a nearly balanced budget.

The notion that raising taxes as being the panacea for budget deficits and economic booms and busts can only be expressed in ignorance of the historic record.

I challenge you to find one instance in history other than the desperate claim that Clinton did it, and show me where increases in marginal tax rates resulted in a balanced budget; just one.

Once again you are significantly lacking in facts; along comes Bush in the midst of a mild recession, then 9-11, then two wars of choice and the disaster of Hurricane Katrina; yet with all this, unemployment was 4.5% and the deficit by the time Americans were duped into electing Democrat majority, was down to a mere $161 billion.

Now since Democrats were in charge of everything, we have seen nothing but spend, spend, and more spending, no tax increases which seemed to be their mantra only when Republicans are in charge and we have nothing to show for it but malaise, trillion dollar deficits and inflation.

I am amazed how any Liberal can continue to whine about Bush tax cuts and deficits in the current climate when their morons have been in charge since 2007. Did they do anything about the mortgage problems we were facing; did they do anything to raise taxes to balance the budget? The answer is as plain as the nose on your uninformed skull.

You might want to view this video which illustrates the profound ignorance of Democrats in late 2004 when Republicans had concerns over the mortgage issues with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the balloon this was creating:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs"]YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]

…..and was voted for by the current moron who is President.

Wrong; it was a massive bailout which has, for the most part, been paid back with interest. The current budgetary mess we are facing has NOTHING to do with Tarp and EVERYTHING to do with Democrats passing an $800 billion pork laden joke of a bill which has done nothing of what was promised and a massive healthcare bill that will cost trillions regardless of the false rhetoric and idiot claims to the contrary.

FACT: last year Republicans held the purse strings the deficit was $161 billion.

FACT: last year Democrats held the purse strings the deficit was $1.6 trillion.

Why do you continue to AVOID the facts, truth and reality? NO Government ever borrowed and spent its nation into prosperity; that is just a fact.

No one is suggesting a return to "Bush" policies. That is a false claim by Liberal Progressives who do not accept the TRUTH that their guys are a bunch of fiscal morons who have nearly brought this country to its knees and piled on a massive debt bomb that will take generations to correct.

What is being suggested is FISCAL SANITY and forcing Government to spend WITHIN its means and remove the vast economy destroying Government from the shoulders of the American people so they can do what Americans do best; innovate and create jobs.

This notion that Government can be the "decider" of what is acceptable wealth, that it can be the "decider" of how to care for our people or that it can be the "decider" of how to spend Americans hard earned wealth is a massive fraud being perpetuated by Democrat morons who have never been fiscally responsible and who hypocritically claim Government is good, but ONLY if their "deciders" are in charge.

What don't you understand?

 

There you go again with the typical empty headed nonsense whose substance consists of nothing more than "because you say so."

Thanks for once again adding NOTHING to the dialogue and doing nothing more than troll the thread; which is apparently your forte'.

 

Why couldn't have have done both?

Overall he lowered them, but when they realized that their low tax rates had quadrupled the deficits, Reagan signed the largest tax increase of all time.

You should get some facts, as well as the rest of the conservatives.

We could use a dose of Reagan's tax increase policy now.

It was the Republicans who used it against him.

Shouldn't that be never work with Republicans?

Sure, we saw what great spending cutters the Republicans were once Clinton was out of the WH and Bush was in:


Year - % chng outlays
1993 2.0% <-Clinton pres; Dem Congress
1994 3.7%
1995 3.7% <-Republican Congress
1996 2.9%
1997 2.6%
1998 3.2%
1999 3.0%
2000 5.1%
2001 4.1% <-Bush pres
2002 7.9%
2003 7.4%
2004 6.1%
2005 7.9%
2006 7.4%

Anyone see a trend there?

Please explain who the historical record of revenues growing far faster than the economy after the tax increase did not affect the deficits.

"Other than Clinton" LOL at least now you've finally learned you have to add that.

1950 - top tax rate increased from 82% to 91%

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

1951 - budget goes from $3 billion deficit to $6 billion surplus:

Year - deficit(-)/surplus(+)
1950 -3,119
1951 +6,102

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historicals

Next time you'll have to rephrase your question to be: "I challenge you to find one instance in history other than the desperate claim that Clinton did it and other than the desaparate claim Eisenhower did it, and show me where increases in marginal tax rates resulted in a balanced budget; just one.

hehheh

Down from a surplus of $236 billion? Wow, impressive.

Now since Democrats were in charge of everything, we have seen nothing but spend, spend, and more spending, no tax increases which seemed to be their mantra only when Republicans are in charge and we have nothing to show for it but malaise, trillion dollar deficits and inflation.

I am amazed how any Liberal can continue to whine about Bush tax cuts and deficits in the current climate when their morons have been in charge since 2007. Did they do anything about the mortgage problems we were facing; did they do anything to raise taxes to balance the budget? The answer is as plain as the nose on your uninformed skull.

You might want to view this video which illustrates the profound ignorance of Democrats in late 2004 when Republicans had concerns over the mortgage issues with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the balloon this was creating:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs"]YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]




…..and was voted for by the current moron who is President.



Wrong; it was a massive bailout which has, for the most part, been paid back with interest. The current budgetary mess we are facing has NOTHING to do with Tarp and EVERYTHING to do with Democrats passing an $800 billion pork laden joke of a bill which has done nothing of what was promised and a massive healthcare bill that will cost trillions regardless of the false rhetoric and idiot claims to the contrary.



FACT: last year Republicans held the purse strings the deficit was $161 billion.

FACT: last year Democrats held the purse strings the deficit was $1.6 trillion.

Why do you continue to AVOID the facts, truth and reality? NO Government ever borrowed and spent its nation into prosperity; that is just a fact.



No one is suggesting a return to "Bush" policies. That is a false claim by Liberal Progressives who do not accept the TRUTH that their guys are a bunch of fiscal morons who have nearly brought this country to its knees and piled on a massive debt bomb that will take generations to correct.

What is being suggested is FISCAL SANITY and forcing Government to spend WITHIN its means and remove the vast economy destroying Government from the shoulders of the American people so they can do what Americans do best; innovate and create jobs.

This notion that Government can be the "decider" of what is acceptable wealth, that it can be the "decider" of how to care for our people or that it can be the "decider" of how to spend Americans hard earned wealth is a massive fraud being perpetuated by Democrat morons who have never been fiscally responsible and who hypocritically claim Government is good, but ONLY if their "deciders" are in charge.



What don't you understand?[/QUOTE]

 

You already explained why:

Are you trying to say that these individuals are not the norm? That most rich people do NOT want to be taxed more?

I thought you just said they are "willing to self sacrifice their own personal best interest for a policy that is for the betterment of the nation as a whole". Did you change your mind?

 

Do you have figures since Obama was elected? Is it just an accident that you stopped at 2006?