Please explain how you can vote for Trump. Can you admit the real reason?

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  1. FAW

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    LOL.....that is nonsensical.

    It was a 3+ year-long pandemic, and Biden was in charge for about 70% of that time. The vaccine came into existence right as Trump was leaving office; for you to first ignore that he is the one that had it fast-tracked, and then to go one step further and pretend like he is responsible for who did or did not get vaccinated after he left office, is beyond silly. The United States was not at the bottom of the list when Trump left office, most of Europe had more deaths per capita at that point.

    I am not one that would affix blame for a pandemic on a President, but if that is the route that you insist upon, Biden would logically deserve most of that blame because the vast majority of deaths were under his watch, and more importantly it was during his term that the United States went from middle of the pack for western powers to near the top in regards to deaths. Our standing in the world rankings got progressively worse under Biden.

    I for one would be embarrassed to push such unsupported nonsense. However, I do acknowledge that I am concerned about displaying integrity.
     
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    Firstly, the UK got the vaccine before we did.

    And the EU got it at the same time we did.

    So to claim that Trump made the development (in China) of the vaccine fast-tracked is a lie.

    Secondly. while Biden was warning Americans about the virus, urging them to vote by mail and not campaigning on the ground, Trump was organizing rallies all over the country and instructing his MAGAs to vote in person because he claimed the elections would be rigged.

    In addition to everything else I've mentioned, Trump therefore contributed to the spread of the virus and inevitably killed people as a result of his decisions.

    Prove it.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ....and this is supposed to refute my previous post how exactly? Nothing about Biden being in charge for most of the deaths? Biden being in charge when the US went from middle of the pack amongst western powers to top of the list in terms of death?

    Nothing?... Bueller?
     
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    I've told you that the severity of a pandemic depends on the decisions made at the outset.

    After Trump failed to slow the spread because he was telling the people it was nothing, all that was left was to strongly encourage people to get vaccinated.

    And Trump couldn't even convince his own MAGA to do so.

    Are you going to blame Biden for not being able to do it either?
     
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    Oooo scary.

    I have some questions though.

    Since this person was found to have been a white supremacist there to lead black residents to burn the city down in the name of George Floyd (interesting premise) I'd like to know

    a. What was his name
    b. When was he charged with starting the riots in *checks notes* at least two cities.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, I have seen your position on the subject. It is nonsensical and I have explained why. It is all there in black and white for the reader to decide for themselves whom they believe. There is nothing to be gained by continuing to hoe the exact same ground over, and over, and over.

    We have both had our say. It is time to move along.
     
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    In a race to the finish, Obama administration presses ahead ...
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    As the future Trump administration begins to take shape, the Obama White House is engaged in a frenzied, final effort to put in place as many new rules and regulations as time allows.



    20,642 New Regulations Added in the Obama Presidency
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    More than $22 billion per year in new regulatory costs were imposed on Americans last year, pushing the total burden for the Obama years to exceed $100 billion annually.


    The U.S. Has the Highest Corporate Income Tax Rate in the ...
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    In today’s globalized world, U.S. Corporations are increasingly at a competitive disadvantage. They currently face the highest statutory corporate income tax rate in the world at 39.1 percent. This overall rate is a combination of our 35 percent federal rate and the average rate levied by U.S. States.

    Up to 250,000 positions may have been eliminated by small businesses seeking to avoid Obamacare's employer mandate, a new study has found. While Obamacare has allowed millions of Americans to get health insurance, it has also caused thousands of people to lose their jobs, a new report estimates.Nov 24, 2017

    Businesses eliminated hundreds of thousands of full-time jobs .
     
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    And….. that simple little word the left can’t acknowledge…NOVEL virus
     
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    It's the easiest thing in the world I don't care about any of that I care about borders and taxes.

    Trump is going to fix the absolute disaster the corpse and charge right now has created so how could you not vote for him unless you hate our country?
     
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    C'mon. Cash 4 Clunkers was amazing US policy.
     
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    This is just what gave Obama the worst recovery in 50 years And caused all those bad jobs. Trump cut the tax and cut some of the regulations that were killing busness and the economy took right off. One of the best economies America has seen. It also got Blacks and Hispanics the lowest unemployment in their history. Blue collar workers saw a substantial pay raise and the Middle Class saw the the biggest raise in their history. And it all came about by doing just the opposite of what Democrats always want to do. They always want to punish business. They haven't learned if you make business competitive, jobs and wages will rise not fall. But the Democrats NEVER LISTEN,NEVER, Tax cuts and cuts in regulations is against what they have always stood against and they aren't going to change
     
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    Yeah honestly I just said that to make myself laugh.
     
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    They put a post up on Face Book yesterday and today to support a tax increase to help create jobs. I thought I would fall right through the floor.
     
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    They'll tax us into prosperity.
     
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    You are literally in a total panic, as you should be.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/nevada/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/georgia/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/arizona/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/president/
     
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    Can you believe these lies and what they want to do?

    BUILDING A STRONGER, FAIRER ECONOMY
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    Nov 22, 2021 — Under current law, the relatively small number of Americans wealthy enough to itemize their tax returns are barred from writing more than
     
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    President Trump inherited the longest economic expansion in American history from the Obama-Biden Administration, and he squandered it. Even before the COVID-19 .

    This is a half truth lie they told about five years ago. I heard this on MSNBC

    The Obama administration policies have created 10 million jobs. He has the longest monthly growth of any President in history. People signing up for new jobs has dropped substanually.

    Every bit of that is the truth.
    The only thing they left out was what kind of jobs did Obama create. I showed you that. People stopped signing up for work because the jobs were so bad that many of them figured they could stay home and draw welfare and make almost as much and they were right. Look at this.

    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../

     
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    I think that was a scam to try and help you out of industry that was hurting pretty bad at the time.
     
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    Yeah. All it really did was get rid of the affordable cars and make the used car market much more expensive.

    I've bought a number of "junk" cars that just needed a new fuel pump or something.

    It was pathetic.
     
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    I think the criteria for clunker was more than 10 years old.

    I think this is the thing behind electric cars. Car manufacturer's biggest competitor is there older models. You remember during the pandemic the Ford had sitting on a lot in Kentucky about 12 billion dollars worth of trucks they could have sold probably within about 3 months but they didn't have microchips for their plan obsolescence they couldn't let those get out it would ruin them.

    The electric car thing is to try and force you into buying a new car and then when everybody realizes what garbage they are don't go back to selling internal combustion cars but they won't make parts for the old ones.

    Government is always for sale to the highest bidder.
     
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    Car manufacturers hate that you did that. I've worked as a mechanic for two decades. I've seen poor design and I think it's on purpose.
     
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    They must really hate that I taught myself to rebuild engines then.
     
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    Looks like the EV market is already bombing from what I've read, but yeah. They definitely want you sucked into the entire "planned obsolescence" thing.
     
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    You make the same philosophical mistake so many on the right make, especially libertarians.

    What you fail to grasp is that you can't run a nation like a business.

    In a business, if you don't reward the productive and penalize teh non productive, you will go out of business.

    But, with a nation, if you treat the poor, oppress them long enough, hard enough, you will spark a revolution. history is replete with examples, and they rarely turn out good. see, in a business, you can fire the non productive, and they will go elsewhere. But, in a nation, where will they go? They can't. THAT is why your philosophy is wrong. Since they have no where to go, only at the plutocrats, with pitchforks. History is replete with this, look at the Bolshevik revolution (which turned out bad) look at the French Revolution (which, in time, worked out okay) but there is no guarantee for a good outcome, and in the short term, it will be chaos.

    You would think a man who has been the financiere for many big corporations, a billionaire, a 1/10th of 1 per center, would think as you think, and the thing is, most of them actually do think as you think. But not this guy, Nick Hanauer. You should give him a listen. In this TED talk, he is talking to other plutocrats like him, to start thinking about the little guy, get away from the libertarian view, because, if they don't, they might come at him and his buddies with pitchforks, i.e., spark a revolution. Since history is replete with such examples, he does have a point. In light of this, his political philosophy is in tune with mine, not yours. But he expresses himself better than I can, so give him a listen.




    In the 60s, I could have had you stand side by side with your average John Bircher, and you guys would sound the same. adjusting for the events of the time.

    Your tired, very tired, paranoid conspiracy riddled rhetoric was dead decades ago, let alone a few minutes ago when you wrote it. The only difference was, at least Goldwater (whom they wanted for prez) had class, but Trump is a buffoon, and the sad, very sad sack truth is, you apparently can't see it.

    Now, I didn't agree with Goldwater's policy ideas, but I did respect him. Here, he makes an astonishing prediction.



    And who do you think that person he is talking about might be, today?

    One thing is certain, he sure as hell wouldn't levy that characterization against Joe Biden. he was one of the couple of Senators who approached Nixon to resign, he, unlike Trump, is not a demagogue, is a man of gravitas, and integrity. it takes integrity to ask your leader of your party to resign, when the facts warrant it, and the facts certainly did. We had the tapes.

    I don't know about you,. but no buffoon / demagogue should ever be president, under any circumstance, noting that your opinion of Joe is seen through the tainted lens if ultra right wing bias, meaning you do not see the world as it really is, only as you think it to be, want it to be, some kind of libertarian dog eat dog I-got-mine-and-f*ck-every-one-else dystopia you think will be best, under the distorted idea that the 'invisible hand' will be the panacea of all our economic woes' and, as such, government programs of any kind are 'public tit'. Or something like that, if you are a libertarian, right? I"m guessing that is what you are.
     
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