Please explain how you can vote for Trump. Can you admit the real reason?

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  1. Marine1

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    That's not what members of your own Party says. How do you blame all those deaths on trump? Please explain. Your party did a lot to cause it and I'll explain how after you.
     
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    History will remember something else.

    Fauci was Director of Public Health for 38 years.

    He served 8 POTUS.

    He is considered a world authority.

    He's a national hero.

    Trump got kicked out by voters after 4 years largely because of his handling of the pandemic.

    He faces 4 criminal lawsuits and has already lost 3 civil lawsuits in the last 8 months.

    He's a criminal.

    How do you like my counterstatement?

    Of course it is.

    Those who denied the dangerousness of COVID, who believed Trump and the right-wing pundits when they said it would just be a little cold, are MAGAs like you.

    Ignorance kills.
     
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    Trump's handling of the pandemic has been one of the worst in the world.

    As devastating as third-world countries.

    Trump saw COVID from the outset as an obstacle to his re-election.

    He did nothing to counter the disinformation of right-wing punditry, which claimed that the dangers of the pandemic were exaggerated by scientists.

    The Conservative vaccination rate was much lower than that of the Liberals.

    As I was saying: ignorance kills, and numbers don't lie.
     
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    Dude they weren't fake. That is the first thing one has to do if one is going to successfully challenge an election in the senate which was the point.
     
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    Wow, that sounds like it was written by the biggest liberal in the Country. Trump's tax break didn't make the poor poorer it made them richer so they could afford better health care. From your own bias source. It brought jobs and higher pay. Blacks and Hispanics had the lowest unemployment in their history. Wages increased. He enacted all kinds of programs to help people live longer and better medicine.

    There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
    https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

    Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
    Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

    • Pay
    gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.

    Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low
    www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/black-and-hispanic...
    Oct 04, 2019 · The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%. The Hispanic women unemployment rate was 3.8% in September
     
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    Trump's new rule will give businesses and workers better health care options


    When President Trump took office, small businesses and hard-working, middle-class families were finding it increasingly difficult to afford health insurance. The Trump administration has already taken significant steps to help, and Thursday we took another one. A new Trump administration rule will provide an estimated 800,000 businesses a better way to offer coverage and millions of workers a better way to obtain coverage, through the expansion of Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs).

    HRAs are employer-funded arrangements that workers use to pay for medical expenses. The Obama administration forbade workers in the individual insurance market to use HRAs to pay for coverage — significantly impeding employer flexibility and worker choice. Trump's new rule undoes this misguided restriction.
    Starting on January 1, 2020, employers will be able to offer their workers HRAs to buy individual market coverage for themselves and their families. The administration's new rule addresses a major inequity by, in effect, providing the same tax advantage that traditional employer-sponsored group plans receive — exclusion of premiums from federal income or payroll taxes — to coverage that workers in the individual market purchase from an HRA.
    The rule will significantly expand worker options since 80% of firms that provide insurance currently offer only one type of plan. Now, workers will be able to use tax-advantaged money from their employers to buy coverage of their choosing. This new flexibility will allow people to maintain their coverage when they switch jobs.

    More Markets & Economy Perspectives
    In particular, this new rule should help small business workers by making it possible for employers to fund coverage with less hassle and cost than maintaining a traditional group health plan. Between 2010 and 2018, the proportion of workers at firms with three to 49 workers covered by an employer plan fell by more than 25%. This rule should help reverse that decline. The rule also makes it easier for small businesses to compete with larger businesses for talent.



    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/pers...x9fj0WeTr3ZQ9AbDCz5ay1eWdRXVHOYr98P2yCnshbpr0

    5. Trump signs bill giving terminally ill patients 'right to try
    ...
    www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/...
    President Trump on Wednesday signed legislation into law that gives patients the “right to try” experimental drugs, to give them a chance to live, or at least extend their life, cementing a major policy priority for the White House. ... Trump signs bill ..


    Real change finally comes to the VA, thanks to Trump
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opi.../op-eds/real-change...
    Real change finally comes to the VA, thanks to Trump. By ... The VA Mission Act is designed to create effective fixes for these ... This bill does real good. House Veterans Affairs Committee ...

    Drug Prices Will Now Be Listed in Television Ads | Time

    Time.com/5586552/drug-prices-television-ads
    May 09, 2019 · Drug companies will soon be required to include their prices in television ads, in an effort to drive down costs and boost transparency. TV Ads for Drugs Must Now Include Prices. It's the Latest .(The drug companies have taken this to court)

    No surprise medical bills. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/450521079085682/

    The FDA under Trump has approved 1600 generic drugs. ...

    Tampa Bay Times
    https://www.tampabay.com › health › the-fda-under-tru...


    Feb 7, 2019 — Generic drugs can lower the cost of health care for millions of Americans. But hundreds of them have yet to make their way to consumers, ...
     
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    4.Trump made strides in his health care plan.
    Trump's new rule will give businesses and workers better health care options


    When President Trump took office, small businesses and hard-working, middle-class families were finding it increasingly difficult to afford health insurance. The Trump administration has already taken significant steps to help, and Thursday we took another one. A new Trump administration rule will provide an estimated 800,000 businesses a better way to offer coverage and millions of workers a better way to obtain coverage, through the expansion of Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs).

    HRAs are employer-funded arrangements that workers use to pay for medical expenses. The Obama administration forbade workers in the individual insurance market to use HRAs to pay for coverage — significantly impeding employer flexibility and worker choice. Trump's new rule undoes this misguided restriction.
    Starting on January 1, 2020, employers will be able to offer their workers HRAs to buy individual market coverage for themselves and their families. The administration's new rule addresses a major inequity by, in effect, providing the same tax advantage that traditional employer-sponsored group plans receive — exclusion of premiums from federal income or payroll taxes — to coverage that workers in the individual market purchase from an HRA.
    The rule will significantly expand worker options since 80% of firms that provide insurance currently offer only one type of plan. Now, workers will be able to use tax-advantaged money from their employers to buy coverage of their choosing. This new flexibility will allow people to maintain their coverage when they switch jobs.

    More Markets & Economy Perspectives
    In particular, this new rule should help small business workers by making it possible for employers to fund coverage with less hassle and cost than maintaining a traditional group health plan. Between 2010 and 2018, the proportion of workers at firms with three to 49 workers covered by an employer plan fell by more than 25%. This rule should help reverse that decline. The rule also makes it easier for small businesses to compete with larger businesses for talent.



    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/pers...x9fj0WeTr3ZQ9AbDCz5ay1eWdRXVHOYr98P2yCnshbpr0

    5. Trump signs bill giving terminally ill patients 'right to try ...
    www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/...
    President Trump on Wednesday signed legislation into law that gives patients the “right to try” experimental drugs, to give them a chance to live, or at least extend their life, cementing a major policy priority for the White House. ... Trump signs bill ..


    Real change finally comes to the VA, thanks to Trump
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opi.../op-eds/real-change...
    Real change finally comes to the VA, thanks to Trump. By ... The VA Mission Act is designed to create effective fixes for these ... This bill does real good. House Veterans Affairs Committee ...

    Drug Prices Will Now Be Listed in Television Ads | Time

    Time.com/5586552/drug-prices-television-ads
    May 09, 2019 · Drug companies will soon be required to include their prices in television ads, in an effort to drive down costs and boost transparency. TV Ads for Drugs Must Now Include Prices. It's the Latest .(The drug companies have taken this to court)

    No surprise medical bills. https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/450521079085682/


    The FDA under Trump has approved 1600 generic drugs. ...

    Tampa Bay Times
    https://www.tampabay.com › health › the-fda-under-tru...


    Feb 7, 2019 — Generic drugs can lower the cost of health care for millions of Americans. But hundreds of them have yet to make their way to consumers, ...

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    Beam me up Scottie, no intelligent life down here.
     
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    Now you want to know how wages got bad? Especially when Obama had the highest corporate tax in the whole industrial world? How people had jobs that couldn't support an individual on, much less a family? I'll show you with your own bias news .

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    Decades of policy failures that the Trump Administration exacerbated resulted in more than 450,000 unnecessary American deaths in 2018, with tens of thousands of additional deaths in other years also attributable to President Donald Trump's actions, according to a report published Thursday from a commission of health experts convened by the British medical journal The Lancet.

    I can see the facts are upsetting you. Sorry about that.
     
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    Man up and admit you are wrong... AGAIN... when you have no rebuttal you run away. It pretty silly when you ask a question, then don't like the verifiable and undeniable answer..
     
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    Here is what Obama's policies caused with low paying service and part time jobs. Is it any wonder so many people were hurting?

    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../


    Just remember, Obama had the highest corporate tax in the whole industrial world. How did that work out for America to buy food, medicine and health care?

    Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

    Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.
     
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    You do understand Covid was NOT dangerous to the vast amount of people? You get that right? Or are you still operating under 2020 info and haven’t learned a damn thing in 3 years? Kids and healthy people who got Covid with or without the shot got symptoms equivalent a bad cold to a flu. That’s it. I knew loads of them. If you still NOW think all the lockdowns were worth it, the economic destruction was worth it, 1000s of businesses destroyed were worth it, the INFLATION, supply chain issues, all worth it to save people that would have died ANYWAY, many of the elderly literally within the year Covid or not, I pity you. Many died BECAUSE of the respirators for frack sake. True pity.

    Your misinformation is ASTOUNDING! But Trump wasn’t re-elected which is truly ALL you care about. Since you know he was cruising into a 2nd term before Covid hit. You know it. Everyone knows it.

    Curious but you still think Covid came from people eating bats:)
     
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    No, the Lancet is a journal run by people the MAGA hate more than anything else: scientists.

    I looked at your list of all the great things Trump has done to fight the pandemic.

    It makes you want to dream.

    Still, the numbers don't lie.

    The US has a catastrophic record, with +84% mortality compared with the average for other Western countries.

    Another fine achievement by Donald Trump.
     
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    Except that more than 1 million Americans died...

    I remember back in March 2020, I opened a thread that has aged very poorly for MAGA.

    You'll want to read that.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-predicted-bloodshed-is-coming.570238/page-4
     
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    Says the party that actually burned the country down, literally and figuratively.
     
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    Specifically what policies?
     
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    If you have info on the names and party affiliation of the people responsible for the BLM riots, please post it. Otherwise, your assertion will be considered as useless as your assertion Dems are figuratively burning the country down even as Repubs tear at the threads of democracy by supporting a man who orchestrated a failed coup.
     
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    I have a sincere question.

    Even if we assume that data collection is equal amongst all countries and therefore you can make a valid comparison between countries in regards to Covid results.....Since Trump was in office for about 11 months of Covid, Biden for over 3 years, and the vast majority of deaths were under Biden's watch which also was after the vaccine existed, how exactly are you concluding that the overall numbers you are citing are Trump's fault as opposed to Biden's?
     
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    I love when leftists write something so desperately and laughably ridiculous.
    "Democrats have nothing to do with antifa or BLM" lmfao.

    Your assertion has been marked useless.

    Maybe the left could break out the witches and try casting some more spells or something.
     
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    That's easy.

    One of the left's defining characteristics is to never take responsibility for anything.

    I've shown that at least twice in this thread so far.
     
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    I can put almost all the blame on Trump for 3 reasons:

    1- Managing a pandemic is like breaking a dam.

    If you don't take decisive action from the outset, the virus will spread rapidly and there will be no turning back to repair mistakes.

    2- To avoid political backlash, Trump has regularly contradicted the scientific pessimism that predicted, as soon as March 2021, hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    Americans - especially MAGAs - concluded that COVID wasn't that dangerous, and that it would soon disappear 'like a miracle with the warm weather'....

    3- Trump was unable to convince Conservatives to get vaccinated in large enough numbers to prevent them from being hit much harder than Liberals.

    Nor has he done anything to counter the multiple conspiracy theories about the virus.
     
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    While I never voted for him, I completely understand why they do.

    Even if your list of negatives was 10x longer, trump still emerges as the lesser of evils considering the results Dems are producing. Perhaps many don't want to turn the US into California. You can make a strong argument on how awful trump is, but you cannot make a case that Dems are better for society.

    Poverty, pronouns, and pee make trump look better than thee.
     
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