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Procreation and marriage

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by DevilMay, Dec 17, 2011.

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Yes, some are drawn-in by what they read, see or hear. But YOU aren't the only person who can read between the things which are drawn or expressed, kreo.

    YOU aren't the ONLY smart person; there are MANY. Fact is, that some of those very smart people do NOT agree with you. You need to learn to accept that (at some point).

    And no sane, thinking gay person, using decent English would say what you just said. If you mean that homosexual people deserve EQUAL rights and protections under the LAW... then THAT would make good sense. Otherwise, I think it would be fair to ask you to be a lot more CLEAR in what you actually mean (by what you say).
     
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  3. rahl

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    they don't

    .............
     
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  4. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    Not special rights.....equal rights.......You know.....give all people the same rights
     
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  5. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

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    You do not understand simple logical concept so I can't help.
    When one group of people is licensed and regulated that means that group of people has special rights.
    If you add another group to the first group that second group will also have special rights.
    The problem is that second group does not require licensing and regulation because it does not have any effect on society.
    If you grant special rights to certain group for no reason, then why ALL group should not have those rights.
     
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  10. DevilMay

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    Sure, zero effect if the only "effect" that one could possibly have on society is makin' babies.. But we all know society is based on far more than that.

    Same sex couples do the job of looking after the kids that breeders reject. I'd say that's a pretty good contribution to society.
     
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    Congratulations, you just made the case for same sex unions! Progress!

    ^^ This would also be a viable option as it would remove the current discriminatory practice of awarding benefits to someone just because of their inclusion in a certain group.
     
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  12. kreo

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    So you agree that gay marriage is a special rights for gays only.
     
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    Well of course "gay marriage" would only include homosexuals, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about "marriage" being a privilege extended to everyone regardless of whether or not they're homosexual or heterosexual.
     
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    No we are talking to extending benefits to homosexuals only not to ALL people.
    All people include sexual and non-sexual couples, also marriage benefits would be tremendous help to related couples.
     
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    Marriage rights are extended in all 50 states to non-sexual (opposite sex) couples. Related couples cannot because A) a legal kinship already exists and B) because it requires legitimising/encouraging incest with the ultimate stamp of societal approval.

    You can legalise one thing without legalising another when there are solid reasons for said denial... Such as letting women vote but not removing the age restriction...
     
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    Which consenting adult couple would be discriminated against then? Homosexuals are the only ones that are currently unable to marry in many states.

    Non sexual people can, and do, already get married for the financial gain. It happens all the time. Second cousins can, in most places, get married direct relation can cause to much harm to the fetus to be viable.

    If you feel like non sexual family members (I don't know how one could prove they were non sexual but I digress) should get married then please push for that in another forum, this one is about the discrimination same sex couples face.

    Most gay people want marriage for the financial gain, if they did they would marry a friend (which is legal) instead they want the emotional commitment and protections that come along with marriage.
     
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    apparently, not only can you not speak/type english, you can't read it either.

    Nowhere in the post you quoted does he even remotely say any such thing.
     
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    Who said anything about sexual couples?

    Platonic same sex couples could marry.
     
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    Related couples can't marry.
     
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    You can also go to another forum if you do not understand that awarding special rights for gays without reason is unconstitutional.
     
    kreo, Jan 6, 2012
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    a legal kinship already exists for related couples. they are not similarly situated.
     
    rahl, Jan 7, 2012
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    nobody asked for special rights.
     
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    To bigots and homophobes, giving equal rights to people they don't like, is giving them special rights......If these people lived during the times that interacial marriage was illegal, they would be claiming that the "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s" wanting to marriy innocent white girls was giving them special rights
     
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    I will stay here thanks, and no one is asking for anything special, but I am sure that goes over your bigoted head.

    No one can provide even 1 reason why gays should not be allowed to enjoy the same protections that heterosexuals enjoy... Not 1

    Marriage - not a requirement
    Children - not a requirement
    Sex - not a requirement
    Religious elements - not a requirement

    Thank you for your one line response telling me to basically ****. Proves the point yet again, you have no argument rather than you think gays are inferior and do not deserve to have 12 marriages or get divorced at a 50% rate like heterosexuals.

    You have already destroyed the definition of marriage you are trying so furiously to "protect". Marriage lost its religious meaning when the state picked it up and started awarding financial incentives and protections. You lose, try again.
     
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