Preparing to bomb Syria

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  1. Dr Radovan Karadžić

    Dr Radovan Karadžić New Member

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    I happen to speak several languages. Maybe i have accidentally responded in one you cant understand. Let me try this again....those who claim worthless money can be kept alive through proxy wars and other criminal activities have NOTHING to talk to me about regarding politics.
     
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    Worthless Money Huh?

    Well...just try to tell the majority of the PLANET that as U.S. Currency is used as the official currency in many many countries such as: American Samoa, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guam, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Panama, Georgia....etc....etc...etc.

    The Russian's use the Dollar for Cash Trade Transactions.

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  3. pjohns

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    I really do not think there is much of an appetite, among the American public, for the US to go to war in Syria (or anywhere else, for that matter; especially in the Middle East). And I believe that President Obama is even more disinclined toward any such military involvement by the US than the general public is.

    Moreover, I doubt that any European country (or any other country, either) is looking for some pretext to go to war in Syria.

    And I believe Assad would do just about anything possible (including using chemical weapons) in order to remain tethered to his leadership position--however tenuously.

    But it would be an enormous mistake to suppose that this translates into my enthusiastic and unqualified support for the Syrian rebels...
     
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    IF...Assad were to make the mistake of again using Chemical Weapons especially if they were used on a wide scale....the United States and NATO would INVADE SYRIA.

    Putin has already agreed that such an Invasion would be justified if Assad is proven to be using Chemical Weapons and since there are now Russian Members of the International Chemical Weapons detection team in Jordan...Russia and Putin could not deny a positive test.

    I am not certain if Assad would do this unless he thought he would be on the verge of loosing power.

    At that time I think he would use Chemical Weapons and if he does...the United States Military along with NATO would quickly and easily invade and seize control of Syria in about 72 Hours.

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  5. pjohns

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    Why?

    Do you really believe that a majority of Americans would approve of our becoming militarily involved in Syria, either with or without Assad's using chemical weapons against the Syrian people?
     
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    I have no doubt that the U.S. population would not want to invade Syria...never the less...if Assad is proven to have used Chemical Weapons again...Syria WILL be invaded.

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  7. Tommy Palven

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    It doesn't take more than a few well-placed stories supplied to the Associated Press by "unidentified officials" in the State Dept and Pentagon to gin up vast support for an invasion of any country at any time.
     
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    No doubt about that.

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    Hey, what happened to those bombs predicted in the OP? I've haven't heard one thing or read one word that a single bomb has been prepped for Syria, much less dropped.
     
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    So, what you are suggesting, apparently, is that most Americans would oppose our military involvement in Syria; but the president would simply ignore that sentiment, and plunge ahead anyway.

    Given the fact that President Obama has made something of a fetish of his approval ratings--yes, even post-2012 presidential election--it strikes me as highly doubtful that the man would override overwhelming public sentiment in America. (He does, after all, want to return control of the House to the Democrats in 2014--something I would view as a longshot, at best; but he seems to think it is possible--and he must surely be aware that a Democratic president's militaristic actions in Syria would redound against Democrats in the fall 2014 midterms.)
     
  11. Dr Radovan Karadžić

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    See...we'could've carried on our discussion without the msgs inbetween.

    Most of us dont understand international currency economics. Not even our homeland system sometimes. Essentially, money has to be valuable. So how do we achieve that state? What do we put behind our money? Explain that to me im a little slow....
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    The only thing that matters as far as any monetary system or economic health is concerned is how important is a specific country to the world wide economy and how important is the exports and imports of a specific country to the rest of the world.

    So when we look at a country like Greece that is a state of Economic free fall....what does Greece have to offer the rest of the world from an economic point, a military point, a resource point and and if Greece for some crazy reason was to vanish from the face of the Earth...what would be the adverse effects?

    Sorry to say there would not really be any adverse effects economically, militarily from a security aspects and Greece has no resources that the world cannot do without.

    Now let's imagine that the U.S. vanished off the face of the Earth. What would be the effects world wide?

    It would be a F@#&*$# DISASTER!

    The Chinese Economy would COLLAPSE within 2 weeks. So would the economies of all of Asia and Europe.

    The Countries in Africa would immediately be at war as it is the United States Food, Water and Medical Aid that prevents one African Nation from invading another for food and such as right now the United States Farmers grow more than 2 Times more Food Crops than THE ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED.

    Most of Africa depends upon U.S. Food Aid just to prevent their people from starving!

    As well Russia, China, India and many more countries who not only get Millions of Tons of U.S. Wheat, Corn, Rye, Soy Bean and other crops sent to them in Aid but also buy Food from the U.S. be it Wheat and Corn or Beef and Pork. A single U.S. State of Virginia raises more Pigs than the ENTIRE PLANET COMBINED!

    Russia and the Soviet Union has for over a CENTURY depended upon U.S. Aid and purchases U.S. Wheat, Corn and Rye...etc...to help get itself through the cold Russian Winters as Russia has a very difficult time growing such crops due to the poor weather.

    It is estimated that without U.S. Food, Water and Medical Aid donations over 800 MILLION People would DIE within a year.

    Without the existence of the United States in some crazy scenario...over 3 BILLION PEOPLE WOULD DIE DUE TO STARVATION, DISEASE AND THIRST.

    As well the U.S. Economy being the Worlds LARGEST by a great margin...300 Million People in the U.S. create a Gross National Product of $17.7 TRILLION apposed to the 2nd largest economy...China with 1.7 Billion people generating ONLY a bit more than $6 Trillion.

    94% of the Chinese Economy and thus GNP is generated from Chinese Exports to the United States thus $5.64 Trillion of the Chinese Gross National Product comes from shipping goods to the U.S. which purchases them. No...U.S....No.....Purchasing of Chinese Goods....No....Chinese Exports....No...$5.64 Trillion collected from U.S. Companies....thus remaining Chinese GNP would be at ONLY $360 Billion.

    If this crazy scenario happened China could not survive on a $360 Billion GNP for an Economy. OVER 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH IN CHINA.

    As well if the U.S. Did Not Exist over 5 BILLION PEOPLE WOULD STARVE WORLD WIDE!

    The United States Military keeps various countries from going to war against each other and the U.S. Navy allow safe trade shipping upon the Oceans of the Earth.

    Just about every singe major technological development has come from the United States.

    And in the cases such technology did not originate here it was still developed for commercial use.

    Telephones, Radio, Television, Satellite Tech, Computer Technology, The Internet, Cell Phones, Auto's, Assembly Lines, Business Structure and Practices, Automated Farming Technology, Genetic Engineering, Medicine.

    The United States is home to more Nobel Prize Winners than any other country in the world.

    The United States is home to the largest number by far of the best Colleges and Universities in the World.

    The United States is responsible for developing high Technology Energy Generation and Creation and Production in the fields of Oil, Natural Gas, Solar, Atomic Fission and Fusion, Geothermal...etc.

    The United States is responsible for thrice stopping the domination of the World by Germany and of course Japan and the Soviet Union.

    I could go on listing ALL DAY. The point is THE WOLD NEEDS THE UNITED STATES.

    For anyone to think the United States would ever be allowed to fail either economically or in the areas of the fields I listed above...well they are kidding themselves.

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  13. Monster Zero

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    PREZ. OBAMA STOP KILLING THE FAMILIES OF SYRIA WITH YOUR AL QUEDA TERRORISTS !!!

    Libyan Rebel Commander Admits his Fighters Have Al-Qaeda Links

    Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

    In the final analysis, the continual disruptions at progressive and alternate media whether it is year after year blatant inaccuracy, peddling lies, silencing the majority (at least 60% of Americans object to Afghanistan), as well as overt suppression of Third Party candidates, is far too constant to be coincidental. The Democrat Party, NPR, Pacifica radio/TV hosts have tried unceasingly to protect the govmnts "War on Terror" policy on Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan by portraying it as a "just wars", while, at the same time, limiting their own critiques or attacks of the GOP on the NeoCons Iraq policy. The record is clear, it is one of govmnt control, censorship ,and suppression. The division, derision, and disruption of the core values of anti war progressives to be characterized as merely "honest mistakes" or "differing opinion" among writers and hosts is an utter and complete falsehood! You cannot be for war one day, and against it the next, or support the truth under George W. Bush, but then seek to hide the truth under Barack Obama, the way Thom Hartman, Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz, Norman Goldman,and Mike Malloy do today. They know the lies, but still hide the truth, even as they admit the hijacking of the U.S. corporate media, by power mad oil oligarchs, and war machines, and understand clearly that freedom of speech is destroyed in the current system, surely they assist in dismantling it thru censorship. Amy Goodman uncritically mouths and reports THE BIG LIE, setting up provisional U.S. puppet transitional governments by the State Dept., before Libya and Syria civllians, military, and leaders are assasinated ...DEMOCRACY NOW doesnt mean installing a new govmnt whenever you want. The rebels ARE MERELY MERCENARIES FOR HIRE, RUTHLESS KILLERS WHO CARE NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA, WHO ARE BEING ATTACKED, SO THAT RABID CORPORATISTS CAN PLUNDER THE NATION – shame on Amy Goodman, you govmnt paid liar and propagandist. Hillary/Susan Rice deliberately sabotage cease fires and UN observer missions by having the terrorist ramp up the bombings of civillian targets – a police station, a TV station, a courthouse. The next Sec of State will starve Syria like Iraq, Albright said it was ok in Iraq but the U.N. estimate of those killed in Iraq sanctions in the 90′s was 1.5 million including 500,000 children – thats genocide - intentional or not … it seems if you believe the words of the President, and Sec. of States ruthless policy decisions regarding Syria.

    Can the casualty figures used on Democracy Now by the NGOs be trusted?

    No, indeed not.

    “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights” based in London and receiving the entirety of their reports via “phone” & YouTube videos from Syria, is working in coordination with both US-funded NGOs and the British Foreign Minister. Considering that Hague similarly coddled Libyan opposition leaders in London while playing a key role in promoting the NATO attack on Libya and the subsequent installation of a BP oilman as “prime minister,” Abdelrahman’s consorting signifies a verbatim repeat of the now openly fraudulent and genocidal NATO campaign in Libya.”




    Land Destroyer: Syrian NGOs Working Directly With British Government


    Clinton on Syria: Astounding Lies, Zero Legitimacy

    Land Destroyer: Clinton on Syria: Astounding Lies, Zero Legitimacy

    Censorship of the Report of the League of Arab States Mission to Syria

    "The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines."

    Censorship


    "The US government has today decided to impose swingeing sanctions on Syria, even freezing all its assets. This is a long-expected attack on Syria, aimed at destroying another obstacle to US control of the Middle East and preparing the way for an attack on Iran.

    Clearly there are human rights concerns in Syria, but banning exports of oil will effectively also ban imports of food, medicine and other humanitarian goods.

    The move has been supported by Human Rights Watch, who seem to have forgotten the lessons of the Iraqi sanctions, or perhaps are so wedded to US foreign policy that they don’t care."

    Syria sanctions: infanticide masquerading as policy? « Human rights investigations

    [video=youtube;3OywA0ry610]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OywA0ry610[/video]


    DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU KNOW THE REAL STORY OF
    AL QUEDA ???



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    There is a huge gap in what the world knows about 9/11 and what the 911 commission discovered and published. Without going into conspiracy theories, we are simply reporting the fact that 84% of Americans and more Non-Americans simply do not believe the official theory.

    Only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks: New York Times/CBS News poll | Rupee News

    One in seven believe U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks in conspiracy

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    Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew

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    Richard Clark and his "blowback" theory not only was megaphoned thru the papers and internet to support the pre-determined, scheduled, war on terror. Admitting that Bush ordered suboordinates 'to link 9/11 with Iraq' was no bombshell because the White House had already been using the TV news channels as a blownhorn to signal the false nuclear threat, and the supposed 9/11 connection to Saddam. Americans think that 7 trillion dollars in energy reserves in Iraq (why else blame them?) is somehow not enough reason for the U.S. Government to have planned and conducted 9/11 by using war games.

    Add to that, another 4 trillion dollars in energy (at least) in the Caspian region to be piped thru Af-Pak, still believe their rosy government "democracy"is not that evil. Hillary, Obama, and the Democrats are just as evil and deceitful in voting in more wars and lies. We all remember Hillary Clinton famous speech on the eve of the Iraq war vote and gave her support for invasion and mass extermination. Just like Bush, Cheney, and the NeoCons and the Republicans they invoked 9/11 as justification. Hillary, the DLC Democrat (it so happens that most DLC Dems are CFR also) was universally scorned by Progressives. But then, the peace prize Obama hires her and then here come the CFR wars - Pakistan, Libya, Syria, then Iran. Fear, terror, psychological warfare, brainwashing, apparently worked. Americans know murder is a crime. Americans knew Iraq was innocent. Americans knew 9/11 was not connected to Iraq. But people went and voted for Obama-Hillary in 2012 anyway.

    also:

    A British minister speaks out ...

    “the plans of the neo-conservatives in Washington for action against Afghanistan and Iraq were well in hand before September 11.”

    Meacher sparks fury over claims on September 11 and Iraq war | Politics | The Guardian


    Why did the Kathryn Bigelow Bin Laden film lose at the Oscars? It should've because its FICTION.
    Aren’t we so glad Osama was BURIED AT SEA ACCORDING TO MUSLIM LAW? What Muslim law was that exactly? Now that Bin Laden, (AKA Emmanuel Goldstein, is dead in 2001 from kidney failure), a composite was created by Big Brother (AKA the Pentagon/CIA) fake videos and audios to keep the masses in perpetual fear ...

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    Media Lying & Censorship Blocks Afghan War Debate

    "Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it…. America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based.”

    Media lying & censorship blocks Afghan War Debate
     
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    What is your point Zero?

    As long as countries and dictatorships like Assad's can't get their S#!% Together...we will have to come in and take care of business.

    The United States is in the Middle East for ONE REASON....OIL. We have to protect the Oil shipments and production.

    Now we will not be there forever as the moment the U.S. Military releases the Low Temp. Micro-Fusion Reactor Tech. it has been sitting on for well over a decade....we will leave the Middle East faster than one could say Burka!

    For the time being the countries of the Middle East...well some of them that have Oil and Gas...are enjoying an great influx of Wealth.

    It is not our fault the people there would rather fight us and each other rather than just enjoying the massive flow of American Money.

    Some day we will leave and the party will be over for the Middle East and that day could be in 3 years. Low Temp. Micro-Fusion Reactor Tech. will completely end the reliance upon foreign oil for us and the Middle East will be S#!% OUT OF LUCK!

    I suppose after we leave you can all go back to killing one another...yeah...as if you ever stopped.

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  15. Jazz

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    We have no business to take over other countries' business!!!
    True, but also to make sure those countries will never pose a threat to Israel, that is probably reason #1.
    What did they have before their destruction by the US? Peanuts only?
    Now it will take a million years to rebuild and settle down again and make a go of it under the dictatorship of USrael.
    You are completely falsifying the situation. Unbelievable how you dare to blame the poor people for getting beaten up by the US and their helpers!
    I'm not a prophet, but I have strong doubts that will happen. FIRST they have to finish Syria and then Iran. Surely, you remember what General Wesley Clark told us.
    WHO brought war to the ME in the first place? WHO has been meddling and completely upsetting the apple cart there? Those countries are only defending themselves.
    Instead of helping and assisting those countries the Americans with their poodles brutally smash them and take great joy and pride in killing their leaders.

    It is beyond my comprehension how a once so great country could morally sink so low.
     
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    This has nothing to do with morality and I would appreciate it if you would stop associating my stated FACTS with some PERSONAL ASSOCIATION with me as what the FACTS are has nothing to do with my personal beliefs.

    The facts are...as long as there is OIL and as long as we still need it...the U.S. will be there.

    Another fact...people here way overstate how Israel dries U.S. Policy. It does to a certain extent but the OIL is the reason we are there. The fact Israel is there and is an ally is just a secondary concern.

    As well...with the exception of the Shaw issue as that was a policy based upon a Cold War plan against Soviet Expansion...the United States has done very little in comparison to the havoc and destruction rained down upon Middle Eastern countries by their own people.

    Be happy that one of the other 2 of 3 plans were not enacted after 9/11 and hope to GOD another 9/11 type attack does not happen again because I am aware of such plans and I can tell you the result for the Middle East would be catastrophic.

    The lesson here is whether you like it or not...don't mess with the United States.

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    Well, that is quite a bit, but mostly you seem to see him negatively.
    I dare say that he has been good for Russia, and if he wants to stay in power he has my blessing! I guess he has a list of things he wants to achieve while he can, like stabilizing the vast country politically and to build and improve the economy after Yeltsin let it totally go to pot.

    America and Russia once were "friends", driving Germany into the ground, but since thereafter they eye each other very critically and suspiciously.
    I'm sure Putin realizes that the Americans with their vassals have pretty much encircled him... he knows he can't trust them.

    Most other countries also spend too much on the military. It is crazy, but they do it anyway, because we have such unstable times. Any minute WW3 can break out. I hope war monger #1 will come to his senses.
     
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    Because of what I sometimes do...I have known for DECADES what people have just begun to know now.

    When Yeltsin became President he was afraid that the Old Soviet GRU and KGB would undermine him and possibly over throw him.

    Because of this Yeltsin made public very real and very detailed Soviet Invasion Plans of the Middle East and Europe. Afghanistan was the first step.

    Now if it was not for the United States Military we would all be speaking Russian right now.

    If a person looks at what the United States does for other nations how many people we feed and cloth and give water and medical supplies...as well as how the U.S. Military and Navy has helped MILLIONS of people after the Earthquakes and Tsunamis in Japan and Indonesia and Haiti....as well as the Millions of People that depend upon U.S. Aid in Africa, India, the Middle East and all over the world...as well as how the U.S. Navy provides security for world trade via shipping...and a person looks at all of this and compares it to any other country...

    .....or compares it to all counties on Earth combined....it shows just how important and how much people depend upon the United States.

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    There is no excuse for this. Michael Moore, Rachel Maddow, and Amy Goodman know they are lying and spoon feeding the worlds Left Wing, anti-war audience. Just like Obama, the media hosts know America is the aggressor in Libya/Syria and act as controlled agents of the U.S. Government Establishment. It cannot be merely differing opinion, that these Liberal Liars dispense their false reporting. The three "Progressives" have too much education, reasearching ability, journalism training, and experience to know that they are not only censoring and tailoring their coverage of the wars in Libya and Syria such an extent, that it is clearly functioning as a Ministry of Propaganda for the State. This is not just a matter of bias, who defend their Democrat Party, "controlled assets" are from the beginning "controlled" and were trained from the start of their careers. We have been fooled in America to believe we have a free press, we don't. "Progressives" like the Tea Party,and hardcore Right Wing conservatism are both political philosophies and movements created by the Federal Government propaganda apparatus. So you see, many "grass roots" shows and groups are The Federal Government doing PR or a PSYOP to address dissatisfied elements of society or to create parallel organizations like Bob Feldman and Francis Saunders have documented. The things I have documented are NOT simply Ed Schultz, Norm Goldman, Randi Rhodes, or Mike Malloy simply protecting the Democrat Party or their show from controversy. It is like blaming dumbed down corporate media culture on the audience. "You people are all dumb, see, so we have to talk to you like children." Many hosts as well as Bill Maher claim Americans are all stupid morons, implying they get what they deserve and so forth.Sniveling condescension, and spoon-feeding the audience using the public as a scapegoat is the height of arrogance and the elitist mindset. Shamelessly manipulating people with drivel. All we have here are the highly visible partisan dividers, The partisan Democrat/GOP hacks and their wedge issue abortion, marriage, and guns to keep the herd IN FEAR. In fact - thats all the petty tyrants in the Two Party System have left - is FEAR.




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    Uhhh...Monster....Although I am no fan of Michael Moore I have dedicated my life to dealing with REALITIES as I MUST look at what is REAL and not look at what is HYPE or just made up ideology that those with a grudge will create to detail false realities about those people and ideologies they don't like.

    The REALITY IS....as much as I dislike Michael Moore he HAS IN FACT...brought forth a great deal of FACTS as far as how CORPORATE AMERICA basically SCREWED all of us!

    As well...because of my sometimes...JOB....I am WELL AWARE...for the reasons behind why we invaded IRAQ and IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WMD's...or Al Qaeda.

    We Invaded Iraq as a DEMONSTRATION OF U.S. MILITARY POWER.

    So if you could....realize that the Right Wing Ultra-Conservative Agenda is just as bad as the Left Wing Ultra-Liberal Agenda.

    And the rest of us are getting SCREWED in the middle.

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    Look how easily Hillary Clinton goes to invade Syria, letting the mass executions of Libya roll off her back, (caused by her own lust for violence and reckless abandon of the law) , and suits up for the next slaughter. Shirt and tie guys on the TV say its a just cause. No one on "Progressive" radio gives the Hillary the war criminal tag she deserves, the public excoriation given to Cheney. But on a Fox News affiliate, she opens the gift, presented to her by State Dept. staff on her exit, this is the entire "news" story, by the Govmnts own news channel.The Council on Foreign Relations get so comfortable with murder because they have the experience. Dan Rather (CFR) didn't want to "line up" because he was a patriot, he "lined up" because he was brainwashed with the groupthink of the Council of which he is a member. Why did not one of these multi-millionaire media hosts resign in protest of the war carnage or censorship of the inhuman policy, a stuffed bank account they surely have to fall back on. The truth stares them in their pathetic faces, monsters in both parties still start new wars. Humans are naturally repulsed by the murder of their own kind, certainly the fall of some mostly empty buildings and an unproven case against Afghanistan and Iraq is not justified when none of those countries were involved in the attacks. But thats what brainwashing is - a frenzy created by ephemeral factors.

    We truly cannot lay silent and stand by and let them burn Syria and destablize the region with
    Al Queda terrorists running the show like in Libya, opening yet another quagmire, another insane conquest like madmen making pacts with Satan, while Malloy, Maddow, Moore, and Amy Goodman pontificate about Bush/ Cheney like the bloody f__king hypocrite media scoundrels and censors they are. Malloy you traitorous fink, stop the BS about Haliburton, Obama serves them and Caryle even more efficiently than his predecessor. I find the unwillingness you have to educate your own Party on how to get their own collective voice and truths heard in the halls of authority, by merely misdirecting them, shows a lack of belief in the Progressives own "true believerism" to force the issues at hand. To quote a former Jedi Knight -

    "I find your lack of faith disturbing!"

    Oh and yeah - Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Current War Crimes: the utter blatant hypocrisy of "Progressive" Radio/TV of doing all this "10 Year Iraq War" re-hash shifting the American publics eyes back on Bush while March 2013 marked the second year anniversary of U.S. Democrats arming Syria terrorists, and 2 years since Obama sent bombers into Libya.





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    Back in 2004 I was asked to do a....JOB...that I turned down.

    Bush was in office and the wars were in full swing and all of us were on...FIND THE TALL GUY WITH A TOWEL WRAPPED AROUND HIS HEAD...duty.

    I can't go into detail about the where's and who's but needless to say...since I am..."CIVILIAN'...and not Military...I was able to refuse a...JOB...that I knew was specific for no other purpose but to allow a major U.S. Corporation to make BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in profits as this JOB asked of me existed for no other purpose but to clear a...PATH...to allow such profits to roll into the hands of some VERY GREEDY SOB's.

    I KNEW....EXACTLY....who's ASS this Corp. had their hand all the way up as that person was like a PUPPET ON A STICK! I KNEW....EXACTLY why they asked for ME and my Team and a substantial Dollar amount was thrown at me to get this done.

    Now I know I could have done this but to do it meant my TEAM would have been put at GREAT RISK and I would NEVER do that unless we were needed to save lives...and even then I would have detailed all the issues out to my Team first and give them a choice as I have always known that these KIDS would walk through FIRE if I asked them to...and they also know that if I was to even ASK them and go through all the issues and details first of such a possible...JOB....the fact I would even be doing that would mean to them I considered such a...JOB...as within an appropriate RISK/BENEFIT Ratio.

    I said NO...and unlike all the other times I have said no...they didn't take my NO as an answer.

    They them went behind my back and offered the $ to the KIDS...and several members of this Team at the time had Children on the way and other monetary issues that such an offer would seem VERY appealing to such young MEN.

    I was told of this offer by the Team and these people even went so far as to offer even more to them if I didn't come as they said they would take the team with or without me.

    THAT...is what really irked these young men and despite the 2 month long harassment they went through because they refused....and despite that such money would have done a lot to help such young families....NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM AGREED TO DO THE JOB!

    They told me that they trusted me and if I had said no to the people there had to be a good reason.

    Believe me there was one HELL of a good reason and it wasn't just who the JOB was for but the absolute...MEAT GRINDER we would have been thrown into.

    So MONSTER....Republican...Democrat...Right...Left....it's always been about MONEY!

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    Did you ever notice the CFR Democrats always voted for the Iraq War funding, and reauthorization???

    Then there is the media guys - you know - the CFR guys always pushing new wars for the Military Industrial Complex, or apologists for imperialism, like Bill Clinton, or authors like: Tom Friedman, Condoleezza Rice, Dan Rather, James Zogby, Bill Moyers, Jim Lehrer, Angelina Jolie, Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, Joe Biden, Peter Bergen of CNN, etc.

    How of many of you so called critics even knew that Saddam only used chemical weapons on Iran or his own people after the United States CIA gave him the technology?

    There is only one solution for high crimes: removal from office

    how many people did Obama illegally torch in Libya war crimes? 50,000? 100,000?
    A million? And again by arming/aiding Al Queda in Syria? 20,000? 30,000?

    BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED, remember that slogan about Iraq found on nearly every Left-Wing site in the blogosphere ???

    (You don't see it anymore on the blogs about Obama, you also don't hear"No Blood for Oil," anymore either, even though he is also all about that - Syria, Libya, Af-Pak - and because, of course, Democrat Party Liberals are such hypocrites.


    Where is the outspoken Michael Moore during all this Syrian and Libyan conflagration?
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    You are right that people like Michael Moore have DOUBLE STANDARDS.

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    Senator Rand Paul warns that our current regime is planning an invasion of Syria:

     

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