Possible cure for coronavirus already exists as a malarial drug- just tested 100%

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    LMAO, like I say, it's always a good idea to research a roll before going on stage ;)

    Biomedical research
    DOH :shock:
     
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    Death is not a panacea event
     
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    If you are in a hole, you should stop digging.

    Geneticists, Microbiologists, Pharmacologists, Medicinal Chemists, Chemical Biologists, Virologists, etc, can all do biomedical research. They'd only have the expertise, supplies and equipment in the lab to develop covid "cures" (there is no such thing) if they had actually worked with vaccines and corona viri in the past. I have not, and never claimed that I have, and I don't have the know how and equipment in my lab to do such research, nor the required biosafety level permit.

    Think about it this way: Someone has spent their whole life developing better brakes for cars. All of a sudden, you want them to develop an engine. Just because both of those are components of cars, doesn't mean that the brake guy can actually develop an engine. Is that too hard to understand? Or, my guess, you are being purposefully obtuse, just because your ideology doesn't allow you to acknowledge that someone on the other political side has a valid argument.
     
  4. struth

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    Wow guess you haven’t been paying attention and still think restricting travel to China is racist
     
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    Get your Ebola drug and get your malaria drug under the FDA compassionate use clause now

    If you gonna die you got give it a try.
     
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    Again with the assumptions about how other people think.
     
  7. squidward

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    That's very generic.
    Can you qualify that?
     
  8. Quantum Nerd

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    Tell that to our friend butter balls. He seems to think that anyone doing some form of biomedical research should be qualified to develop a covid vaccine.

    I work on a couple of specific proteins (can't tell which ones, that could give away my identity). These proteins are important for cancer research.
     
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    If you would pay attention to what is actually going on you would mention, the Trump administration is cutting the red tape that prevents the US from waiting months or years for the FDA to stop fiddling around testing and allowing the US to accept drugs that are approved in other countries. Trial or otherwise.
    He is, or will be signing executive orders allowing doctors who have a medical license in one state to legally practice in another state.
    He is, now or soon will be allowing the testing of some of these new drugs on those so sick there is no real hope for recovery without all the associated liabilities that previously went with that practice. A "hail Mary" test of sorts.

    He is encouraging private industry to go around the onerous regulations when it comes to the manufacture of a drug that may help in the frantic search for a vaccine.

    Comments about previous funding cuts are a nonfactor since the Chinese virus was released only four months ago and the Chinese held back on informing the world of its gift to humanity for three full weeks followed by the WHO declaring "it was not viable that the virus could be transmitted from person to person".

    As for universities being indoctrination centers, the righties are referring to the liberal arts degrees. Their medical department labs are wonderful, pretty much free of political bias, but hamstrung. Let both the universities and private industry work on this and **** will get done posthaste.
     
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    What do you mean by work on?
    Synthesis?
     
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    This is the most encouraging news I've heard about a cure for Covid-19.
    I hope it works.
     
  12. Quantum Nerd

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    Study function and develop inhibitors. Yes, we do organic synthesis too, although I don't have formal training in it. I can't compete with someone who has done synthesis their whole life.
     
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    Did you actually bother to read and understand the article? Says absolutely nothing about being a cure for those who have the virus. Apparently all it may do is reduce the time someone with the virus can spread the disease.
     
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    But I bet the brake guy could get up to speed on engine development a lot faster than, say. a horticulturalist. The brake guy knows a lot about friction and mechanical linkages both of which are important for engine design.
     
  15. Quantum Nerd

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    Don't take the analogy too literally. The point is, expertise is VERY specialized. If I wanted to become a virologist, I probably could do so, based on my general knowledge of science. However, it would take me years or decades to do so. I've switched research direction in my lab before. It is not easy, just the amount of literature you need to know is mind boggling, and it increases exponentially every year. A simple pubmed search on "coronavirus" yields almost 16,000 hits:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=coronavirus

    "Virus" gives you more than a million hits. Think about how long it would take you to even read the most relevant of those papers. And you need to know the literature to be an expert.
     
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    If there are so many papers, there must be a hell of a lot of virologists in the world already.

    But I see you do cancer research. I remember complaints about how HIV funding turned cancer researchers into HIV researchers because that was where the money was. Was that true?
     
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    I have just started "cancer research" a few years ago, when the protein I was working on became a novel target for anti-cancer drugs. So, I am not trained in cancer biology either. It started more serendipitously.

    At the time of HIV, I did different kind of research, and wasn't even in the US yet, so I don't know about the funding. It is no secret, however, that scientists often follow the money trail with their research, especially in Medical Schools, since their own salary is paid by external funding.

    I'd say, a lot of grant money will flow into virology and microbiology, after this epidemic is over. However, people have short memories, a few years down the road, this will become an "old" field again, and the money will go elsewhere.
     
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    Just saw an interview with Dr. Frieden from the CDC. ALL antiviral drugs so far have proven ineffective towards covid. Folks, don't bet on there being any quick "cures" The ONLY way to beat this is by reducing the number of transmission, i.e. the R0. Don't let the false "cure" snake oil salesmen make you complacent.

    I wish there was a quick "cure". However, we have to be realistic.
     
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    No, you've guessed wrong. I have been paying attention, and I don't think restricting travel to China is racist.
     
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    Well glad you aren’t following the views as your party leaders like Biden.


    If you were paying attention though, you’d know the president has acted in a historically fast and unprecedented response level
     
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    Shouldn't the Wuhan virus have rights like anybody else?:roflol:
     
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    It seems that pretty much half of what you post here is horribly wrong and grossly inaccurate.
     
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    The Wuhan virus is much more likely to be the US/Israeli virus.

    One might compare the term "Wuhan Virus" to be as inaccurate and misleading as "19 arab hijackers with box cutters". :angel:
     
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    What’s wrong or incorrect?
     
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    That's a good point. Taking a medicine that violates the symptoms, and aids in your body successfully fighting off the disease, might have some people feeling well enough to move around in public, while they are tactfully very actively sloughing off virus cells all over the place.

    BTW, I did not mean a cure, as in it would irradiate the disease. I was only using the term to agree with the person I was replying to. A cure, as in allowing a complete recovery. It was a poor choice of words, I should have rephrased that.
     

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