Please explain how you can vote for Trump. Can you admit the real reason?

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  1. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blah, blah. blah. It is really simple, if the MSM and the power elite hate the candidate, that is the person to vote for. If the MSM want to scuttle Trump's chances, they should treat him like Joe Biden. If people see that money power wants Trump, they will see Trump as their enemy. What is odd is that people like you will vote for candidates that openly say they despise you.
     
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    Simple. Moral character doesn't matter anymore, - not even to evangelical Christians. Its all about entertainment and a campaign slogan (which is not even his own).

    This is why I support Haley, but it doesn't look like she is going to win

    Hate is another reason. No doubt about it. And the haters vote for more division with hopes that Trump will go after those who they hate.
     
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    I came in here to post this. Thank you. It is hatred for others that drives Trumpers to Trump. Nothing more. They don’t care if the country burns as long as Trump does things to piss off the LIBZ.
     
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    I can't bring myself to vote for either of the two buffoons. Is THIS really the best choices this country can come up with? WTF
     
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    History shows on average that 94% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats will vote for their party’s candidate/s regardless of who that candidate is. Trump’s a republican, so most republicans will vote for him just like Biden being a democrat, most democrats will vote for him. Call it what you will, party loyalty or even a party’s worst candidate is always better than the other party’s best candidate mentality. Those who belong or associate themselves with a political party vote the letter behind the name, not the candidates.


    Independents tend to vote the candidates, which candidate they like the best or against the candidate they dislike the most. They’ll be more apt to vote against a candidate, sometimes both that actually vote for a candidate. In 2016 independents disliked both major party candidates, 12% of them voted third party against both Clinton and Trump while quite a lot of them said to hell with it and stayed home. In 2020 independents disliked Trump much more than Biden, they voted for Biden 54-41 over Trump with 5% voting third party against both. But many more independents turned out to vote in 2020 that didn’t in 2016. Independents made up but 25% of those who voted in 2016, but 31% in 2020.


    Independents are more apt to stay home and not vote at all or vote third party when they dislike and don’t want neither major party candidate than those who belong to a party. This was the case in 2016, but not in 2020. 2024 is playing out to be another 2016 as most independents today dislike and don’t want neither major party candidate to become the next president.


    Bottom line, republicans vote for republican candidates, democrats for democratic candidates, independents, they swing wildly depending on their likes, dislikes, perspectives of the candidates.
     
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    His foreign policies are better.
    His border policies are better.
    His domestic policies are better.

    What more do you want?
     
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    Because Trump is willing to stand against the slings and arrows of the left without backing down. See we believe the left would have attacked any Republican in the same manner they did trump. Spying on their campaign, stealing confidential documents and leaking them, attempting two impeachments, weaponizing rhe FBI and justice system against them and coming up with bullshit to try to charge them criminally…

    However Trump is the only one we are confident who will not wilt under the pressure. He’s not going to compromise with you and give you what you want because you threaten him or call him a wannabe dictator or racist or charge him criminally. He’s going to stand up and spit in your face and come back swinging.

    There’s no other candidate that I’m confident would be able and willing to stand in the face of such immense pressure and vitriol. Hence Trump has my vote. And I’m highly confident that’s whyhe has such high support in the Republican Party.

    Ya'll made Trump. Not us.
     
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    Being you are defending Biden...

    We don't vote for Trump as much as we vote against the obvious in your face communist dictator tactics the Democrats have pulled the last 8 years...... We can only get our country back by doing the obvious.... vote for Trump who will clean this mess up the Democrats have created. Vote out Biden and his dicktater ways or our country will sink into communism and you will forevermore comply, comrades.

    Biden threatened Trump.... and he has turn his weaponized government against American citizens already...
    Biden has weaponized the DOJ (through legitimate efforts of the Constitution).. it is one promise he has kept...
    Listen to the man words... communist dictators say those sort of things
    "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, does not become the next president again."
    https://rumble.com/v34w72i-joe-bide...overnment-to-keep-trump-from-running-aga.html
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    As others have voiced, I think it is largely because he is not Biden. Biden has been such an utter failure of a president, that even Trump looks better.
    Personally, I could never vote for either one of those clowns.
     
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    yeah....well said.....Look I'm an outsider so haven't much to say......but I can't help thinking that the once brash America...you know, that country full of young forward thinking people....that big country that was/is...bloody well should be at the forefront of the world's stage....and here you are presenting to the world a Trump, FFS an aged, semi-literate backward thinking serial crook and monumental groper...????....and Biden a decrepit, barely vertical semi-lucid bloke that just looks terminally befuddled all the time!!?? These are America's choices for their ambassadors to the world....seriously!!??
    Why aren't Americans demanding young dynamic individuals...people with a vision of America and it's place within the world....I realise that with age comes experience and all that guff but...but not these guys surely there's better people!
    This is a bloody dangerous world we live in now with major events occurring all the time and with serious geo-political implications...you need younger more intelligent minds....seriously....you should demand better than the pathetic crop you are all wittering on about!!!
     
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    I liked your comment because I agree he may go down in history as the most dangerous. However he didn’t do anything that hurt the American people as president, not one… he done some stuff I disagree with but none that hurt the American people. The one thing he done I absolutely despise was gun control. Next to that I had zero respect for shutting down the economy, forcing renters to let people stay in their homes rent free, and passing along advice to states to become dictators during 2020. I also didn’t like his plan to exit Afghanistan. You know…. All the liberal crap side of him.
     
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    I voted for him for 5 reasons.

    1: Hillary promised that she would put Supreme Court Justices that would get rid of Heller.
    2: Hillary expressed support for going to war with Russia.
    3: His stance on illegal immigration.
    4: I was interested to see the reaction from our enemies like Iran.
    5: He wasn't Hillary.

    In that order.

    "anti-lib rhetoric" had nothing to do with it. Since I'm Independent I don't care about such things. In fact I'm actually quite liberal in a few subjects. But I'm also conservative in others.

    Until Covid hit his economy was great. He put conservative justices on the SCOTUS bench ensuring that Heller would remain for a long time to come. He did not get us into any wars. And he at least tried to secure the border, which is more than any other President has done since Reagan. All in all he got most of what I wanted done...done. This despite unprecedented levels of opposition to a sitting President by those in the other aisle.
     
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    Please explain how you can vote for Trump. Can you admit the real reason?

    A good reason is to protest the concept of weaponized justice. I don't vote but that is the reason I might consider for voting again after a 2 decade long hiatus.
     
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    Is this a joke?

    Hundreds of thousands of Americans died because he underestimated the pandemic.

    His crisis management was appalling.

    He repeatedly contradicted scientists, he sent contradictory messages to the media.

    He couldn't even convince the MAGA to get vaccinated.

    The US has one of the worst mortality records of any developed country.
     
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    Well I only posted my opinion so....

    And don't even pretend for a second like the shoe doesn't fit on the other foot.
     
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    His crisis management was grossly over reaching. If I recall even Biden said he wouldn’t have canceled flights to and from China as quickly as he did.
     
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    Far more died under Biden. Even with a vax at the very start of his Presidency.

    Also, scientists often contradicted themselves. Ex: At the beginning of the pandemic Fauci said masks were not needed.
     
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    A leader is judged by his results.

    The US had one of the highest mortality rates in the G20.

    Do you think this is normal for a country that claims to be the most advanced in the world?
     
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    At least, you are honest, although this is still a pretty poor reason to vote for someone. When having asked this question before, usually I get responses about liking Trump's "policies". Well, people don't usually get emotional about "policies", so that can't explain the almost religious following that Trump has created. Therefore, this deep, emotional connection has to be explained by something else. trump hates the right people is a much better explanation, but, ususally, it is not said out loud. You are honest to say the unspoken part out loud.

    Yes, keep voting for the guy who said the 1/6 rioters looked "low class". I am sure that multibillionaire with the gold-plated toilet has the best interest of regular blue collar workers at heart.
     
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    I'm going to tell you a hidden truth: the majority of COVID victims were Conservatives.

    It was impossible to convince them to be vaccinated.

    It was a conspiracy.

    And it certainly wasn't Biden who could have convinced you.

    The result: the red counties had a much higher mortality rate than the blue ones.


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    Don't try to pin Trump's failures on Fauci.

    MAGA never wanted to listen to him.

    At the end of his career, he was under police protection because he was receiving death threats from the MAGAs.
     
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    All garbage but your complaints should be about government doctors, not Trump. Trump isn't a doctor.
     
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    Convince me? :rolleyes: Psst...I got my covid shot. And my kids were right there with me.

    Also, your graph is nothing more than a deflection from the point that more died under Biden, than they did under Trump, yet you blamed Trump for the entirety of covid deaths.

    Maybe they would have had he not lied to them from the beginning.

    And I wasn't trying to pin anything from Trump onto Fauci. Do you deny that the scientists at the time contradicted themselves?

    Wah. Cry me a river. Tell me, do you know how many death threats Trump has received? Do you even care? I doubt it as you've never once mentioned them.
     
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    I'm not a Trump fan, but I do appreciate him in a way. I think he is like a wrecking ball, and will completely smash the way of politics that has been prevalent since the Cold War era and probably earlier. Old power structures are being torn down. In that regard, I see him as a good thing. But that is as far as it goes.
    I think Trump will usher in a whole new way of governance, DESPITE his efforts, and will bring in an age of far more "progress" and change, though likely not in the way liberal "progressives" or ultra conservatives will like at all. I think all of those old ways of thinking have no place in today's world. A new system of economics, that measures happiness, well being, and satisfaction as its most important metrics will replace meaningless old metrics like GDP and profits. I think AI will take a very large part in this, bringing in an age of equality that was not possible before the advent of AI. This will definitely be necessary as jobs begin to vanish, and people become more driven to find meaning outside of the workplace. We will finally realize that working from cradle to grave was something we have been tricked into, and is just another form of slavery, that of the 'wage slave'.
    Change is here. Trump is definitely part of what is bringing it about, but not in the way that he envisions.
     
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    the people whose politics I most despise are voting against Trump. That alone is a good reason to vote for him if he is the other choice.
     
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    It’s a culture thing. We don’t live that healthy all together bud. We also have one of the highest rates of obesity in the world as well. We also have the highest rate of diabetics in modernized countries. We also have 4th highest rate of cancer. All of which were higher risk factors of COVID mortality. Our culture of self health is horrid in this country. To anyone who knew this they could have made a successful gamble that the United States would be one of the hardest hit by COVID.

    The way Trump handled COVID was excessive period. You can’t stop diseases like that from spreading and the economy shutting down yet still spreading proves that.
     

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