Permissive Sex Ed Linked to Higher Pregnancy, Abortion Rates.

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  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moral relativity huh? So you think it's 'moral' for your son to f- my underage daughter? Do you see the problem with your 'morality?'
     
  2. WhatNow!?

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    You're right, parents can only do so much and some parenst do nothing....what "should" be isn't what is.....and humans have to deal with what is.

    ALL children, despite their lack of being parented, deserve to know facts, whether it's "don't charge anything if you don't have any money" to ""use BC if you're dumb enough to screw around"....not all kids get that education at home and it's better for them to get accurate information from school than from friends or the internet or the bus driver...

    Not all children are raised in abject fear of their parents , not all are threatened with abandonment if they make a mistake...that's may be your style but not everyone's and right or wrong kids shouldn't have to pay for it...
     
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    Wow great way to be a parent, put the fear into them, make it like sex is something dirty and bad, enforce draconian measures on them with dire threats of being cast out of their home . .sounds more like a borstal than a home.
     
  4. danielpalos

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    Enabling people in obtaining contraceptives which may prevent any need for the medical procedure of abortion, would go a long way to help less mature persons become better parents, someday.
     
  5. Allie Licious

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    Sorry, in responsible households (outside of the inner cities) it's "In our family we believe, and live by the belief, that children should not have sex, and we will do whatever we have to to prevent you from having to deal with this adult issue." It's an adult thing, and adults deal with it. Or kids get pregnant, and spread stds, and have babies at 13 with meth dealers.

    You tell your kids that this is not their choice to make, that it is a decision for adults only, and that if they cannot control themselves, then you will place controls upon them.

    You dont' say, "Hey, I don't expect you to avoid sex cuz kids gotta screw! Here's a pack of ciggies and some condoms, kid. Don't bring any brats around here!"

    What a nauseating approach to parenthood.
     
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    I believe we may be expecting too much from morals we, as parents, are not able to establish ourselves.
     
  7. Fugazi

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    now where did I say that in anyway, shape or form .. please don't project your thoughts onto me.

    You know nothing of my morality, simply because I don't try to force others to live by my morals, you make assumptions which are wrong.

    You may want to read this

    http://logical-critical-thinking.co...s-morality-and-where-does-morality-come-from/

    though personally I don't agree with his conclusion that morality is inherent and internal within us.

    or this

    http://www.wiringthebrain.com/2011/06/where-do-morals-come-from.html
     
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    Ya know, oh moral one, I'm all for free speech but PF isn't a democracy and your crude language is getting old.....
     
  9. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Why do you insist on projecting your thoughts onto me and putting them like it is I who have said them ..
     
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    If one is immoral and then becomes moral they will have an extra hill to climb when instructing their kids but, responsible parents do this all the time. "Do as I say, not as I did" is a valid stance for a parent as long as the parent now 'walks the talk,'

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    What crude language? You are projecting.
     
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    The only thing I am going to 'enable' my kids to do is make good life choices. Underage sex is NOT one of those good choices. I know kids can get contraceptives, abortions, illegal drugs, alcohol etc. fairly easily. Being a PARENT means you do what you have to do to TEACH you kids morals and values in a world that seems to lack them.
     
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    Contraceptives and abortion are facts of life today. I doubt seriously if they will ever be banned however, as with many things, they should NOT be a substitute for good moral behavior. Kids need to be TAUGHT this. Throwing up one's hands and saying 'they're going to do it anyway' is negligence.
     
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    I believe better infrastructure in modern times is better for the general welfare than Iron Age morals for free, in those same modern times and under our form of Capitalism.
     
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    A perfectly valid point, although I don't see anybody here contesting it.
     
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    What sort of infra structure? Increased government oversight?

    How does that work out in terms of safety for women and children in, say, China?
     
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    I never mentioned "Iron Age Morals" and you provide no definition so, your post is irrelevant.
     
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    I think they are referring to 'soft' infrastructure such as schools. They want sex education, contraceptives, condoms and abortion to be part of the sex education 'infrastructure' for underage kids. The more little kids know about sex, the more approachable they will be for the pedophiles who typically secure jobs where they are close to children. Like in schools.
     
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    Talk as you talk? great instructions for those moral kids....
     
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    Bait post. A lame bait post, but a bait post all the same.
     
  20. Allie Licious

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    *Grooming*.
     
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    Oh yeah that sure makes sense. Because the Catholic Church has always been about teaching little kids about sex and that is why they have had so many pedophile priests.

    Oh wait...no the Catholic Church has been about not teaching about sex and they have had so many pedophile priests.

    Keeping kids ignorant about sex- and about sexual predators leaves children vulnerable about both. We teach children about fire safety in school- not because we want them to go out and start fires but because children need to know about fire safety.

    Pedophiles thrive on ignorance and denial.

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    Oh yeah that sure makes sense. Because the Catholic Church has always been about teaching little kids about sex and that is why they have had so many pedophile priests.

    Oh wait...no the Catholic Church has been about not teaching about sex and they have had so many pedophile priests.

    Keeping kids ignorant about sex- and about sexual predators leaves children vulnerable about both. We teach children about fire safety in school- not because we want them to go out and start fires but because children need to know about fire safety.

    Pedophiles thrive on ignorance and denial.
     
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    While to a certain degree I agree with some of this, you cannot enforce your morals onto another .. if you never make a mistake you never learn anything .. I would rather my children know the pitfalls of having sex and the ways in order to protect themselves than have them ignorant to the real world.

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    but this is what you want, increased government oversight as far as the womans right to chose is concerned, and what has China got to do with abortion in the US
     
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    Better roads and aqueduct enable a higher Standard of living.
     
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    Says an alleged conservative who lives in fear of walking in the shadow of the valley of pornography.
     
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    I think she is envious that the government in China can impose the States will on a women's reproduction rights
     

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