Popular vote vs electoral college

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I agree.
     
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    We pledge allegiance to the republic, not the democracy.
     
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    Did they riot when Bernie was winning the popular vote while losing super delegates to Hillary? The whole super delegate thing was designed by the DNC to ensure that only their chosen candidate would win the nomination, regardless of how the people voted, and everyone sat on their keyboards.
     
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    Bernie didn't win the popular vote. He wouldn't have been the candidate even if there were no superdelegates.

    Hillary won 2220 pledged delegates and had 591 superdelegates. Bernie won 1831 pledged delegates and had 48 super delegates. The only way, numerically, Bernie could have won is if all the superdelegates had voted for him. He lost the popular vote. Admittedly, the DNC screwed him over at times, and the MSM conspired to make sure Hillary won, but those are different issues.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0
     
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    Define 'large margin'.....2 million votes (for instance) is not a large margin.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Since there is no national popular vote it's a moot question.
     
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    Unless that party is lead by Trump. He's complaining even though he won. I voted for Trump but that doesn't mean I like my president elect to spend his time complaining about an election he was victorious in.
    He's got a lot of promises to keep (or not) and so he needs to get to work.
     
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    It would be accepted, that's our constitution.

    Most of America doesn't give a rat's ass what California and New York think. If popular vote was all that mattered, Presidential candidates would likely only campaign in about 20 states or so. The other 30 would effectively be disenfranchised, no candidate would have to give two craps about what their wishes were. Something else that is troublesome is that currently CA could be considered a fraudulent voter base. Pretty sure the requirements for voter ID and proof of citizenship is extremely lax. I really don't need to explain this further, Dims know who and what their party stands for.
     
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    Let's put it this way, how would you ever get such an amendment to the constitution passed?
     
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    The disparity is apt to persist, so we may well be given ample opportunity to find out in coming elections, more Americans voting for one candidate, and electors making the other the president.


     
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    Polarization, movement, has caused a lot of that. Back during the 1970's and prior going back to the civil war, the south was solid Democratic while the rest of the United States was in play. Then during the 80's almost every state was in play with no safe states for either party although quite a few leaned one way or the other. Since then around 40 states have become so polarized that they are considered safe for one party or the other. Only around ten states have a likelihood of going to either party.

    As with the past and how the changing and shifting demographics have thrown more and more states into the safe category for the parties, the continuing changes and shifting demographics will also open up more states that can go to either party.
     
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    You mean like when Bernie was winning the popular votes and Hillary was winning the delegates?
    Ask yourself why the Dem party has super delegates. To ensure that only the DNC approved candidate can win the nomination. The DNC doesn't give a damn who the people want. They will tell you who the party candidate is. Karma's a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    How many millions of Americans didn't vote? The popular vote is meaningless if participation isn't between 80-90%. The electoral college much better represents the pulse of the nation than over sampled urban voting...
     
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    In what state did more voters vote for one candidate by the other won the election of those electors?

    Or are you still confused and think we all vote in one national popular vote?
     
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    Actually, it is mathematically possible for someone to win the election with something like 25% of the total vote if they win the right states. Imagine a future where red states pass laws making it legal for the winner to have 60% of the popular vote. They could then make it very difficult for the minority to ever get to 60% but easy for the majority (GOP) to get to 60%. If you think this is unlikely remember that each state can determine how the EC votes are awarded, there is no constitutional prohibition on them at all including not even having a popular vote at all. They could do away with voting altogether and pass constitutional review.
     

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