People need to recalibrate vaccine expectations

...and the shots are killing many, maiming many more.

 

From the CDC:

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/

One of the most nagging questions about the COVID-19 pandemic for public health authorities, policymakers and the public was whether the vaccines stop transmission.

New Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data show that in breakthrough cases of the highly transmissible delta variant, the answer is no.

The newly released report showing that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders drove the recent decision by the CDC to once again recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors where case counts are high or substantial.​

So, if the vaccines do not cause the spread of the virus, how did we get from the vaccine to the vaccinated, to the vaccinated superspreaders, without first being begotten of the vaccine?

 

You use words like "propagandists", "scientists", "they". Start with the word "I".

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/

https://www.science.org/news/2020/0...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

 

Provide your statistics for thise maimed and who died as a result of the shots.

Eleuthra at this point you advance a repudiated conspiracy theory with no facts. I appreciate you are not interested in any information about the vaccines unless it conforms to your conspiracy story but the actual story you repeat was repudiated and you never provide actual evidence. You have in the past avoided answering directly with stats and simply providing more subjective opinions.

I think there comes a point when if you have no evidence you at least acknowledge that. I wont' hold my breath.

 

Don't hold your breath. There is a reason why I ignore the posts posted by this user. Debating with him is a complete waste of time, and he should heed the site administrator's recommendation for this kind of idea to be exclusively posted to the Conspiracy Theories subforum. This user posts nothing but unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. For example, someone alerted me to the fact that he posted that the vaccines caused the emergence of the Delta variant. The Delta variant's genome was first uploaded from India on October 5, 2020. So it was likely already circulating for a couple of months prior to that. But even if we take the October 5, 2020 date, vaccinations in India only started 3 and a half months later, on January 16, 2021. So short of a time travel machine which last I checked hasn't been invented yet, the vaccines couldn't have caused the Delta variant. When confronted to this fact, of course this poster just ignored it, looked the other way, and continued to post his conspiracy theories nonsense. Why waste any time debating with him? Conspiracy theorists can't be dissuaded by facts. They will ignore all facts that debunk the garbage they believe in, and will just keep plowing ahead. Apparently this user fought back (so I was told because I don't read him) by saying that I'm a lackey of the Big Pharma that makes these vaccines. I've never been employed by, or paid by (in any way, shape, or form, direct or indirect) by Big Pharma, and I don't even own stocks from them. But hey, that wouldn't stop this guy from making assumptions about me, LOL.

 

According to Fauci, we're going to need yet a 3rd vaccine. I'm beginning to think these vaccines are more like vaccine bandaids than they are actual vaccines that provide a durable efficacy. About equivalent to a 6-month flu shot, with unreliable results.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/02/cov...surprised-if-full-regimen-is-three-doses.html

 

Ironic indeed.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/

 

That simply isn't true. In May, 15% of those dying were vaccinated. In addition to that, the vaccinated can also spread the virus.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/

 

When it comes to dying, I wouldn't call 15% a very small number.

 

VAERS and the Yellow Card system in Britain. Do your own research Death. It's out there for the curious mind.

For those with their ears, eyes and lips covered, there is no hope.

 

The fact I do not agree with you does not mean I am not curious or have not done research. There is always a presumption of superiority in your responses Eleuthera and an assumption if someone does not agree with you they are inferior to you. Maybe you should do research into why you automatically presume people who do not agree with your perceptions are the negative stereotypes you throw at them.

You also need to finish your thoughts and provide something other than your subjective perceptions don't you think at this point? You throw out the yellow card system....and? What people must immediately conclude its part of a government conspiracy because you say so?

At this point you provide zero proof of anything Eleuthera, You simply throw out a repeating subjective bias based on anything disagreeing with your beliefs as being part of a conspiracy. What if there is no conspiracy. What if you see what you see as a result of autism that lends to such a perception? What if what you see is just as much an illusion you think other people have bought into for the exact same reasons?

You see any irony in the fact that the very reason you think other people are duped could be the reason you are?

You see sure your God is the only God out there?

 

Well you do have a point.

 

Maybe the difference between me and you is that there was a time in my life, early in 2020, when I believed the official narrative. I worshipped the ground Anthony Fauci walked on, believed every word he said.

It took me about 2 or 3 months to realize I had been duped, not for the first time in my life.

You and so many more have still not realized you (we) were all duped. That's a personal problem for you, not me.

 

Indeed. And I've read they're finding that the immune response fades with time as well. Another great article about the vaccines, by a doctor - a doctor who still recommends the vaccine, but wants to cut through the BS:

Let's Stop Pretending About the Covid-19 Vaccines
https://www.realclearscience.com/ar...nding_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html
Let’s stop pretending the vaccines are 90% effective and breakthrough cases are “uncommon.”
Remarkably, the CDC is still proclaiming that vaccine breakthrough infections are rare - but when normal people hear that their barber, their cousin’s husband, and seemingly half the New York Yankees’ starters have experienced breakthrough infections, they might assume the CDC is lying.
Let’s stop pretending that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread SARS-CoV-2.
A thorough study from Singapore showed that vaccinated cases dropped their viral load faster -- but viral loads were identical in days 1-5, when, logically, we might think most transmission takes place. Lacking a proper household transmission study post-delta, it’s simply not good science to assume the vaccinated spread less Covid-19 once they get infected.
Vaccine mandates and vaccine “passports” are often justified as necessary to reduce transmission of contagious diseases, but I don’t think the evidence is adequate at this point to make this claim for the Covid-19 vaccines. The substantial outbreaks in exceptionally well-vaccinated places like Israel, Malta and Vermont make it clear that pushing up vaccination rates does not guarantee control of Covid-19.
Let’s stop pretending that it’s rare for vaccinated people to develop severe Covid-19 or die.
We saw this in the UK, where deaths among the vaccinated went from “rare” to two-thirds of all delta variant deaths by July. We saw this in Israel, where literally no fully vaccinated people died of covid-19 for entire weeks in June, but by August over 60% of the severely ill were fully vaccinated.
Let’s stop pretending that prior infection should not influence the decision to vaccinate.
So - what does the science say? It says: barring new evidence, there is no clear benefit to immunizing those with confirmed prior infection. Common sense suggests there is a good chance these people would benefit from at least one (and possibly only one) shot as a “booster,” especially after 6 months or more have passed since the time of infection, especially with a more transmissible variant on the loose - but that’s common sense, not good quality data.

 

No please do not presume because I disagree with your conspiracy theories I have a personal problem. That again is you assuming anyone who disagrees with you has something wrong with them. That assumption is illogical and why I challenge you. I could using our very reasoning claim you have a personal problem for disagreeing with not just me but Fauci and others.

Next I do not hero worship anyone let alone Dr. Fauci. I would however if given the choice between him or you, listen to him not you. He is a physician you are not. You base your knowledge on what you subjectively agree with from the internet. I do not.

With due respect Eleuthera the superiority complex the conspiracy beliefs gives you is not germaine to the issues-the data you provide would be but you haven't provided any. What you do provide is subjective opinions.

 

The CDC website now has less credibility than any other left wing blog. Sorry, that's just the facts. They did it to themselves, playing politics before science.

 

Ok sorry I am editing this. I have read this site. I will respond again.

 

No that is not the facts, its your subjective opinion and you need to get it clear that your subjective opinions or the subjective opinions of others you quote are not facts.

 

Here for those of you who have problems differentiating your opinions from actual facts:

https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-fact-and-opinion.html

 

So the CDC is never wrong, lol? Here's just one TINY example:
After Months of Fear Mongering, CDC Admits They Had it Wrong
https://trendingrightwing.com/after-months-of-fear-mongering-cdc-admits-they-had-it-wrong/
In a third major revision just since May, the CDC added that it was “possible” that it spreads through airborne transmission.

 

Which one of those facts are wrong - please tell me what source and which doctor you're citing which refutes the medical doctor I quoted. Thanks.

 

I learned fact from opinion in Mrs. Parker's second grade class. I'm old enough to have lots of experience practicing it, yet young enough to be really quick at it.

 

Odds of a ‘breakthrough’ COVID-19 infection worsen with delta variant

snip....

 

I missed the small print as to where this article came from. Now I have found it and of course you skipped thus comment:

"Do I still recommend a Covid-19 vaccine for the vast majority of my patients? Yes. It just takes a couple extra minutes to discuss
now "

Also the issues he argues are well stated from his perspective. Thanks for that article.

 

How did I "skip the comment" when my post (which you quoted just now) says "a doctor who still recommends the vaccine, but wants to cut through the BS"?

What part of that was above your reading level?