Preparing to bomb Syria

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  1. Flyflicker

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    Obama is looking more like Bush all the time.
     
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    Protecting America and peace abroad, how dare he!
     
  3. Monster Zero

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    Didn't the Oil Oligarchs, the tiny 1% profiting off of the brutal burning of civilizations and mass carnage to innocents realize they would need Cointel plants to deceive in the blogosphere/9 11 Truth to preserve the secret of who was paying the Taliban governments salary all the way up to and after the attack? And coverup who controlled, financed Al Queda? (Do we see a pattern here like Syria or with America arming Nazi industrialists?) They needed a media to harbor suspicions of Bush but not the entire 2 Party Establishment, yes? To question Iraq but not Pakistan or Afghanistan? To address the "dissatisfied elements of society" complete with Ford Foundation/CIA money (ahem Mr. Alex Cockburn)? Is it just a coincidence Global Research was founded 3 days before 9/11, or not? Is Al Jazeera a supposed Arabic station that supports the NATO slaughter of Arabs using the most beautiful camera work and top notch journalists on loan from BBC? Didn't you see that movie "Wag the Dog"?Why did it take 9/11 Truth 10 years to expose the absolute corruption of our current crop of cointel media and foreign policy leaders? Because they were sabotaged from within? How brainwashed do media hosts need to be today to buy into the 2 Party charade?

    The terrorist boogeyman in terms of being a supposed "threat" to the muti-trillion dollar American military might has been promoted in Chuck Norris decades beforehand. Its a fairytale. Just like Amadinejad "theatened" Israel, it never happened. The dictator of North Korea "threatened" America. How do we know he isn't CIA like Saddam was, to saber rattle and make nasty faces whenever the War Machine demanded? Saddams biggest war was w/ Iran masterminded, armed, and led by the United States after all. No one ever asks the question how can Iran who could hypothetically acquire 5-10 nuclear missles possibly threaten a country like ours with 3,000 warheads. Can North Korea hit the U.S.? Some say absolutely not. This is where the truth of the "Power of Nightmares" comes in. Complete fantasy.

    The American people aren't as dumb as people like Mike Malloy, Bill Maher, and Norm Goldman would have you believe. The hosts use that line of reasoning on a daily basis to deny you intelligent, cognitive and informative media and government accountability. Letterman and Leno can just make jokes about Amadinejad being a Hitler, or a little nutcase, so when British PM Cameron comes on he can push for fears of Iran and justify an attack, or have McCain come on with his Napoleon complex, complete with never ending self-aggrandizing of his war exploits, and amibitions, his decadent stupefaction fostered on the American people, and the "entertainment" radio/TV lemmings follow suit with Jon Stewart or Goldman parroting endless bogus nuclear threats for the benefit of the Evil Empire and its Overlords.

    The corporate, foundation funded media had intentionally preserved the "just war" narrative of the Af-Pak war on terror while engaging in Limited Hangout critiques of Bush admininstration abuses, war lies, and Iraq. 9/11 was intentionally avoided by the lamestream media so the public would not be alerted to the "war on terrors" many and voluminous fictions, and subesequently voice opposition. Like the Wikileaks torture files and torture memos describe destroyed tapes, the Able Danger data was destroyed, so no one has anything except the word of career crooks. Like Bush Sr. saying he was out of the loop on Iran-Contra, and the arming of Saddam. So too, as with the coverup of the Rupert Murdoch phone hacking, actually illegal wiretapping and spying as his Fox News outlets serve the NeoCon agenda as assets of the National Security State they too were doing the dirty work of the intel agencies, promting fake terror threats extracted with torture or similar unreliable fakery.

    The cultivation of boogeymen continues to this day for the control of public consciousness, to paralyze with fear, and for the benefit of the National Security State. And apparently from these calls at CSPAN, the public has caught on to this.

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    US/UK/Israeli/Saudi gang arming Jihadist Allah-Akhbar crazies

    Saudi Arabia reportedly reaches a deal with Israeli army to buy Israeli weapons for militants fighting to conquer Syria.

    Israeli Radio reported that Saudi Arabia signed a 50-million-dollar deal with Israeli army to supply the foreign-backed militants with old Israeli military equipment and arms.

    The reports added that the weapons include different kinds of anti-tank missiles, military vehicles, artillery equipment, and night vision devices.

    Other sources have quoted Takfiri sources as saying that the Israeli weapons will be used to maintain control over Aleppo and its surrounding areas in northern Syria.

    The report came as The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported last month that Saudi Arabia has provided the Takfiri militants with Russian-made Konkurs anti-tank missiles.

    It quoted militant sources as saying that they had received the first batch of the heavy weaponry from Saudi Arabia in northern city of Aleppo.

    On June 14, US President Barack Obama ordered his administration to provide the militants with weapons, claiming that the Syrian government had used “chemical weapons” against the militants and thus crossed Washington’s “red line.” Damascus has rejected the allegation as “lies.”

    Israeli President Shimon Peres voiced support for Washington’s arming of the Takfiri militants in Syria. Takfiris accuse most Islamic sects of being infidels.
    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/27/315771/s-arabia-israel-army-sign-arms-deal/
     
  5. Monster Zero

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    Never mind the fact that the FEAR AND THE THREAT is U.S. intel agencies always terrorizing their own American public. IAEA this, Amadinejead that, Al Queda here, Al Queda in that country. Hello, the terrorists are funded by our own government. Al Queda in Yemen, or are they just militants opposed to tyranny because Saleh starved his own people by the millions?

    "Does America Stage Terror Attacks?" podcast, click the red arrow

    http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/67548


    Preznit Obomber, serial fascist Nazi butt pipe, pulls a Dubya and says “government used [WMD] chemical weapons” in Syria. Thats pure bull. Why I write and why I will never vote Democrat again, and why Obama must be impeached/ removed from office. All those dead Libya /Syrian people will never see another Xmas because of NeoCon Obamas ruthless slaughter done in secret like Reagans Contras … There are reports of mass graves in Westerm Libya hidden from reporters banned from entering that region of the country, 11,000 bombing sorties from NATO, levelled the country. The fascist Obomber starts a new war in Syria, makes up a lie about WMD to keep it going, will send US bombers any day to slaughter innocent people who have done nothing … and the Left Wing talkers are just whining about the Keystone pipeline all day.This country makes me sick. Or you got Bill Maher blaming all the wars on the Muslims, or the Koran. What a bunch of pompous asses. Liberal talk shows try to spin away from Obama war crimes. Turn off those shows.

    Go here for truth progressive radio network

    http://www.prn.fm

    “U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups, cables released by WikiLeaks show”

    supplemental reading:

    The Arab American News - Syria and U.S. imperialism

    The Dirty War on Syria | Progressive Press

    Yeah - you know its funny how all the "Progressive" blogosphere were intelligent enough back in 2003 to discover all the lies of the NeCons back then. But now the same Liberals cannot recognize when phony lies are invented by Obama to invade Libya and Syria.

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    Well - what is the reason for the collective blindness on the part of these news sites?

    Did the news sites and bloggers suddenly lose their news gathering ability, investigative training, college experience, and writing skills?

    Do the journalists on those Progressive websites work for the CIA, govmnt front organizations or the Democrat Party and censor according to their bosses?

    What about other "Liberal" institutions like the NYT, and NBC suddenly lose their journalists training or are they all "controlled assets" ?

    Even Michael Moore said to vote for Obomber after all his illegal war crimes!

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    Everyone know terrorists and Al Queda isnt the issue, its oil. And since the CIA is busy recruiting jihadis from Libya, Yemen, letting militants out prison in Afghanistan and Iraq to be transported to fight Assad in Syria, who knows how much taxpayer money funds Al Queda?

    Starving and Broke: Yemen’s Renewed ‘War on Terror’ | Arab Revolt |

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    Libyan Blood Oil:An Illegal War of Hypocrisy and Self Interest - DailyCensored.com - Breaking Censored News, World, Independent, Liberal News
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    COINTELPRO has some inside the beltway think tank lackey spouting the FEAR of NUKES from Iran, always the new fear to paralyze the public Orwellian style.
     
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    Who can say why crazy people do stupid things? Why did Saddam kill 80K+ Kurds with gas? He had to know the world would eventually be all over that. Why did Qadaffi shoot down the Pan Am flight? He had to know the world would eventually be all over that. Why did Slobodan snuff all those folks? He had to know too. IMHO, one of the things that make people crazy is they do really stupid stuff.

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    History will remember both of those Presidents fondly IMHO. Time will tell; but that's my suspicion.
     
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    Not anymore. Americans are tired of these wars and all the soldier deaths. I think it would take Syria using nuclear weapons to get a majority percent of Americans supporting another ground invasion. We still have a ton of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq; and are loaded pretty heavy in South Korea right about now too. Putting 200K troops on the ground in Syria would cause a lot of issues at home and end some relationships abroad. Might even put us head-to-head with Russia; which would be expensive and trash the global stock markets.
     
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    Assange and Manning, Jeremy Hammond are prosecuted way more vociferously under Obama than Daniel Ellsberg, and are subject to much harsher, cruel and unusual punishment. Malloy and other hosts censoring Wikileaks revelations of Obama starting new wars in Libya, Syria is unforgivable and the backing of Yemen and Bahrain tyrants as well, and displays GREAT HYPOCRISY while hosts like Mike Malloy continue to go on and on about Bush/Cheney and Iraq.

    The SPINELESS DEMOCRAT PARTY media hosts Ring of Fire, Brad Freidman/Amy Goodman,Pacifica Radio, PBS,Ed Schultz, Hartman, Randi Rhodes, and Mike Malloy is a stunning betrayal of the antiwar left audience depedant on them for news.To Mike Malloys credit, he did a good job on the Wikileaks Torture Files, (happened under Bush) but aside from that no truth telling coverage of Libya or Syria about how those wars were instigated by America, or any other Wikileaks revelations under Obama, like: spying on allies, diplomats, assistance to Syria/Libya rebels, etc. They did cover the US persecution of Assange/Manning quite a bit.
     
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    You know with a country as large and as complex as the United States that has the worlds largest economy...3 times that of China...and a Military responsible for keeping the international sea lanes open and safe as well as responsible for feeding close to 2 billion people....there are going to be issues.

    Back when I first started doing...JOBS...everything was a lot more clear.

    Soviets and Red China....BAD....U.S., U.K. and it's Allies....GOOD....Good Intel. = 1 Sony Walkman and a pair of Levi's....DONE DEAL!!!

    Now everything is all over the board.

    The complexity of the issues and the possibility of failure and then the concluding reactions...well....it all makes one Head Spin.

    I wish I could go back to the day when we had a picture of Brezhnev tacked over the dart board in the planning room....now every week there is some new face of a guy I have never even heard of.

    AboveAlpha
     
  10. Tommy Palven

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    I didn't say ground invasion. When George Bush ordered the "Shock and Awe" on Iraq, whose government and people had never done anything to the US, and had no weapons of mass destruction, his popularity went from crap to about 80% which was said to be the highest rating ever achieved by a sitting President.
     
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    Correction. He had WMD's. He didn't kill 80K Kurds with his urine. What you are referring to is that 12 years later when we got there on the ground, the WMD's were long since gone or had lost their dangerous properties. Chances are during the 12 years he had to move them, he sent them to Syria. And that's why you see some evidence of chemical use there now. My point remains the same though - Americans are tired of being in muzzie countries trying to force Western democracy down their throats. I say let them work out their own garbage; and most Americans feel the same way.
     
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    Whether most Americans are anti-Shock and Awe on Syria at this moment or not is immaterial. On a moment's notice the Pentagon and State Depts can "leak" some "secret, inside info" to The Associated Press- like American ships have been attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin, a document that Bashar Assad has ordered the use of poison gas, that babies in Syria are being pulled from their incubators by Syrian troops, or whatever, and the war drums will start echoing through the country.
     
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    Excellent point. So how do you suggest Americans decide if they are for or against military action? For an average American that goes to work, comes home to care for his or her family, etc. - how do they know anything if not from CNN, FOX, and BBC or from some Presidential Address to the Nation?
     
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    While I in no way want to minimize your points, I would like to point out that the Right Wing talking heads are equally disgusting liars. Rush, Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, etc. All a bunch of scum sucking pigs hell bent on warping American views of current events for the sole purpose of personal wealth beyond what they could ever possibly spend. Well, other than Rush - who could apparently eat his way through his net worth of $350 million with just the purchases of Oxycontin. Are you sure we flew 11,000 sorties over Libya and killed thousands of innocent civilians, only to cover them up in mass graves? How did the mainstream media not find out about this?
     
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    The BBC is not too bad, but if you listen to FOX or CNN I think you might supplement it with RT (formerly Russia Today.)
    http://rt.com/
     
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    Things are changed and there are no good guys to be found, that is if there ever were good guys. You must remember that Capitalism in not about people, it is about wealth. It is about having things. Who ever thought that people would spend 3, 4 or more per month just for phone, TV and internet? We need more though.
     
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    They don't, of course, and what does it matter? It is not the American people who decide to go to war. Once upon a time, it was the Congress, but no longer. In today's world, the decision to go to war rests with one person, the president. If the POTUS decides to go to war, then the country is at war once again.

    That's not how it's supposed to be, of course, just how it is.
     
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    will U.S. INVASION of Syria invasion come in August ???

    "The CIA is stockpiling arms in Jordan for US-trained Syrian rebels, which they will use in an offensive against Damascus starting August, according to The Wall Street Journal. Up to hundreds of fighters are to be armed and sent to the battlefield monthly."

    US spooks stockpile arms for Syrian rebels in Jordan for August onslaught ? report - BlackListedNews.com


    Pretext for a new war: Obama lies about Syrian chemical weapons

    "According to the Journal, the Pentagon plan involves “creating an area to train and equip rebel forces” inside Syria and “a no-fly zone stretching up to 25 miles into Syria which would be enforced using aircraft flown from Jordanian bases.” The Jordanian regime has already agreed to the use of its military bases and “it would take about a month” to implement."


    Pretext for a new war: Obama lies about Syrian chemical weapons - World Socialist Web Site

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    WHAT MATTERS IS THE EVIDENCE OF U.S. WAR CRIMES AND TERRORISM.


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    Still....living in a Capitalist System is better than lining in a Communist System.

    Back in the 80's I occasionally would be in West Berlin and visited East Berlin through the Brandenburg Gate.

    Now those on the East Berlin side...my COUNTERPARTS...would get all excited if they knew I was coming as I would ALWAYS remember to bring a pair of Levi's or a Car AM/FM Stereo Cassette Deck with me as even though the members of the East German Stasi's JOB was to watch me...that didn't mean they didn't have KIDS! LOL!

    I remember the first time I was there and met a few of them they asked me if I could get a Car Stereo as it was near impossible to get on in the Soviet Eastern Block Countries and I said..."Sure! AM/FM CD Player?"....and they said..."NO! Just a Cassette Player!"....as they were not able to get CD's at the time and since the Stasi and KGB Leadership at the time viewed all Compact Disc's or CD ROM's with ABSOLUTE SUSPICION...IF YOU WERE Stasi or KGB and you were CAUGHT WITH A CD on your person....they would take you away thinking you were selling STATE SECRETS!!! LOL!

    What they would ask me for was the Car Stereo...Blue Jean's...preferably Levi's....a Sony Walkman....and a Cassette of Neil Young's RUST NEVER SLEEPS!! LOL!!

    So the fate of the WORLD and the prevention of a THERMONUCLEAR HOLOCAUST...was determined by being able to give the two East German Brandenburg Gate Guards a paper bag with a Half Gallon of No Pulp Tropicana Florida Orange Juice NOT from Concentrate and a Bunch of Bananas....as the Bananas and Florida Orange Juice were not something East German's or Stasi or KGB could get and were considered an EXTREME DELICACY...and then after you gave the boarder guards that they would let you bring in a few pairs of Levi's, a Walkman and if you brought in 2 containers of O.J...gave the guards a container of California Strawberries or a Plastic Bag of Texas Spicy Hickory Smoked Beef Jerky...they would let you bring in the Car Stereo and Cassette Player.

    We would all...Stasi, KGB and us....run over to these Street Vendors selling this East German Bratwurst out of the sides of Vans and Trucks or on street corners on the East German side of the Brandenburg Gate. They would sell these sausages and have this WORLD FAMOUS EAST GERMAN MUSTARD that all of us looked forward to putting on the Bratwurst.

    So the scene was COMICAL as we would be fighting the KGB and Stasi for a place IN LINE waiting to get a Bratwurst with this awesome MUSTARD the moment the awkward silence of seeing and being seen walking through the gate and as soon as the picture taking and note taking ended these 5 foot 9 BRICKS of Men would drop EVERYTHING and run over to the side of the road where the KNOWN vendor who we all knew sold the BEST SAUSAGE AND MUSTARD and would try to CUT IN TO LINE IN FRONT OF US by speaking German....but the Vendor who KNEW US...and me specifically because I would always slip the guy a $10 American Bill as a tip whenever I happened to cross over....would look at the Stasi and KGB trying to cut in line and say in German..... Die Amerikaner Spitze besser!!! Which means....The American's Tip Better!!! LOL!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  20. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero Well-Known Member

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    Well I hope you watched the documentary I posted, which noted how America was responsible for a massive holocaust in Korea.



    For people who still believe that American Govmnt is not capable of
    HUGE EVILS including staging the 9/11 attacks and millions killed in Iraq, look at the Korean war. 4 million dead, and it wasn't just a war against "the commies" either. Its proof that like Vietnam, and now the war on terror, huge numbers of people have been slaughtered for corporate wars in Americas history ...

    This Ford Foundation document from the 50's explains why Americans carpet bombing of Korea was subjugation and extermination for economic reasons, not some "domino theory" lie ...

    "Web editor's note: Max F. Millikan was an economics professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology during the 1950s. From 1951-52 he took a leave of absence to serve as assistant CIA director. Upon returning he became director of MIT's Center for International Studies, which was funded by the CIA and Ford Foundation."

    (It states)

    "First, any possible salvage of all or part of Indo-China requires that the Indo-Chinese believe we are in Asia to stay, not merely in a military sense, but politically and economically as well...."


    http://www.cia-on-campus.org/mit.edu/max.html

    Its a wonder American media lionize people like Ike who had that horrendous Korean war, most of which was hidden from us in our schools and textbooks. My history teacher was even a Korean war vet but he told us NOTHING.This website tells about our history there, millions killed, and HORRENDOUS ATROCITIES, a worthwhile read ...

    "In the first three months of the war, the U.S. drops almost seventy million pounds of napalm on the people of Korea and carpet bombs Korean towns and cities on a massive scale. Literally thousands of small villages and their inhabitants are reduced to ash by the United States of America. The U.S. also uses phosphorous bombs against the people of Korea. During 1951, the U.S. drops an average of 70,000 gallons of napalm on Korea EVERY DAY."

    "By the time of the armistice in 1953, almost four million Koreans will have been slaughtered, the vast majority by the United States."


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    80% of the American public are against wars (Bush or Obama ones) and yet that viewpoint is never voiced on TV. And so you think its coincidental. Even with Comedy Central. When every multi-millionaire TV talking head blindly cheers on wars CNN, Fox, NBC (on both sides of the spectrum) us conspiracy minded realists tend to think there is something rotten in Denmark, yes.

    Sometimes Liberal d-bag John Stewart
    cheers on the NeoCon Murder Style of Obamas
    illegal destruction of Libya. But come on, its a comedy/
    U.S. propaganda brainwashing show! Relax! :frown:

    Look at Jon Stewarts shameless shilling for the New World Order!


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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That all sounds very interesting, but without letting on what the JOB was all about, it is just a hollow hole you are telling us about. And we stand here wide-eyed and open-mouthed expecting something, but nothing comes. WHO are you?
     
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    I am a PATRIOT and I do not take sides.

    Thus I do not allow myself and my team to be used to further the agendas of either Right or Left.

    Sometimes the JOBS are not so easy to determine their possible purpose so when in doubt I refuse.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Wow, all that for a comedy show.

    Is SNL a part of it too?
     
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    I did say communism was better, that is your assumption.

    I look at things differently than most people. The best example of how I the way I approach problems can best be shown by an incident which occurred about 40 years ago. I was pastor at a Baptist church and as part of the sermon pointed out what the denomination was doing that it shouldn’t be doing at all or it should be doing differently.
    After the service a Deacon asked me why I always pointed out the things that our denomination was doing wrong and why I didn’t point out what other denominations were doing wrong instead. The reply was: “I’m not a member of the other denominations, we have serious problems and should correct them before we worry about what other groups are doing are doing.”
    Why am I picking on the USA? I am a part of this country, and believe that in many areas we have major problems which should be corrected before tell other nations how they should be running their countries.
    Most of us have joked about what and why politicians say and why they say the things they do. The problem being that if we agree with their views we tend to accept everything they say and if we don’t we reject everything they say and it’s been that way from the beginning. Our Constitution is a good example of the tone of a political speech and it might be a good time to look at it.
    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
    “We the people” How many were involved in writing the Constitution? A lot less than the number of people who signed it. We were just coming out of a war with England and required a document on which a nation would be based. The composition had to inspire, just like the campaign speeches we hear today. The difference between what was written then and what we would have written to day might be the removal of the word “more”.
    “We the people” were not all the people we would consider to be all the people today as it was only a small percentage of those with a European heritage living here.
    “Section 1
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”
    Most of us should pause and think about this. “Obama is not a strong leader!” OK, so what. The Constitution does not allow for a strong leader. The job description calls for an administrator who can fill most positions associated with the executive section of the government only with the approval of congress, making appointments of short duration when congress is not in session and to report the State of the Union. The President can make suggestions. Does that job description sound like a strong President was needed to fill the slot? It is evident that the President was never meant to have any power other than Congress allows him to have.



    Section 2
    1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
    2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
    3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    Our constitution does not allow for a strong President but does allow for an administrator. All of the noise I hear about a strong President reminds me of the transition from judges to kings in the OT of the Bible. “We want a King!”
    The problem we have is a dysfunctional Congress that is not performing as Congress is instructed to perform by the Constitution but using it to make the sitting President look bad and in a way use approval of appointments as a means of obtaining unrelated information. This same dysfunctional Congress is responsible for running the Nation and doing a poor job of it.
     

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