President of the Boy Scouts says longstanding ban on gay adults... >READ MOD WARNING<

It's not denial to dismiss fiction.

 

As you point out, there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy within the gay community and its supporters on this issue. That's one reason I suspect its a political issue, that gays are more likely to be pedophiles and they are trying to cover up that inconvenient truth.

 

So sounds like your stance is that Americans are innocent until proven guilty ... unless they are gay Americans.

 

I think for some, they don't like the idea that they're entitled to an opinion not the opinion.

 

I'll take that you are being facetious? Or, do you really believe that female/male sex is not heterosexual sex?

 

It was not easy to find the rate of pedophiles in the USA, the numbers I did find varied considerably from 0.1% of the total population to slightly over 1%. And that's pedophiles, not child abusers which includes pedophiles and many other crimes against children. The point is that its a small number.

The estimates for LGBT are in the USA, from a pro-gay source so its probably high:

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). The institute also found that bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population

Or from WIred http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/02/do-gay-people-really-make-35-population/62248/
The polling company took state-by-state surveys of all 50 states and District of Columbia, asking one simple question: "Do you, personally, identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender?" With more than 200,000 responses over the course of six months, this is a pretty large sample for a seemingly simple question that has yet to be definitively answered. Gallup also found that outside of a few outliers, the results were remarkably consistent across the entire nation. Averaging all the state polls together gives you a nationwide average of 3.5 percent, and every state in the union (but not D.C.) is within two percentage points of that average. That's also right around the margin of error for the polls.

There is no chance that 10% of the population is gay, not even LGBT.

Wow, someone really needs to go back to the STEM classes.

You cannot go from a blanket statement of 1% of the population is a pedophile to claiming that 1% is proportionately divided between gays and heterosexuals. Not even close.

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LOL, so you say. As I wrote previously to another person who made a similar blind claim - you can say red is green 100 times, it does not make red green.

 

Again, why would the rate of pedophile in the gay community have a bearing on whether openly gay people can associate with the Boy Scouts?

Are you stating that gay Americans are all guilty until proven innocent?

 

should you ever become a parent you will have a different outlook and understand mitigating risks. I hope with your naive perspective that you never take a leadership role in a youth program.

The numbers speak for themselves

If you have programs for boys and girls, you NEVER EVER let an unsupervised male be with a group of little girls. Always make sure there are at least 2 adults.

You NEVER EVER let a homosexual male alone unsupervised with little boys.

There is no balance between liberal policies and mitigating risk to children. Either liberalism takes precedent or the children do.

 

The question is, are gays trying to hide an inconvenient truth that gays are more prone to pedophilia than heterosexuals?

There might be more pedophiles in the heterosexual community (that's TBD), but that's not the point. If the chance of a heterosexual is a pedophile is 1%, and the chance that a gay is a pedophile is 50% (that's an example only, I don't know what the real numbers are), then obviously that's a major factor regarding gays and children. That would mean that placing a child in a gay home would give the child a 50% chance of being abused by a pedophile, and only a 1% chance in a heterosexual home.

If gays are more likely to be pedophiles, then they should not be allowed to adopt children, and in a divorce the children should go to the heterosexual parent if there is one.

 

So you think it's acceptable to not hire (or fire) someone because of their sexuality? To deny them housing? To refuse to sell to them? Is it your position that it's perfectly acceptable for the straight community to leave homosexuals in the streets, penniless and homeless, to just freeze or starve to death?

 

Indeed.

You are right - the distribution is not specified in your numbers in any way. The assumption that they are the same in both is neither more nor less justified than the assumption that they are not. I made the assumption of equal distribution as the default, pending data not in evidence.

But once again, your claim is no less blind. However, according to your own numbers, even if 100% of all pedophiles were gay, rahl would be correct, that gay men are not prone to be pedophiles. Pedophiles would STILL account for only a tiny tiny minority of gay men.

 

That's true. But the confusion seems to be intentional and biased. Pro-gay people are quick to assign pedophiles to the heterosexual community, but when it comes to assigning pedophiles to the gay community the gay supporters discriminate between adult attraction and child attraction and claim that homosexuality and pedophilia are separate and independent. Its just a convenient and biased creation of categories that by definition reduce the level of pedophilia in gays.

And gays have had wives and children as cover for their homosexuality or in an attempt to "fit in" to society, so adult attraction is misleading. Pro-gays throughout this thread have pointed to people and said they were heterosexual simply because they had a wife, which for some cases is clearly incorrect.

 

The thing is that people use skewed analyses to reach these ratios. They look at the number of people who self-report an adult LGBT orientation and assume that all acts of homosexual pedophilia are perpetrated by this same group of people and they're not.

Most people that commit acts of homosexual pedophilia either self report or are assumed to have a heterosexual orientation. Many are known to the victim, in a position of authority and or a close family member.

That's not to say there aren't any homosexuals who are also homosexual pedophiles. There are but studies show them to be no more prevalent as a ratio among the sub-group than heterosexuals.

Every major accredited, health and social science body in the western world attests to this as do criminal profilers. They don't just make this stuff up.

I think a lot of people probably do believe this as they see being gay as a guilty choice in the first place.

 

Yep that's pretty much it.

 

9/10th's of 1% chance a heterosexual is a pedophile

12-1/2% for homosexuals

them thar are the numbers

in reality, those are generalized numbers because for the most part, pedophiles are multi-time offenders. In other words, let's say that each offender does it 4 times, instead of a 1:112 ratio for heterosexuals it would be 1:448, and for homosexuals it would be 1:32

 

it's a sexual act, nothing more than that. Yet another person who flies in the face of the silly claims of "born that way"

read and weep

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ar-voices-those-christ-has-set-free-homo.html

 

Or is the question: "Why do you think that every major, accredited, medical and social scientific body in the western world as well as criminal profilers disputes this statement"?

Seriously, why do you think they do this? What have they got to gain through taking this stance if, as you say, it isn't true?

 

point out a case cited where a person living a heterosexual lifestyle was actually gay.

 

No, you are reading into it something nobody has said. Pro-gay people are saying that gays are rarely pedophiles. That does NOT say anything at all about heterosexuals.

This appears to be the case on the ground, however. People come in a wide variety.

This is binary thinking, and it's undermining your position. You are saying that someone is EITHER gay or not gay. If all their adult relationships are heterosexual, you are simply ignoring this and saying that ONLY their relationship with children matters. This is cherry-picking, with the purpose of inflating gay pedophilia.

But didn't you just cite a source saying the number of bisexuals exceeds the number of people who are exclusively gay?

Yes, most of the time such people are bisexual. In fact, a lot of people who really dig into these matters have taken the position that few people are 100% gay OR straight, that everyone has SOME amount of attraction for the opposite sex - and quite possibly, SOME attraction to children. There really is a rainbow out there, and your efforts to divide the rainbow into the pure white and pure black parts, and claiming that this is exhaustive, is not in accordance with how biology works.

 

This is false.

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It depends on the ages

Mod edit: It's not against the rules to say someone is posting false information, but it is against the rules to accuse them of deliberately lying. Find a different way of making your point, or risk infraction and banning. Thank you.

 

Do you think it's acceptable to force compliance to gay agenda? And before you say their isn't a gay agenda, yes there is. Look no farther then this forum.

If you're gay it is your life, live it as you see fit but leave people alone and allow them to live their life as they see fit. If they don't want to deal with gay community it is their right.

 

Lol, that's the oldest failed reverse psychology move in the book.

As far as sweeping gays under the rug, it's getting to the point that that could be the only option since they can't seem to do anything on their own besides hold parades and research people that own bakeries and other places of business and try to force their acceptance on those who oppose. They should use those efforts to make their own little gay scout organization... They can call it the Blue Scouts of America and both genders can join, even those who aren't smart enough to understand what they are.

 

What part of homosexual or gay don't you understand? If a man will molest a boy, he's downright gay. No bout adoubt it.

 

what is sad is the BSA did not learn from Canada. When they shifted left and welcomed sexual deviancy, enrollment plummeted.

No good parent would risk the safety of their little boys in the name of political correctness.

 

Except studies indicate it's true.

Here's a radical suggestion: Why not just let them be ordinary people, doing ordinary things like buying cakes and hiring florists and photographers, and getting married, and joining and leading the boy scouts, and stuff like that? After all, these people are only swimming against the current because intolerant people create that current.

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So you are arguing that the best way to address ignorance and fear is to reward it? Really?

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Tell me, sec, if you were to call a dog's tail a leg, how many legs would a dog have?