Pro-choicers are the only ones lowering abortion rates

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  1. AKR

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    The fact is people are going to get abortions whether it's legal or not. The only thing that really changes significantly is how safe it is. And pro-choicers are the ones that support intelligent sex education and access to birth control, both of which actually lower pregnancy rates, and therefore, abortion rates. All anti-choicers do is actually increase abortion rates and make them more dangerous by fighting proper sex education and access to birth control.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8305217.stm

    So, the facts are against anti-choice conservatives, but because of their ideology of (just don't have sex), they keep shooting themselves and the entire country in the foot. So, given the results, how can anti-choice conservatives really say they're pro life when everything they're doing on this issue is only resulting in more abortions and more deaths of pregnant women?
     
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    All true but there's just die-hard ignorant people whose agenda is really to punish women for having consensual sex...those people will never acknowledge the facts.


    How can anti-choice conservatives really say they're pro life when everything they're doing on ALL issues is making life harder for the middle class and the poor and their children ?
     
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    Chirp chirp? Not a single reply from the anti-choicers. What a surprise. Facts suck, huh?



    All they seem to do is accomplish the exact opposite of what they say they're fighting for.
     
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    and you won't get a decent reply, all that will happen is that the resident pro-lifers will try to move the subject onto something else simply because this does not adhere to their regressive ideology.
     
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    Pro lifers do not want to punish women for consensual sex. Why do you keep saying that they do?
     
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    A. Because many make the exception of rape and incest with abortion.

    B. Many, including YOU, have called women evil for having abortions.

    C. Many have said that a woman who has consensual sex should PAY for it by having the baby.

    D. Most want to make abortion illegal which means if a woman has one she will be PUNISHED by having FORCED examinations, have to defend herself against false accusations, and maybe go to jail.

    And then there's the poll in the PollForum, Poll: What penalty should a woman who has an abortion face?
     
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    It has to do with body autonomy. In those situations, pregnancy was forced upon the woman against her will. If a woman got pregnant from consensual sex, the pregnancy wasn't really forced onto her. It's disgusting and evil to harm an innocent unborn baby, just to absolve a woman from the consequences and responsibility of having sex.

    It has NOTHING to do with punishing women.
     
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    Gee, gosh I'm so surprised that you avoided all the other points!!! (NOT)

    Please tell me how the medical procedure for abortion due to incest or rape is different from the medical procedure for abortion due to consensual sex.


    Did you participate in this poll?

    What penalty should a woman who has an abortion face?
     
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    Why can't you address the question about the difference between medical procedures in abortions ? Too busy jumping through hoops? :)
     
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    If you know, how many pregnancies have occurred with women who have access to/use anti-conception equipment and/or drugs?
     
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    Of the women having abortions, about half had used contraception that month.
     
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    Thank you
     
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    How do you know that study was true? Maybe that study didn't have that large of a size sample to be conclusive.
     
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    How is it biased? You don't like what they say so it's biased? :roflol:

    Your naivete is showing....it's Guttmacher....
     
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    Guttmacher is a pro choice site.
     
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    :roflol::roll::roflol::eyepopping::roflol:
     
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    Guttmacher is trusted by both pro-lifers and pro-choicers.

    http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/p...r-womens-issues&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

    Guttmacher Institute

    The Guttmacher Institute was founded in 1968 as the Center for Family Planning Program Development and was named after Alan Guttmacher, a former president of Planned Parenthood and distinguished obstetrician-gynecologist. It provides the most highly respected statistics on the sexual health of women and men. Its figures on abortion are widely cited by the media as well as by groups on both sides of the political aisle. Among the institute’s donors are Planned Parenthood, the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Population Affairs, UNAIDS, the GlaxoSmithKline Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.

    While the Guttmacher Institute’s statistics are highly reliable, its approach to reproductive health may rub anti-abortion activists and supporters the wrong way. According to its mission statement, the Guttmacher Institute promotes “societal respect for and protection of personal decision-making with regard to unwanted pregnancies and births, as well as public and private-sector policies that support individuals and couples in their efforts to become responsible and supportive parents, maintain stable family structures and balance parenting with other roles.”

    Comments: The Guttmacher Institute’s empirical findings are widely cited with good reason and should be trusted.
     
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    As predicted a pro-lifer trying to move the topic.
     
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    Dunno. What's your point?
     

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