Pennsylvania gay marriage ban struck down-

The Bible says to kill gays....do you support that, CD?

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The war against your sister, perhaps?

 

Where did Christ say to do that?

 

CD said "the Bible"....I said "the Bible"

Want Chapter and Verse?

 

So we who are under Christ have never been told to kill anyone. Thank you.

 

kurtz, cupid dave was discussing the Bible and gays.....I was discussing the Bible and gays.

Do you DENY that the Bible says to kill gays? I doubt it....becuase know I can cite Chapter and Verse.

So on WHAT I SAID to cupid....you cannot dispute me. Can you?

 

So what does the Bible have to do with Christians with respect to gays?

Do you DENY that Christ admonishes us to love everyone? Do you DENY that those in Christ do not live under the Law?

So what I said to you in regards of what Christians are told to do has nothing to do with your lame attempt to characterize Christians as anti gay by using the OT. Can you dispute that? .

 

the people can vote to ban all marriage in a state, they can not vote to only ban it for reasons of gender or race...

 

"What does the Bible have to do with Christians with respect to gays?"????

What does the Bible have to do with Christians on ANY subject??? or are you a Christian who "doesn't believe in the Bible"?


And again, cupid dave was using the Bible to attack gays.....I asked him if he REALLY supported the Bible when it came to gays.

He didn't say "Christians"...he didn't say "New Testament"....he said "Bible". You just don't like it that I'm right....the BIBLE (which yes, DOES include the Old Testament)....says to kill gays. In Leviticus.

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tex would have a case....if a state banned ALL marriages for EVERYBODY.

Maybe that's a route the antipathetic-to-gay-rights folks can try???

 

Why would I dislike the fact that God commanded the killing of many people in the OT? Of course that verse exists in the OT as do many other verses about killing. Now what YOU don't like is the fact that Christians are told to love people. Even gays. Hate the sin, love the sinner. No matter how hard haters like yourself try to connect that Leviticus verse to Christians, you'll fail and be called out on it.

 

He signed a reality TV deal with the Oprah Network who was there to film the kiss. Im sure it will be in the first episode.

 

Yeah, so much for this theory of a constitutional right to marriage. And you cant ban what does not exist.

And the argument that most of these court cases creating gay marriage use is dependent upon the claim that the limitation is based upon sexual orientation.

 

He was forced to, by the way they wrote the constitution......

 

I disagree, the people who wrote the 14th Amendment in 1860ish never intended for it to apply to two men getting hitched. The most liberal abolitionists would have been rolling in the aisles laughing at the idea.

 

trust me, the people will never vote to ban all marriage as it's a right they are not willing to give up without a fight

 

From your state in 1870

"Any unmarried male of the age of 18 years or upward and any unmarried female of the age of 15 years old or upward are capable of consenting to and consummating marriage... "

Physical impossibility for two people of the same sex to consummate a marriage.

 

Yes it's always really been about the fear of the loss of patriarchy, that isn't really news to me.

 

Yeah, maybe they didn't foresee it, but once same sex marriage becomes legal in one state, those couples need to be treated the same under the law, or the law gets thrown out. And Same Sex Marriage has been legal in the United States for 10 years now.....

 

I would argue there is no constitutional right to marriage. There used to be when the law made it illegal for a man to have sexual relations with a woman who is not their wife. Made it illegal to even cohabitate with a woman who is not their wife. There is a constitutional right to have sexual relations and create a family. As long as the law required marriage in order to create a family, there was a constitutional right to marriage. As the supreme court has said,

"We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."

and

"It is not surprising that the decision to marry has been placed on the same level of importance as decisions relating to procreation, childbirth, child rearing, and family relationships. . . .

It would make little sense to recognize a right of privacy with respect to other matters of family life and not with respect to the decision to enter the relationship that is the foundation of the family in our society......

Surely, a decision to marry and raise the child in a traditional family setting must receive equivalent protection. And, if appellee's right to procreate means anything at all, it must imply some right to enter the only relationship in which the State of Wisconsin allows sexual relations legally to take place."

Even in the UN

Article 16.
•(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
•(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
•(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Never in our nations history has the law required two people of the same sex to be married in order to engage in sexual relations.

 

Yes, you are absolutely correct in this.

Matriarchies form when Feminism rises up and make sex a business conducted through women and using men as customers in one way or another.
A patriarchy is destroyed and the women rule thru Political correctness, instead of the Institution of Politics.

Then we see ever social institution torn down and destroyed:

The Institution of Marriage is under assault in regard to Gayness and No Fault Divorce.

The Institution of Education has mothers siding with students, not teachers.

The Cultural Institution is full of abortions, Welfare, illegitimacy, 14 years of pre-marriage teenage sex, and half the kids suffering child abuse because they are fatherless.

The Military Institution is now mercenary.

The Economic Institution suffers low wages because the Unskilled Labor Force has doubled as women work and manage families at the same time.

The Political Institution is divided into Liberals VS Consevatives such that nothing gets done.


Christ set down the rules for a middle ground between the Jewish/Muslim patriarchy and matriarchy.
He suggested No Divorce and no fornication without marriage, where one man marries one women, forever, if SHE says OK.

 

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Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet

 

Yet another thing it's wrong about. But while I'm no scholar, I'm fairly certain it doesn't actually say that. Not that it would matter if it did.

 

So you don't believe sexual promiscuity ends with Child Abuse because of Fatherless Kids?????


The Facts seem to be backing the Bible up:

Biological, 2 parent home is safest environment for children
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc...-environment-f

WASHINGTON, D.C., May 8, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A new study just released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reveals that children living in traditional, two-parent biological families are overwhelmingly safer than children living with just one biological parent or with non-parental caregivers.

 

It's actually a lot more complicated than this, states don't determine federal policy.

 

The "problem" is us, the sexually promiscuous adults that create fatherless bastards which suffer Child Abuse because they do not marry before sex and have half the babies born onto Welfare now.

And that requires that they kill a half again in Abortions or American Welfare would be double.
Unless women STOP the sexual promiscuity and return to marriage, these kids will be fatherless abused people and Gay marriage makes little difference at all.

 

This isn't gender or race. This is sexual preference. Both genders can marry. Old trick Fresh.