Poor people having too many children they can't afford

What an excellent point!

 

What a cheap shot. Since 1964 taxpayers have paid these poor people $15 trillion, and they're still popping out kids the expect the taxpayers to pay for.

2 Thessalonians 3
Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the traditions that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor die we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. 12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. 14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with them.

 

Of for God's sake. Welfare is a conspiracy by white supremacists. LOL.

 

Its not the choice I would make

But I didnt grow up steeped and marinated in liberal culture

 

You're right. Eliminate the Department of education and give people vouchers so those whom truly care about their child's education can place their kids in a school they will receive good, if not great education.

 

FoxHastings: Yup, that could happen and righties have started the process with more laws restricting abortion and their hope that RvW will be overturned and abortion banned.

Once the right to one's own body is taken away( by banning abortion) then the door is open to other controls .

WHO and WHERE was it suggested that "women have no choice but to become pregnant" ...HINT: NO WHERE.

You sure picked a perfect name.


It's too bad you don't believe women have a right to their own body.

If people like you prevail what that other poster warned about , all reproduction controlled by the government, could happen.

But saner heads will prevail.

BTW...cherry picking posts is an indication to me that you know you don't have much of an argument

 

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Pipette8


In your post 125 you altered my post making it look like I posted your CRAP...


. Do NOT do that again.

I will report it every time.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Yup, that could happen and righties have started the process with more laws restricting abortion and their hope that RvW will be overturned and abortion banned.

Once the right to one's own body is taken away( by banning abortion) then the door is open to other controls .

Uh, those floodgates were opened hundreds of thousands of years ago, ever hear of a thing called war?....the "innocent" have been slaughtered for centuries...

Taking away people's right to their own bodies is a good way to start wholesale slaughter,..

 

Pipette8


In your post 125 you altered my post making it look like I posted your CRAP...


. Do NOT do that again.

I will report it every time.

 

If poor people did not have more children than they could afford, going back to our founding, our population would be probably less than a hundred million today. ha ha

The birth rates of americans now are too low as we are not, on average, replacing the two parents who are having children.

Of course, we can open up immigration and add to our population in this manner. And under the current system, in place since the 60s when immigration policy was changed, most of those new immigrants would be from shi*t hole nations, and consisting of poor, unskilled people, in a nation that already has far too many unskilled people, americans.

If intelligence has any place in immigration policy and law, we would be managing immigration to provide primarily those immigrants with advanced education or were highly skilled, and therefore not a burden on a nation that is over 20 trillion in debt already. Clearly intelligence was removed from our immigration law and policy, in order to import people that are not of european extraction, in order to brown up america, given the utter evilness of anyone with a lighter skin color. For there was reasoning involved, when we changed our immigration law and policy, thanks to ted kennedy and the democrats in the 1960s. But the reasoning was not intelligent reasoning, it was geared to meet the social sphere, and to change demographics, away from whites being the majority. And it worked! The current projection of future demographics evidence this.

If merit based immigration policy and law, does not brown up america, and put the white americans in the minority, than merit based law and policy is unacceptable to democrats. And yet merit based immigration is what a modern civilization would do, if the health of a nation and society were of any consideration, which of course, obviously it isn't.

Yet if some pro or college football team, staffed their team with 99 pound weaklings, we would have no trouble at all seeing the unintelligence, and even utter stupidity involved in such a policy. Because it was more important to use the worst choice, because having a winning team should not be the goal of the owners. And they should not manage their choosing in order to achieve a goal, driven by intelligence. After all, we would not want others to think we only wanted the best, and that would exclude 99 pound weaklings. What about those poor 99 pound weaklings? Obviously we must be driven by some hatred of 99 pound weaklings! Nothing else could ever explain it! ha ha

 

Uh, HOW do you mean to "sacrifice" one generation of kids? Kill them?

 

Yeah, I didn't mean to that. Apologies.

 

I didn't read my posts after I posted them. I would have changed my mistakes if had. I certainly didn't do it on purpose. No one is going to believe that my posts are actually yours. Your ideology is well known.

 

Send your poor to the public schools where they may be killed by fellow students in the 5th grade, right in the classroom.

 

Gee, I wonder why you left out the stats on whites who use the welfare system.

And you aren't meshing with your righty cohorts who scream about all the abortions black women have...as if they don't have the same right to abortion as white women.

Yes, countries take care of their poor because the poor will always be with us. They weren't invented in the 60's.

It is part of living, part of humanity. .


Doing nothing but denigrating and ridiculing the poor while the wealthy screw you inside out is laughable at best....

 

There is no overpopulation.

 

Exactly. Success takes hard work, not handouts.

I, too, paid my way thru college, lived within my means, and worked my butt off to get to where I am today. I've never taken one penny of welfare.

It takes drive, self-discipline and perseverance, which unfortunately too many people lack so they become (or remain) "poor".

Hunger, homelessness and pride are powerful motivators ---- but welfare guarantees everyone food and housing, and welfare dependence has become so prevalent for some that they don't find any shame at all in living off of the government, many even convince themselves they "deserve" it ---- and so some of the most powerful motivators have been eliminated.

Someone who is hard working, intelligent and/or ambitious will generally not become poor (or will not remain poor, if they began that way.) But our current welfare system nurtures the lazy, unintelligent and/or unambitious so that they keep reproducing and perpetuating the problem.

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I think you misunderstood @crank 's point.

(I think) the point was that @crank was able to make something of himself because he was NOT lazy, stupid, unmotivated, hooked on drugs, or trying to raise a houseful of kids which were the result of promiscuity and irresponsibility. Which is why he is NO LONGER POOR.

"The poor" tend to be poor for a reason, and "the poor" tend to have many traits in common, as already discussed by myself and others.

How many successful people do you know who are lazy, stupid, unambitious, doing drugs and/or have "oops" children they can't afford because they are the result of irresponsibility and/or poor planning?

How many "poor" people do you know who are lazy, stupid, unambitious, doing drugs and/or have "oops" children they can't afford because they are the result of irresponsibility and/or poor planning?

When you can answer those questions honestly, you will be better prepared to participate in a complex discussion like this one. You'll also begin to see that welfare has in fact exacerbated the problem of "the poor" rather than alleviating it.

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We already provide free education thru the 12th grade, and there is probably no more level playing field in the world than America. (If anything we've tipped the field in favor of the poor and minorities, via welfare and affirmative action.)

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You make many good points here. Although your reply is long, I hope people will take the time to read it.

Immigration should be merit based, not based on any sort of politically-driven strategies to buy votes or increase the minority population for the sake of "de-whiting" America.

 

More free stuff. The violent left's fix to everything.

 

More "free stuff", yes, but for the greater good in this case.

Here in Florida I can think of two towns were feral cats were becoming a problem. They organized programs where they trap the feral cats and then they spay or neuter the trapped cats for free, and then release them back to where they were trapped. This causes no harm to the cats, but it vastly slows down the population explosion so that these towns don't become overrun with feral cats.

Free condoms, birth control, vasectomies, etc would work similarly (except voluntarily, obviously, nobody is advocating forcing any of this, although tying it to welfare benefits could be a nice motivator.) We would save children from poverty by preventing them from being born into poverty in the first place.

(Relax SJWs, I'm not saying "the poor" are cats, before some nut comes along and misses the entire point and starts howling "Libby said we should trap and neuter poor people like cats!!!!" )

 

This is a world wide issue. China's population is aging and they had years of a 1 child policy that is getting ready to bite them in the ass. With us, my main issue is Idiocrisy. You all saw the Intro=) Hilarious but so true!!! The "wrong" people are having kids. The most responsible and/or "smartest" are either having none, 1 or 2. Its motivated by finances, more than 1 kid being "too hard", retaining a standard of living, or not finding anyone at all. But the dumbest out there are breeding like rabbits, because they can't control themselves like animals, simply not giving a **** the consequences, or they get a new check for every baby, so "why the hell not, right?"

 

Irresponsible unmarried people, who don't have a conversation about children and their future should NOT have children, correct. They are doing themselves, society and especially the poor kids, a HUGE disservice. They should be getting abortions, NOT having unprotected sex or IMO, chemically castrated if they have a child while on welfare. That's just ****ing irresponsible, cruel and scummy. Look at the worst in society and always comes back to a shitty home life and parents. Not every single time, but its like clockwork that messed up kids and adults come from messed up families.

Its not all that hard to avoid getting pregnant, unless you're screwing everything that moves. And in those cases, you're really not acting much better than a stray dog or the aforementioned rabbit. If people out there think we haven't grown passed the level of animals, then, I guess we're doomed=)

 

Which refutes YOUR opinion that the poor are lazy , stupid, unmotivated, hooked on drugs, or promiscuous.

But not only for YOUR "reasons".

That hardly means it's true!!!

Not many but that doesn't mean they don't have faults...they shouldn't be worshipped as Perfect Gods because YOU say so.

Not many....but I do know poor people who aren't on drugs, aren't stupid, aren't lazy or promiscuous but were "blessed " with poor parents and so didn't have the same playing field as those born to wealthy parents( who can bribe and money launder their stupid, lazy, drug addicted, un-ambitious kids into college)

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When you can quit pigeonholing/stereotyping the poor then maybe you could participate in this discussion with some smidgen of credibility.

Welfare HAS alleviated problems like poor children getting fed and housed( how you must hate that).


There ARE other causes of poverty including losing ones job, huge medical bills, losing one's home.etc….but I'm sure those facts don't fit in with your "Hate the Poor, They are Evil" agenda.




Did you know that people who are more successful and wealthier than YOU think you are lazy and un-ambitious and stupid and don't think any of their taxes ( that they actually report) should go to you and your needs???

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Then you'd have to cut your own grass though. Can't have that.

 

Its not a stereotype. Its statistics. Poor people stay poor due to many factors but almost always revolve around poor decision making, laziness, or general low IQ. I'll leave out medical conditions because that's not the rule. Its a cause, but too minimal to be included in a rational discussion.

I've worked with a lot of poor people through the decades and its truly rare to find any of them that are poor, yet brilliant & responsible. It simple doesn't add up. They are not all BAD people, but nearly all of them have made too many bad decisions to count.

If you want to be credible and claim poor most people are poor due to situations they have no control over, you're delusional. We all have choices. Some are much easier than others but the good choices are usually the hard choices. When someone goes through life always making the easy choice, they end up where their choices ultimately lead.