Explain to me how the Pro Life community can be supportive of the military(which is designed to kill) or the death penalty? It is impossible to honestly call one's self pro life, yet support violent institutions. Pro Life means that all life is valuable and should be saved no matter what. If you start arguing against that, you are not pro life. So in the world of the pro life community killing bin laden and hitler was wrong. Niether can one be pro-life and then wail and cry when the government provides food stamps and help for needy families of food and foreign aid to starving people overseas. In my experience most people are not pro life(especially the religious.) I am pro choice. Regarding abortion it should be up to the woman, not some old white haired guy preaching some silly religion or sitting in some office somewhere.
You have got to be kidding. The left is known as a culture of death, not conservatives. Let me splain. If someone goes out an kills a bunch of people, those on the left bend over backwards to keep them alive. Why? I guess so they can continue killing whether in society or in the big house. If someone wishes to kill an innocent unborn life, then the left bends over backwards to ensure their freedom to kill it. If someone wishes to have alot of children, those on the left snub their noses in protest because the world is over populated enough and carbon footprints are destroying us. If someone wishes to fight for gay rights, then those on the left bend over backwards in support of the non-life producing union. Never mind that gays in the US account for over half the AIDS cases in the US despite being under 10% of the population. If someone wishes to practice their faith via organized religion, those on the left snub their noses in protest and call it an opiate for the masses as their mentor Marx so eloquently once stated. Never mind that those who regularly attend church seem to live longer and are happier than those that do not. If someone wishes to support fundamentalist Islamic extremists, they are usually left leaning. They would then turn around in the same breath and attack Christians as the enemy, even though Christ, not Mohammad, was the ONLY one to command to love your enemies rather then lop their heads off.
Montra, I am not saying the Left is or is not pro death. I am simply saying the right is too. Even more so. The term 'pro life' is dishonest. It is impossible to be pro life, yet support the military and death penalty. Impossible. As for families with lots of children, it is on the left who are throwing welfare at them(according to you righties) and you despise us for it. You are right, I think a 12 year old girl should be able to have an abortion if she is raped by her father or a pedophile. The rightwing would reward the father and punish the girl by fording her to have the child. As for Islam. Lets see. During the 80s repubolicans and reagan built up and supported bin laden and al queda. Yet democratic leadership took out bin laden and a host of other muslims. Democrats supported the killing and over throw of quadaffi, while republicans let him get away with killing hundreds of Americans with the Pan Am Lockerbie disaster in the 1980s. Reagan dropped a few bombs and nothing more. I agree though, the left is vicious. Afterall it was Democratic leadership(not republican) that helped win WW1 and WW2.
Someone would have to be really stupid to get the pro-life issue mixed up with the death penalty issue (or terrorism issues for that matter) or is intentionally flamebaiting an issue. Since this has been put in the abortion forum, I just would ask, "What the heck does Bin Laden have to do with abortion?" Absolutely FALSE!
Are we taking left verse conservative or Democrat vs. GOP? There is a difference ya know. It's kinda like the Democats attacking "W" for going to war in Iraq even though they voted to go to war. Then Obama gets in the White House and continues the war and fights two more with little to no resistance from those who derided "W" as a warmonger. Or how about the GOP attacking Obama for his spending habits and entitlements and policy on illegal immigration when the policies of "W" were just the same. Again, they have the public where they want them which is to pick a side and defend that side at all costs. They are lemmings. And why is it when those on the left go to defend abortion on demand, they pull the 12 year old pregant girl by her father card? After all, these cases are few and far between yet it is the bases for their arguements. So lets take the same baby birthed by the 12 year old girl. Would it be OK to kill it once it was born? This to me is the same arguement.
BS! Explain to me what life is. There is no mix up. Explain to me how you can support an institution responsible for killing thousands (military, and yes I am a veteran) but call yourself pro life. Same goes for the death penalty. It is impossible. I am pro choice. Pro Choice means there is no hypocrisy between my support of the military, the death penalty and abortion. It is consistent. Pro lifers who support the military or death penalty are actually pro choice. How am I wrong?
I agree the Dems who voted for war in Iraq were stupid. However, they were also fed false intell information by the bush administration. You will also find far less Dems. voted for the war than republians. I do not think both parties are the same. IMO there is a huge difference between the republican and democratis parties. Yes, the case of the 12 year old are few and far between. But, do you want to responsible for forcing even one 12 year old girl to have the baby of a rapist? I do not.
Let me provide you more examples of how both parties operate. When the GOP was attacking Obama for going into Libya and demanding he pull out, they passed legislation saying as much. However, when it came time to fund the operation they voted to fund it 100%. This made the legislaiton they passed beforehand impotent. And please stop the song and dance about false intel. You give the Dems a pass for getting bad intel but not "W"? As for the 12 year old girl, you ignored what I said. Try reading it again.
The objection to abortion falls into the general category of objecting to killing the innocent from the 'pro life' point of view. The issue is one of legal status. Up until the moment a person is identified as a criminal or enemy combatant, a finding made according to the law and supported by the evidence, such a person still has rights. Your argument invites us to consider pro lifers guilty of hypocrisy where such is not possible.
No it doesn't. The fact that you think this shows that you do not understand what pro-life really means. So your opinion on this whole issue is going to be thoroughly warped because it is based on a flawed premise. Or else you do understand and you are just trolling to try to start an argument here. I would argue that you are not pro-choice at all since the child in the womb gets no choice in its own life or death. You are simply pro-abortion.
Excellent point. Firstly as for the 12 year old girl, of course killing her baby when it is born is wrong. However, abortions under US law are not performed on babies. They generally happen early in pregnancy. Infact most happen within the first 8 weeks of pregnancy. Now back to my origninal question explain to me how a person calling themselves pro life can be pro military and pro death penalty. They should not call themselves pro life is what I am saying. They should just call themselves 'against choice." The difference between bush and the Democrats is, that "W" and his administration were iresponsible for the intell passed onto congress.
So your objection is to the label but if the label is applicable to the context of the issue in question, it's not really that much of a problem. Have you given consideration to the points I raised in an earlier post?
Absolutely False you say. How so. Want me to prove it to you? It's not hard. ""Under Reagan, U.S. support for the mujahideen evolved into an official U.S. foreign policy, known as the Reagan Doctrine, which included U.S. support for anti-Soviet movements in Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua, and elsewhere.[48] Ronald Reagan praised mujahideen as "freedom fighters"."" Now I will admit Carter did too. But,his support lasted only for a year and a half. AFter reagan of course, HW Bush dropped the ball when he withdrew support from Afghainstan and let the taliban take over. The same taliban/AQ that attacked us on 9/11 despite warnings to the conservative GW Bush administration.
The whole issue is at what stage an abortion should be done if at all. Is it 5 weeks, 4 weeks, 3 weeks, 2 weeks, etc? It seems arbitrary and subjgective to say the least. What about partial birht abortions? Last time I checked they were still legal and the infant is basically full term.
You can call them anything you wish. Who cares? In the end, both sides favor killling at certain times, they just differ as to when and who. Conservatives favor killing murderers and leftists favor killing the unborn.
Okay, not quite true. I mean conservatives also favor letting children who are born die all around the globe. Conservatives support unneeded wars for oil that kill thousands of children etc. Oh and if conservatives favored killing murderers why did they not go after quadaffi and why did conservatives forget about bin laden? Why did conservatives want the USA to stay out of WW1 and WW2? It was liberals who favoured going after these tyrants. Oh sure conservatives killing supported saddam hussein-but at what cost? BUT thankfully you admit conservatives calling themselves 'pro life' is wrong. That is honest, good for you. Perhaps you can carry the message to other conservatives.
I agree partial birth abortion is horrid. HOwever, less than 2% of abortions happen after 26 weeks. I believe they are now illegal in the USA. The lengths of time are not arbitrary. How many will survive outside the womb at 2,3,4,5 weeks of age.
"Partial birth abortions" are illegal. Late term abortions are very rare and restrictions vary by state. Only 1% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks (for the life or health of the woman).
Kinda like the 2% of 12 year olds who are pregnant by their father? Other than back alley abortions and pregnant 12 year olds, what other arguments are there for the vast majority of abortions? As a side note, I have heard many stories where underaged girls have recieved abortions without anyone notifying the proper authorities. I think that this would allow sexual abuse to continue longer than it would with an infant in the mix.
I would say that conservatives promote policies that enhance lifes potential, and at times this means killing those in society who kill. As far as conservatives supporting wars abroad, I have to admit many are triggor happy and have bought into the globalist view of both major parties that the US must errradicate tyrants who stand in the way of globalization. However, I do not share this view and support Ron Paul. You know, the candidate that is the closest thing to a conservative since Goldwater. Really neither man has or had a place in the globalist run system.
Are you actually suggesting a young girl should be forced to give birth to a child from an incestuous relationship in order to discourage continued sexual abuse?
I am suggesting that if the unborn is human then killing it is immoral. For those who think it is human it is like killing it after it is born. What really is the difference other than stages of development? Of course, this is so emotionally charged for many people that they favor the option of abortion for this exception. Is this you?
It's definitely human. You might not be aware that no woman or girl has given birth to a frog (for example) yet. It's not inside the body of a person after it is born. If that's what the girl wants, then yes.
