Permissive Sex Ed Linked to Higher Pregnancy, Abortion Rates.

"my contol panel" -> "edit ignore list".

Mine is nearing the century mark.

 

Good!! Its a a total failed policy!

 

what a surprise, my state isnt on the list.

 

I have no problem with teaching about teenage pregnancy and to scare the kids a bit about how having a child at a young age pretty much wrecks their future.

At the same time they should teach about the pill and condoms .. how the rythem method does not work .. and so forth.

One thing they should not do is teach that sex is "bad" .. or is only acceptable in the confines of marriage as this is simply not true.

They should also be teaching kids about abortion.

They should teach them that a single human cell is not a living human according to science .. but they could also state that there are some moral positions that value "potential" .. a potential human being.

They could also teach the religious perspective .. That the Catholic Church suggests that ensoulment happens at conception .. but on the other hand God commanded abortion in the Mosaic laws .. and some of the prophets prayed for God to cause abortions.

This would be a balanced approach .. giving kinds the main arguments that are out there ..so that they can make informed choices as adults.

 

Data takes years to compile.

And you need to decide if you're arguing that conservatism causes teen pregnancy, or if abstinence programs do. Because you've claimed both..and neither is true. The Southern states had the same rate before the abstinence programs went into effect; and their abortion rates are lower...so really, their pregnancy rates aren't higher at all.

This is the third time this has been pointed out. Eventually I'm sure it will sink in..or maybe you're deliberately dancing around it.

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Not as big a failure as the sex ed programs that actually teach kids how to have sex.

What's the abortion/pregnancy/std rate in inner city NYC schools?

 

No, it's not balanced. Not even close.

 

Actually it works quite well when reinforced properly with something called "parenting". And if these are the low expectations you have of the youth than you have set your sights quite low.

 

What Allie .. what is not balanced ?! Have you something to say !?

 

I'm just so floored, I'm not sure there's anything to say. No, it isn't balanced to teach children, in a schoolroom, that the bible advocates abortion, and that sex is good and marriage is not required....and that abortions are available to them...how is that "balanced"? It's just straight up advocating sex to kids, and regurgitating pp propaganda.

Obviously, I get that is your stance, but I'm flabbergasted that anyone would have the gall to pretend it's a "balanced' approach. It's straight up progressive moonbattery. I think you people have lost all touch with reality. You certainly have no concept of truth or fact.

 

There really isn't anything about "parenting" that will keep teenagers from having sex. That has been true for centuries. Unless, of course, you plan to lock your kid in the basement until you think he's old enough.

 

I appreciate your straitforward heartfelt response ... misguided as it is.

If I am not mistaken .. you are advocating teaching young adults a bunch of lies or at least half truths ?

First off .. we are not talking 10 yr olds here .. we are talking 16-18 yr old quickly moving into adulthood adolescents.

One thing I noticed was than when teachers lied .. the kids lost all respect for anything that they said. Tell them "pot was equivalent to heroin" .. some kid goes out and tries pot .. finds out its more like asprin .. tells the other kids .. not everything that teacher said is taken as BS.

All that good education about the dangers of Meth and other really scary drugs is pretty much a waste .. in a kids mind .. you lied to me about Pot so you anything you say about any other drug is suspect.

What do you want to tell kids about sex .... That its bad ? What happens when a kid looks around in the world .. TV, Movies, and so on .. and everything tells kid .. sex is good. The kid is going to ask you to explain yourself ?

What are you going to tell this kid.

As far as the Bible and Abortion - At some point this kid might have to make a serious life changing choice. They should not be making this decision based on false information.

Right now, most pro-life groups are attached to some religion .. and most of the ones ones that are not just hide it.
Regardless .. Religion is claiming .... Abortion is a Sin.

Is this true ? Does the Bible say "Abortion is always a Sin"

Every kid knows that abortion is available .. so why would you tell them otherwise ?

Is Marriage "required" for sex ? Says who ?

If you think that I have lost touch with reality and have no concept of truth or fact .. then you should easily be able to answer the questions that these kids .. and I have put forth.

 

so what would be your "balanced" teaching method then?

 

Abstinence-only works...........if your aim is to be a grandparent before senior prom

 

actually no... you have to teach kids that at conception a new life form is made. a new human being. not the mother and not the father. then they will be more careful.

they shouldnt teach that sex is bad. they should teach pride, and self determination. that you should wait for someone who is special to you before you have sex. it shouldnt be taught as recreation like it is now. but procreation and a special bond... what is really is.

 

So you think "good parents" prevent pregnancy?? LOL! That's quite naive.... I know a few who just didn't...


Many parents have parented really well for thousands of years but humans do what humans do and that is Have Sex....


You canNOT change human nature.......

 

No, preaching junk to young people does NOT stop them from having sex....there's a long long long history of humans not being more careful.

Sex can be recreational, it's fun, and you can't stop all those other people from having it.....

 

I love it that progressives teach children that having sex as children...which is ILLEGAL...isn't a "bad" thing.

It is bad for children to have sex. It's illegal, it leads to unintended pregnancies which puts them, and another human being, at risk. We teach our children that drinking alcohol at too young an age is a bad thing; we teach them that it's illegal to drive when they are under the legal age to do so...but progressives want us to teach them that sex is ok.

It's not ok, it's illegal. Kindly don't teach children that it's okay to engage in activities that lead to their exploitation while they're still in grade school.

 

sex can be recreational. but thats not its purpose. at the same time parents should choose for what they want their kids to be taught. i dont want my kids being taught that sex is just recreational. while thats what you want for your kids.

you cant force others to have sex.

 

Incidentally, the whole idea that sex is *good* and *natural* no matter what the age of the participants also come directly from Kinsey. His studies included observation of infants, as young as four months, being brought to *orgasm* while strapped to a board, and evidenced by the baby screaming. Based on that, he determined that sexuality is a natural condition that exists form birth.

 

I suppose there are certain things we'll just have to respectfully disagree on then. Being raised the way I was definitely helped me keep my pants on and respect women more than my peers ever did.

 

Specifically?

 

Wondered when you would show up to fling your bile on the thread...

Not all parents are created equal. Some are better than others. And even with the best of parenting, kids can still do remarkably stupid things - like having sex before marriage or as a minor period. Even with all this being said, parenting has a monumental influence on a child's potential for promiscuity. You don't have to agree with me, or even admit I'm right. Calling me naive does not make you correct, but it does make you look slightly less noteworthy in my view. But I've learned to not expect much from you.

Indeed, and they can do so within certain confines, it is a learned behavior like any other.

Your opinion, little else.

 

Being aware of my location, requiring that I check in- or they prowl my usual haunts looking for me, tangible consequences for bad behavior, teaching me to respect my elders, fellow man and women, teaching me the positive and the negative of sexual intercourse along with the potential outcomes.

Most importantly was when they took me shopping and had me do the shopping off of a hypothetical budget of what I could realistically earn. The wallet sends a message home - regardless of faith.

And I suppose my not being an utter ignoramus about it probably helped a little too.

 

I know you can't show where I said anything about forcing people to have sex.....so Lie No. 1

The purpose of sex is whatever the person having the sex wants it to be....I disregard your premise that humans are nothing more than broodstock....maybe that's what you and your children are but other people happily don't feel the same way....

 

The chart was for teen pregnancy. Not births. Oops.

The idiocy of "abstinence only" programs comes straight from wackadoodle "conservative" land along with so many other sociological myths.