Please help me understand why some people are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

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  1. Polydectes

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    There is very little research this vaccine has been around for less than a year.

    An anti-vaxxer railing against measles vaccine is different than somebody not wanting to be a guinea pig. The point is you don't know any long-term side effects we won't know them for a long term because the vaccine is brand new.

    If you want to be a guinea pig have fun.
     
  2. Sallyally

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    I’d prefer to err on the side of caution and reduce the spread.
     
  3. Polydectes

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    I prefer to air on the side of caution and not be a guinea pig for an untested drug.

    I had covid I survived no ill effects. I didn't spread it.
     
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    Nor do you feel sympathy for those who have been damaged and killed by covid vaccines.

    My FREEDOM is much more important to me than your "sympathy" !!

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    so you're pro-choice?
     
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  6. Sallyally

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    Excuse my asking, but how old are you and how many comorbidities do you have?
     
  7. Polydectes

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    Let's not make this personal. No amount of pleading will get you anywhere anyway.
     
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    absolutely!!!! And I even extend that to the unborn child who must be given the choice to live or die

    oops, didn't see that coming, did you? Or do you not value all life?
     
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    a fetus is not a child yet..... it's a potential child

    but glad to hear you are pro-choice
     
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    Well you can’t expect me to value your experience of suffering COVID.
     
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    I don't really care if you value it or not. My experience informed me if you don't approve I can live with that.

    I'll take another round of COVID-19 rather than an experimental injection. If you can't or choose not to understand that than that is your business.
     
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    you crack me up. Is it life? I am for liberty for all
     
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    me too, that is why I am pro-choice
     
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    It's done a good job for me. I haven't been sick in years.

    Having a healthy spirit and reducing stress helps wonders as well.
     
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    Is the fetus being discussed human (meaning, of the homo sapien sapien species)?? Yes or no.

    Is the fetus being discussed living (meaning, has a heartbeat)?? Yes or no.

    If you answered yes to both questions, then you are expressing approval of the choice to kill a living human who has not committed any crime nor has expressed any desire to die.

    You're seriously okay with that????
     
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    Yes.

    What was in error about it?
     
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    I don't "get my information" from anywhere.

    Care to refute any specifics of what was said?
     
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    it will be if the mother decides she wants to have a baby
     
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    Where did your words in red come from.

    Posts 70 and 72 clearly repudiated word for word what you said

    You seem to have a memory issue.
     
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    That’s good then. I don’t care if you don’t. (Raspberry)
     
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    GFM you might want to first start by citing any medical information you prescribe others. Clearly you are no MD. Its tripe because you are not a doctor and you presented medical prescriptions with no cites.

    Its also tripe for you to repeat in red what you clearly lifted from some conspiracy article and won't cite. If you actually made up your scam theory and want to ignore the repudiations in 70 and 72 go ahead but the tripe speaks for itself. You have slurred thousands of doctors as scam artists involved in a conspiracy.That is tripe. To undermine an entire profession and accuse it of engaging in dishonesty with no proof is tripe.

    To misrepresent what is being on actual death certificates and the reporting of deaths is tripe.

    You have any other questions?
     
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    Your first comment is illogical. If you preferred to err on the side of caution you would have done your research and would know the vaccines are not untested and based on a principle dating back to just after SARS and already used to make successful vaccines againsg Rabies and Ebola to name but two examples. So you would have known the drugs are not based on anything new and the cautious thing to do would not expose yourself to a virus you know could make you sick and enable you to spread it to others you know could make them sick and/or kill them. You would err on the side of caution and not expose people needlessly to risks.

    In fact you erred on the side of being frightened of something you feel you do not understand. I get that but what you call caution others might call simply fear of that which you don't understand.I am not attacking you for that fear. Many fear like you do not understanding the concept behind the vaccines and so thinking they are dangerous.

    Next how do you know you did not spread Covid 19? The point is you would not know if you spread it. The person who caught it would not know either. Think about it. You don't cough or sneeze or touch something and then someone else immediately gets Covid 19 and tells you. Come on.
     
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    In 2012, mRNA which is the principle behind the vaccines you discuss was proposed for immunization and treatment cardiovascular,(heart) metabolic and renal (kidney) diseases. It was used to create vaccines for human including rabies, Zeka and Ebola viruses, cystomegalovirus and influenza.

    The only guinea pigs were mice in 1989 who first proved the technology worked. The mice did not die but I am sure they would have appreciated knowing you cared.

    Poly the vaccine technology is not radical. Read up on it. What long term side effects are you worried about? mRNA vaccines themselves do not really have side effects. Its the Covid 19 virus itself that in fact by reducing the body's auto immune system that because of the lack of immunity response would then cause the side effects you are worried about not the vaccine.

    If you are genuinely worried the side effects could include:
    • redness.
    • soreness.
    • swelling.
    • chills
    • fatigue
    • joint pain
    • headache
    • mild fever
    • muscle aches...
    Can it kill you? More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. They by the way did not necessarily die from the vaccine but they had taken the vaccine so they are reported. It could very well be most of those deaths would not be from the vacccine.

    Go to:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

    No one can force you to take the vaccine if you fear it. I would suggest though you have nothing to be afraid of. If you did get a reaction you would probably know within the first 15 minutes and it would not kill you but yes it could cause an allergic reaction or make you sick. However your doctor does a family history. You will not be allowed to take it if you are in high risk or even medium risk categories. They err on the side of caution.
     
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    Some people who are healthy, strong and at little to no risk don't want a vaccine in which no one knows the long term effects.
     
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    Your comment makes even less sense but you would know that the covid vaccine just came into existence a couple of months ago there is no research to be done you are the research you may be the research I don't need to be I'm not worried about covid.
     

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