"Posers," "Pretentions" and Cultural Growth

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    I once knew a former hippie woman whose son was into Jim Morrison, had long hair, and was having all sorts of adventures. I heard her call him a poser.

    My response is that if someone is doing something when it is not a part of a trend, then he must really want it; which means that he is more the genuine article than someone who does it when it is part of a trend.

    There are some in America who do not want to have immigrants coming over from France. These people are not thinking straight. In France, the media culture is very anti-American, and people are relatively well-off. This means that a regular French person would never think of coming to America. A French person who does come to America must really want it. Such a person is more likely to be patriotic than would a person from a place such as Nigeria, where sentiment is highly pro-American and many regular people want to come to the United States.

    I had a girlfriend from Portland, Oregon, who found the “European pretentions” of Portland yuppies to be annoying. She was not looking at why they had these “pretentions.” These people wanted to have in their lives some kind of style; and if they were going for that to Europe or to Japan, it was simply because these places were better at doing style than was Portland.

    Were they “pretentious” or “posers” or “snobs”? No. In fact these people improve their country by bringing into it something from another place that has value. The Europeans are better at culture and style than Americans, and that has a legitimate appeal to people in America. By bringing something good into one's country from another place, one improves one's country.

    The person from India or China or Russia who looks up to American political or economic systems is likewise not a “poser” or a “snob.” He is someone who sees something that Americans do better than do the folks at home. And he improves his country by bringing that influence into it.

    Similarly people improve other countries by bringing into them worthwhile things from abroad. A Russian immigrant to America brings education and culture that exerts a positive effect on America. And a man from American feminist culture immigrating to Australia brings better ideas of how to treat women, likewise improving the country to which he comes.

    Countries grow that way; cultures grow that way. In all cases, there are people loyal to bad habits and wrong ideas who object to this – such as people in Portland seeing yuppies as “pretentious” or “snobs,” or folks in Australia posting slander against me. That is because they want to maintain their inferior habits and are threatened through introduction of better ways. These people think that they are loyal citizens, but actually they exert a destructive influence on their home society. They oppose introduction of better ways into their country and keep their country from benefiting through introduction of these ways.

    America benefits through introduction of style from Europe or Japan; and Australia benefits through introduction of more gentlemanly attitudes. Similarly Russia benefits through introduction of American or Australian ideas of how to do politics and economics. The people who oppose any of the above in the name of patriotism or “their way of life” are either deluded or lying. Countries grow through introduction of good ideas from abroad. And that is the case with every country.
     
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    Maybe the French guy is coming here because France kicked him out and wouldn't give him a free ride.
     
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    Why does it seem that there are so many individuals who seek to corrupt an Established place/entity, etc with the 'Freedom by the rod', concept? Would a huge portion of it have anything to do with sexual liberty?


    In 1852, a writer named Marx Edgeworth Lazarus published a tract entitled "Love vs. Marriage pt. 1," in which he portrayed marriage as "incompatible with social harmony and the root cause of mental and physical impairments." Lazarus intertwined his writings with his religious teachings, a factor that made the Christian community more tolerable to the free love idea.[4] Elements of the free-love movement also had links to abolitionist movements, drawing parallels between slavery and "sexual slavery" (marriage), and forming alliances with black activists.

    American feminist Victoria Woodhull (1838–1927), the first woman to run for presidency in the U.S. in 1872, was also called "the high priestess of free love". In 1871, Woodhull wrote: "Yes, I am a Free Lover. I have an inalienable, constitutional and natural right to love whom I may, to love as long or as short a period as I can; to change that love every day if I please, and with that right neither you nor any law you can frame have any right to interfere".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love


    Laws of Indemnity and Conspicuous


    Indemnity is a right which insures to a person who, without active fault on his/her own part, has been compelled, by reason of some legal obligation, to pay damages occasioned by the initial negligence of another, and for which s/he himself is only secondarily liable. [Builders Supply Co. v. McCabe, 366 Pa. 322 (Pa. 1951)]

    https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/indemnity

    Conspicuous means clearly visible or obvious to the eye or mind. It can be something attracting a person's attention. Under Uniform Commercial Code (UCC § 1-201(10)), a term or clause is said to be conspicuous when it is so written that a reasonable person against whom it is to operate ought to have noticed it.

    https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/conspicuous/


    And also, Codes of Conduct.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct

    "Principles, values, standards, or rules of behaviour that guide the decisions, procedures and systems of an organization in a way that (a) contributes to the welfare of its key stakeholders, and (b) respects the rights of all constituents affected by its operations."


    Why would a professor or private business owner be liable to pay damages for their right of freedom of speech?


    [E]xamples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources.

    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/stakeholder.html


    Definition of constituent
    1: a member of a constituency
    • pledged to help her elderly constituents
    2: an essential part : component, element
    • The organic constituents of plants, animals, and microorganisms …
    • —Harry S. Mosher et al.
    3: one who authorizes another to act as agent : principal
    4: a structural unit of a definable syntactic, semantic, or phonological category that consists of one or more linguistic elements (such as words, morphemes, or features) and that can occur as a component of a larger construction

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/constituent



    Iran/The U.S are constituents to one another.
    China/Japan are constituents with one another.
    North Korea/Spain are constituents to one another.
    Zip code *****/Zip code%%%%% are constituents with one another.


    Unless you are not 'dependent' upon any other, you are a constituent of that other.

    If one constituent gives another constituent the right and ability to 'murder', it effects every other constituent.


    Ecclesiastes 8:11 "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."


    therefore the heart... the hearts (plural) become as 1 heart.


    do executed:
    6213. asah
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow,
    A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows) -- accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress(-ed), (put in) execute(-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, (fight-)ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ((a feast)), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, pracise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be (warr-)ior, work(-man), yield, use.


    speedily:
    4120. meherah
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    hastily, quickly, shortly, soon, make with speedily, swiftly
    Feminine of maher; properly, a hurry; hence (adverbially) promptly -- hastily, quickly, shortly, soon, make (with) speed(-ily), swiftly.


    is fully set / among them are given (verb)
    4390. male or mala
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    accomplish, confirm, consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfill,
    Or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively) -- accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly.


    Why was 'law', not the 10 Commandments or Laws of God, but 'common law', added?

    Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,..."


    Galatians 3:19 : law :
    3551. nomos
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    law.
    From a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specially, (of Moses (including the volume); also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle) -- law.

    1. of any law whatsoever


    Proverbs 29:18 "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."


    Proverbs 29:18 : law :
    8451. torah
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    bullock, ox
    Or torah {to-raw'}; from yarah; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch -- law.


    Romans 2:23 "Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?"



    ...boast of the law(s) but breaking the Law(s) of God.


    law: any law
    law: any law even of God's law
    law: Torah/Pentateuch


    Since when is any 'common law' :

    to justify the wicked
    to condemn the just
    to accept bribes

    ???


    Proverbs 24:24 "He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:"


    Whoever says to the wicked, you are righteous; those shall the other people curse and other nations abhor....

    law : law

    Comparisons of 'law keeping'; from person to person; from Nation to Nation.


    How would a person or Nation be able to boast of being Lawful, high Standing if they cannot uphold their OWN common law(s)?


    The rulings of indemnity and conspicuous towards their own Codes of Conduct has an affect on every Constituent associated.
     
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    That is why it is better to NOT meddle.

    Proverbs 24:21 "My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:"

    meddle / do meddle:
    6148. arab
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    engage, intermeddle with, mingle self, mortgage, occupy, give pledges,
    A primitive root; to braid, i.e. Intermix; technically, to traffic (as if by barter); also or give to be security (as a kind of exchange) -- engage, (inter-)meddle (with), mingle (self), mortgage, occupy, give pledges, be(-come, put in) surety, undertake.
     
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    delade Well-Known Member

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    Not to get off the topic of personal integrity and personal uprightness in The Way, what is Arab?

    arab: to meddle is a verb.

    Present
    Masc.

    אני/אתה/הואמִתְעָרֵב
    mit'arev


    6148 : תִּתְעָרָֽב
    6148. arab


    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    engage, intermeddle with, mingle self, mortgage, occupy, give pledges,
    A primitive root; to braid, i.e. Intermix; technically, to traffic (as if by barter); also or give to be security (as a kind of exchange) -- engage, (inter-)meddle (with), mingle (self), mortgage, occupy, give pledges, be(-come, put in) surety, undertake.

    לְהִתְעָרֵב - מִתְעָרֵב
    [ lehit'arev - mit'arev ]
    bet; interfere; intervene


    Do not seek to 'intervene' on their/any behalf in their places which has their OWN law(s) to which they uphold.
     
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    delade Well-Known Member

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    those that are given to change:
    8138. shanah
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    do speak, strike again, alter, double, be given to change, disguise, be diverse, pervert,
    A primitive root; to fold, i.e. Duplicate (literally or figuratively); by implication, to transmute (transitive or intransitive) -- do (speak, strike) again, alter, double, (be given to) change, disguise, (be) diverse, pervert, prefer, repeat, return, do the second time.

    I. [שָׁנָה] verb change


    Those that are given to change are those that seek to change.

    Malachi 3:6 I am ׳׳י, I do not change
    Lamentations 4:1 how is the fine gold changed
    Proverbs 24:21 those who change

    Proverbs 24:21 "My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:"


    Jeremiah 2:36 i.e. change thy political course;
    Proverbs 17:9 repeat with a thing, keep talking about it
    Proverbs 26:11 a dullard repeats with (ב) his folly, does it over again (learns nothing by experience).


    Why would full grown adults seek to change another person's lifes for self purposes?

    This is like children seeking to 'steal' from other children.
     
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    1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."


    Is it : And when I became a man, I was given a badge, license and a gun?'


    Adults who have badges, licenses and guns SHOULD DEFINITELY be the ones who put away the Childish things FIRST, then receive the badge, licenses and etc.....


    When was the last time you saw a childish one retain upright responsibilities?

    Do childish ones need to be taught 'definitions' or can adults seek up definitions for themselves?

    At what age does the general idea of becoming an adult occur?
     
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    Born This Way

    Lady Gaga

    It doesn't matter if you love him, or capital H-I-M
    Just put your paws up 'cause you were born this way, baby
    My mama told me when I was young
    We are all born superstars
    She rolled my hair and put my lipstick on
    In the glass of her boudoir
    "There's nothing wrong with loving who you are"
    She said, "'Cause he made you perfect, babe"
    "So hold your head up girl and you'll go far,
    Listen to me when I say"
    I'm beautiful in my way
    'Cause God makes no mistakes
    I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way
    Don't hide yourself in regret
    Just love yourself and you're set
    I'm on the right track, baby
    I was born this way (Born this way)
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Baby I was born this way
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Right track baby I was born this way
    Don't be a drag, just be a queen
    Don't be a drag, just be a queen
    Don't be a drag, just be a queen
    Don't be don't be don't be
    Give yourself prudence
    And love your friends
    So we can rejoice your truth
    In the religion of the insecure
    I must be myself, respect my youth
    A different lover is not a sin
    Believe capital H-I-M (hey hey hey)
    I love my life I love this record and
    Mi amore vole fe, yah
    I'm beautiful in my way
    'Cause God makes no mistakes
    I'm on the right track, baby
    I was born this way
    Don't hide yourself in regret
    Just love yourself and you're set
    I'm on the right track, baby
    I was born this way
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Baby I was born this way
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Right track, baby I was born this way
    Don't be a drag, just be a queen
    Whether you're broke or evergreen
    You're black, white, beige, chola descent
    You're Lebanese, you're Orient

    Whether life's disabilities
    Left you outcast, bullied, or teased
    Rejoice and love yourself today
    'Cause baby you were born this way
    No matter gay, straight, or bi
    Lesbian, transgendered life
    I'm on the right track baby
    I was born to survive
    No matter black, white or beige
    Chola or orient made
    I'm on the right track baby
    I was born to be brave
    I'm beautiful in my way
    'Cause God makes no mistakes
    I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way
    Don't hide yourself in regret
    Just love yourself and you're set
    I'm on the right track, baby
    I was born this way yeah
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Baby I was born this way (Born this way)
    Oh there ain't no other way
    Baby I was born this way
    Right track, baby I was born this way
    I was born this way hey
    I was born this way hey
    I'm on the right track baby
    I was born this way hey
    I was born this way hey
    I was born this way hey
    I'm on the right track baby
    I was born this way hey
    Same D.N.A. but born this way
    Same D.N.A. but born this way

    Songwriters: Fernando Garibay / Stefani J Germanotta / Paul Edward Blair / Jeppe Breum Laursen
    Born This Way lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Warner/Chappell Music, Inc, Universal Music Publishing Group, Kobalt Music Publishing Lt


    If my hands are as paws, I should have 4 toes on each hand. If my feet are as paws, I should have 4 toes on each foot.

    I must respect my youth: What age(s) is 'youth'?

    A different lover is not a sin: Woodhull wrote: "Yes, I am a Free Lover. I have an inalienable, constitutional and natural right to love whom I may, to love as long or as short a period as I can; to change that love every day if I please, and with that right neither you nor any law you can frame have any right to interfere".

    Victoria Woodhull


    A different lover is not a sin: Whether you're broke or evergreen
    You're black, white, beige, chola descent
    You're Lebanese, you're Orient


    but it might be to culture and families...

    'Cause God makes no mistakes


    Daniel 2:20-22 "Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

    21And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

    22He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him."


    Even with the Sons and Daughters of Jacob, HE lifted Israel.

    God makes no mistakes but they asked HIM for a king to rule over them even after HE told them that it was unwise and detrimental.


    1 Samuel 8:4-6;7 "Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 5And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations."

    "And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them."

    1 Samuel 8:9 "Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them."


    If God had fully removed HIMSELF from Earth, there would be no 'sane' person in this day.
     
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    Have you considered:

    Breakfast is the first meal taken after rising from a night's sleep, most often eaten in the early morning before undertaking the day's work.

    The Old English word for dinner, disner, means to break a fast, and was the first meal eaten in the day until its meaning shifted in the mid-13th century.[1]

    It was not until the 15th century that “breakfast” came into use in written English to describe a morning meal,[2]:6 which literally means to break the fasting period of the prior night; in Old English the term was morgenmete meaning "morning meal."

    In 1620, waffles were first introduced to North America by pilgrims who had lived in the Netherlands.[51] Later pioneers consumed largely cornmeal-based breakfasts, and would also consume corn based meals such as oatmeal for dinner and lunch.[52] Common breakfast products included corn pone, Johnnycakes, ashcakes, hoe-cakes, and corn dodgers.[52] Ashcakes consisted of cornmeal wrapped in cabbage leaves cooked in the ashes of a campfire, while corn pone, corn dodgers, and hoe-cakes differed only in baking methods.[52][53]After the Civil War, it became fairly common in America to eat sandwiches that were made of ham and eggs. These sandwiches were not strictly consumed in the morning. In 1897, the first true breakfast sandwich recipe was published in a cookbook.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_breakfast


    Where did the idea of today's 'breakfast' arrive from? With eggs, toast, bacon, etc???


    Ham and eggs.. yum...

    Where did they get the 'ham' from?

    Wild pigs (also known as wild hogs, wild boar, or feral swine) are an Old World species and are not native to the Americas. The first wild pigs in the United States originated solely from domestic stock brought to North America by early European explorers and settlers. Many years later, Eurasian wild boar were introduced into parts of the United States for hunting purposes. In areas where domestic pigs and Eurasian wild boar were found together in the wild, interbreeding occurred. Today, many hybrid populations exist throughout the wild pig’s range.

    http://wildpiginfo.msstate.edu/history-wild-pigs.html


    From where did they get their 'eggs'?

    The history of chickens (Gallus domesticus) is still a bit of a puzzle. Scholars agree that they were first domesticated from a wild form called red junglefowl (Gallus gallus), a bird that still runs wild in most of southeast Asia, most likely hybridized with the gray junglefowl (G. sonneratii). That occurred probably about 8,000 years ago. Recent research suggests, however, there may have been multiple other domestication events in distinct areas of South and Southeast Asia, southern China, Thailand, Burma, and India.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/the-domestication-history-of-chickens-170653


    One of the main chicken-related research questions, however, remains: how did they get to the Americas?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...ow-chickens-got-to-the-americas/#758c81c456db


    1492 Legend has it Christopher Columbus brings a small crock of sourdough starter to the New World. Unleavened breads made from cornmeal, however, go on to be the first breads embraced by European settlers in the Americas.| ||1602 Eighteen years before the arrival of the Mayflower, British sea captain Bartholomew Gosnold plants the country's first wheat crop in Massachusetts. Within a century, amber waves of grain grow from Maryland to New England.

    1800s Home bakers start baking bread in tins, rather than casting their formed loaves onto the floor of brick ovens.


    https://www.saveur.com/article/Kitchen/Bread-History-America#page-3
     
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