PreteenCommunist - ask me anything ^.^

Fascism and Nazism are whatever the left hate. However, the reality is the both Fascism and Nazism are both left wing ideologies and were born out of the communist school of thought (the left are so ashamed of their past, that they have to use word games to survive).

 

Republican Wall Street financed both Hitler and the Bolsheviks:



http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

https://archive.org/stream/WallStre...ion/WallStreetTheBolshevikRevolution_djvu.txt





Mind you the author was Professor Anthony Sutton who was a CONSERVATIVE.

 

TL;DR;

Quote from Hitler himself:

Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:

Gregor Strasser, National Socialist theologian, said:

Hilter's policies were very much socialist in nature and in intent. We can argue about his policies if you really want to.....

 

In Red is the 10 planks of communism.

10 points if you can workout where the blue text comes from.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

17: We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

14: We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15: We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

11: Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

12: In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

5: Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

This was already in effect before hitler was even born.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_cinema

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

13: We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14: We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

16: We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

20: The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

 

I mean your blog here on this site. Well, you went into it a bit. The idea that people are individuals didn't seem to be too attractive to you, but yes, everyone is an individual. We may have similarities and share some things in common but we are all different. I don't think you are intentionally avoiding the human nature discussion, I just think that you are pretty inexperienced and not familiar with human nature.

Lol. Experience teaches you MANY things that books cannot. True story.

As far as the lengthy posts, whatever floats your boat, but realize that a lot of people will skim by them when they are taking up half a page on the forum. I suppose in this instance, since this is your thread about yourself, it's a little different though.

 

He also called himself a Catholic which right wing Christians (especially Catholics) deny. Hitler and his political henchmen profited much from war. In the end he paid for his crimes but many of those capitalists kept their profits.

 

Pick up a history book.

The Nazis were actively against the communists and the communists were actually the first to go to the concentration camps, along with other political dissidents. Furthermore, the fascists used a quasi-capitalist form of economy, and despised liberalism of any kind. Communist school of thought....what, is that Germany? or Austria? What does that even mean?

Fascism is a centrist ideology, it's just radical centrism. You can't apply US political thinking to world ideologies. Like, would the English monarchy be a left or right government? In the grand scheme of things, monarchy is more right wing economically, but nowadays, in the US, the left promote more government intervention into the economy, so you could argue that it is a liberal ideology. But it's really not, you can't look at politics like that.

 

See that's my point. The left are so ashamed of their past and their own ideology, that they have to use word games to try and convince the voting public to vote for them. On the other side of the isle, capitalism, liberalism, and other successful forms of government have been able to successfully run society, not from forcing people to follow the rules. But they have succeeded by the means of natural selection.

The whole idea of left and right came from the French.

From the Wiki:

I myself believe that religion is a much better form of social governance than an elected people's representative. Firstly religion is harder to change than that of a president or prime minister and as such is less likely to be corruptible. I also believe the individual is agiler when it comes to running a country. There are things that centralising of services simply can't do or provide that an individual can.

The simple fact is, you can not have a true right-wing authoritarian dictatorship (the ideologies are very distinct and exclusive of each other). So, therefore, fascism can not be called right-wing. Which is why I say fascism, is what ever the left hate at that time, the word has lost any meaning these days.

By communist school of thought, I mean Karl Marx communist manifesto.

And finally, did you work out where the blue in my above post above came from?

 

None of what you wrote has to do anything with communism alone. The Christian "school of thought" advocates for all sorts of things, but we don't say that they are the same as Buddhists, who advocate for a lot of the same things. Just because two people agree on certain things doesn't make them the same.

I really think you've read too much right wing conspiracy theory. Or just listen to the internet too much. Wouldn't you trust the person who is actually a fascist to know a little more about the subject? Like, all said and done, if a Republican is telling me what he believes in, I'm not going to say that he doesn't, in actuality, believe that.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism

Communism

Fascism



Philosophy
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Free-access to the articles of consumption is made possible by advances in technology that allow for super-abundance.

The state must gain glory through constant conquest and war. The past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed. The individual has no value outside of his or her role in promoting the glory of the State. Philosophies varied by country.

Ideas
All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.

Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy. Redistribution of wealth (Nazi).

Key Proponents
Karl Marx, Fredrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky.

Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler.

Key Elements
Centralized government, planned economy, dictatorship of the "proletariat", common ownership of the tools of production, no private property. equality between genders and all people, international focus. Usually anti-democratic with a 1-party system.

Actual idealism, centralized government, social Darwinism, planned economy, anti-democratic, meritocratic, extreme nationalism, militarism, racism (Nazism). Traditional and/or exaggerated gender roles. One party system.

Definition
International theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the community or state. Rejection of free markets and extreme distrust of Capitalism in any form.

An extremely nationalistic, authoritarian state usually led by one person at the head of one party. No democratic election of representatives. No free market. No individualism or individual glory. The State controls of the press and all other media.

Political System
A communist society is stateless, classless and is governed directly by the people. This however has never been practised.

One charismatic leader has absolute authority. Often the symbol of the state. Advisers to Government are generally picked by merit rather than election. Cronyism common.

Political Movements
Leninism, Trotskyism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Left-Communism, Stalinism.

National Socialism, Falangism, Nazism, Strasserism, neo-Nazism, neo-fascism, national-Bolshevism.

Private Property
Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".

Nominally permitted. Contingent upon service, obedience, or usefulness to the State.

Economic Coordination
Economic planning coordinates all decisions regarding investment, production and resource allocation. Planning is done in terms of physical units instead of money.

Businesses are nominally privately owned; the State dictates outputs and investments. Planning is based on projected labor output rather than money.

Ownership Structure
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".

The means of production are nominally privately owned but directed by the State. Private ownership of business is contingent upon submission to the direction and interests of the State.

Economic System
The means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance.

Autarky (national self-sufficiency). Keynesian (mostly). Large public works, deficit spending. Anti trade union and syndicalism. Strongly against international financial markets and usury.

Social Structure
All class distinctions are eliminated.

Strict class structure believed necessary to prevent chaos (Italian Fascist). All class distinctions are eliminated (German Nazi). Nazism believes in a “superior” race. Italian Fascism was not racist in doctrine originally.

Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected.

Fascism is a civic religion: citizens worship the state through nationalism. The state only supports religious organizations that are nationally/historically tied to that state; e.g., the Iron Guard in Romania supported the Romanian Orthodox church.

Free Choice
Either the collective "vote" or the state's rulers make economic and political decisions for everyone else. In practice, rallies, force, propaganda etc. are used by the rulers to control the populace.

The individual is considered meaningless; they must submit to the decisions of the leadership. Traditional gender roles are upheld and/or exaggerated.

Way of Change
Government in a Communist-state is the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by government can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.

Government in a fascist state is the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by government can be swift or slow, depending on a change in labor output or even at the whim of the dictator.

Examples
Ideally, there is no leader; the people govern directly. This has never been actually practiced, and has just used a one-party system. Examples 0f Communist states are the erstwhile Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea.

Fascist governments are generally headed by one person: a dictator. This is not an aberration of doctrine, in fact it is an important component of it.

Discrimination
In theory, all members of the state are considered equal.

Belief in one superior race (Nazism). Belief in a superior nation (Fascism & Nazism). Gender (F & N). Mental or physical handicaps. Mental illness. Alcoholics. Homosexuals. Roma. Jews (Nazi). Ideological and political opposition, trade unions (F&N).

Means of control
Theoretically there is no state control.

Fascism employs direct force (secret police, government intimidation, concentration camps, and murder), propaganda (enabled by State-directed, heavily-censored media), rallies, etc.

Earliest Remnants
Theorized by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the mid-19th century as an alternative to capitalism and feudalism, communism was not tried out until after the revolution in Russia in the early 1910s.

The Roman Empire, which could be argued was a fascist entity. The earliest fascist theories were based on examples left behind by the Roman Empire.

View of the world
Communism is an international movement; Communists in one country see themselves in solidarity with Communists in other countries. Communists distrust Nationalistic nations and leaders. Communists strongly distrust "big business."

Fascists are ultra-nationalists who identify strongly with other Nationalistic nations and leaders. Fascists distrust internationalism and rarely abide by international agreements. Fascists do not believe in the concept of international law.

As you can see from this simple comparison of ideology, they are very, very different ideologies. One is a stateless, classless, collective. The other is an uber-state, corporate power house. They are two very different things that have very little similarity in ideology. In application and means of power, which is what you wrote previously, they have similarities. Because both used propaganda and ended up with a dictator. But they are far from being of "the same school of thought"

 

See the people on the right, don't believe in collective thought, so it really doesn't matter if he is a fascist, a communist, or an anarchist. So the fact that you mention he's a fascist is irrelevant.

Who says I was a Republican? I don't even live in the US, nor have I ever been to the US. I am worried about the upcoming US election because it affects the entire world, and if Hillary gets elected, we might as well start worshiping ALA.

I find it interesting, you say I listen to the internet too much, yet you point me to an article on the freaking internet.

The article you mention is also factually wrong, it combines multiple fascist societies into one, and tries to argue that all fascist societies are all the same. It's like your argument "none of what you wrote has to do anything with communism alone".

However your wrong in that argument. It tests an argument (like fascism is just an implementation of socialism), you need to set of rules, and definitions to test against. I use the 10 planks of communism as the test as it the test used by Karl Marx himself.

Can you come up with a set of tests to say X is a communist society or a fascist society? By that I mean if you were to give the conditions to 100 random people, you could guarantee that they would all be in agreement one way or another?

 

What do you think of a young leader in a film production kibbutz in the year 1939.........
convincing many young people and adults in an area......
to get enthusiastic about producing a film set in their area.....
but in the winter of 1760?


http://www.politicalforum.com/creative-corner/473241-film-proposal-journal-elizabeth-smith.html
Film proposal: Journal of Elizabeth Smith

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Sorry for not being able to keep up with this thread fully over these past few days.......
I am beginning another political campaign:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...-office-municipal-councillor-here-canada.html
Initiating campaign for office of Municipal Councillor here in Canada.

 

Yes........ and there is a discussion thread here somewhere that added some
especially relevant details to the statistics on that part of history.........

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=250421&page=3&p=1061438023#post1061438023

 

Preteen, have you ever ran across the idea that Jews have towards the Cabala? That is the idea that even the most prodigal student should not read it before they are 35. Not because they won't understand it but because they might understand it too well?

You are wrestling with texts and ideas that University professors have a hard time dealing with. Have you ever heard the warning that here be dragons as well as wonders?

 

You didn't even cite your source, at least mine is somewhat credible.

Also, there have only been two real fascist countries, both using the same forms of government. And you generalize communism too, which has been tried out way more times. It's not just the policies, it's the ideology.

 

Correct, an ideology is an abstract thing. Hitler took the abstract ideology of marxism and produced a society based on the same ideas. So, therefore, Hitler was a socialist from an abstract point of view, a communist from a more concrete point of view.

So you don't know where I got those blue bits from.....

Here it is:

 

What's more important, your health or our morbid curiosity in your political inclination?

 

Dear Preteen, I hope you don't think I was ignoring you. I decided to take your advice and write a book(an entirely new book I should say). With my thoughts as sharp as a razor blade, it's coming out a lot better than my last try. I have way more info in 23 pages.(I once wrote a 110-page "book" that I failed to publish). But the downside of that, is that the book feels dreadful now. Can I fill in enough pages to make it a worthy book to read? Right now, I'm looking at 60 pages tops. Is 60 pages honestly printable? I'll respond to the meat and bones of our discussion shortly, but just wanted to let ya know why I disappeared in the meantime.

 

A. Wolff and Chomsky are Americans
B. Its ironic coming from a person who most likely has European ancestry.

 

It was a joke. Yes I am aware that Chomsky is an American hence my awkward wording of the joke. What can I say, I'm just not a funny guy

 

May I suggest Atlas Shrugged for reading?
There is no example in history of a successful Communism. Read Ayn Rand's biography after.

 

Oh gosh, I completely forgot about this. Oops. Well I've kind of lost track of all the replies now, but you might be interested in this: https://commissaress.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/im-not-a-communist-anymore/ (also I've updated the FAQ page on the site).

 

Great blog!

I think that you are correct that political and economic divides are disappearing!

We are all up against something huge.......
AboveAlpha does a great job of explaining it here:


http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...long-term-effects-climate-change-logical.html
Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?


......
Near death experiencer Mellen Benedict does an eloquent and convincing job of explaining how
humanity will eventually overcome all the terrible environmental problems confronting us.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

.... and the answer on how we make such a huge transition isn't there either in
radica market capitalism...... or in Marxism......
Dannion Brinkley was shown that he was going to initiate.... Spiritualistic Capitalism......
which could look like a group of kibbutzes to an observer.

 

It's too bad you're no longer that interested in political discussion as you're one of the more interesting posters here. I can still follow your blog though which is a very good one though not nearly long enough

In re the entry on Architecture. Have you ever read The Seven Lamps of Architecture, by John Ruskin? I think anyone interested in politics and architecture might like it

 

She's a very young girl who should be spending her time doing other things instead of with old men on a message board, don't you think?

 

There's a link to the column I used to write for the Weekly Worker on there too, if you want to read more political stuff I've done. And you can always email commissaress@gmail.com if you want to continue any discussion! (it's like my "business" email address)

I've read The Stones of Venice but nothing else by Ruskin. I'll check it out.