Proof! Muslims are training their children with guns to kill Americans and Jews.

Mr cork, is your real last name McCorkindale? Just wondering, for no reason at all.

 

So.. Is that a yes then? A 'yes, let's shoot muslims?'

 

Don't be so hard and extreme. No one said to shoot.
BUT - YES, Europe must return ALL illegal Muslim and Arab immigrants to their 52 countries. Period.

 

Totally agree about illegals, i want absolutely no amnesty. I'd also consider retrospectivelly look at oimmigrants and decide if theyhad a valid reason to stay. And if not, their asylum status would be suspended. I'd give them the right to pply for citizenship if they can pass having democratic values and know sweden well. I wont be too hard on them as they have done nothing wrong, they just diz what we wanted.

 

You will accept 1 million or more illegal Muslim & Arab immigrants in Sweden if they'll know your language and pass a democratic test ??
God help you lol. God help Sweden.
In 50 to 75 years you'll be a Shariah country ruled by a mijority of Islamists over you. Trust me, it won't be nice !!!
You will probably won't be here but your children and grandchildren will...

 

No, I said that I would deport all illegal immigrants. I referred to people who had passed the current requirement for staying here legally. I'd want to see over their cases and see if they had any valid reasons to stay. But since some have been here very long, and since we wanted that, I can't just deport them, so I'd give them a chance to get citizenship as many would probably qualify.

stop being a fool, you don't even understand my position.

 

"McCorkindale" is my mother's maiden name. Old friends call me "McCork" at my request because I am a junior.

 

If you have been reading this thread, you know the F.B.I. did just that in Orlando, Florida this week. You seem surprised. You shouldn't be.

One more dead Muslim. We have only just begun........​

 

The western culture of the United States is based upon the Eurocentric orientation of the Founding Fathers. We have been too generous in allowing foreigners to bring the "gift of their culture" here. They are diluting American culture, not assimilating. This needs to end. Our way or the highway.

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If you define "Us Americans" as "fairly small minority of bigoted idiots"...

Do you really want evidence that most Muslims aren't terrorists? Beyond all of this? Which you for some reason are ignoring?

I guess I didn't see the relevance. You put the emphasis on domestic, not him, and the idea that the terrorists we should worry about are the ones who are here seems like such a "duh" statement, I shouldn't have to comment on it. But note what else Obama said:

And yes, I'm well aware of what he said. But if if you want to assert that he's claiming what you're claiming, then you're taking one hell of a leap of faith. And even if he were... he'd be wrong.

NYT, NYT again (although this link may be broken), Washington Post essentially telling you that your entire concept about Muslims with regards to the US is a load of horse(*)(*)(*)(*), ABC saying exactly what I (and all these blogs I linked to) have been saying... Shall I go on? Meanwhile, you have provided no evidence of your proposition that all Muslims are out to get us. You've provided individual events, performed by individuals that are hated by moderate Muslims, a whole lot of appeals to emotion, and about jack (*)(*)(*)(*) else. I went to the blogosphere because you're more likely to get direct messages from actual Muslims, and to hear personal, down-to-earth stories - you're also a lot less likely to have them filtering the stories out because the audience is bored with them. But if you want to go for just the major news sources, I'm afraid you're going to have to face up to the facts that there's plenty of that as well.

Your angry words are meaningless. The angry words of one strong leader and a nation of sycophants, however, is a thousand times more dangerous than any conventional explosive bomb. Tell me, which is more insidious - a small outside force, plotting to destroy America and in doing so taking on a goal that they should very well know is far, far beyond their grasp; or a growing groundswell from the inside that threatens (and is not beyond its reach in doing so) to destroy one of the most fundamental freedoms America has, and repeat some of the most gruesome mistakes in history?

This guy is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hilarious. You do know that many of the most ardent critics of Israel are Jewish, right? And that it's entirely possible to both support Israel and not think that all Muslims are terrorists (i.e. not be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing loony)?

Says the guy who literally advocated domestic terrorism against a Muslim organization as "payback" for what completely unrelated individuals did a few posts back.

Foreign Jihadists that can be shown to be Jihadists should indeed be put on trial as prisoners of war. US Citizens guilty of such actions should be put on trial and have the book thrown at them. But it should be done by the book. We don't suddenly reduce ourselves to barbarians simply because some other barbarians decided to kill a few hundred people.

 

Then read at least a few of the massive number of links I provided that help take your entire stupid, stupid idea apart.

None of these positions describe mine. I can't describe mine in less than 20 words, because any solution less than 20 words would be insultingly oversimplified.

I believe that foreign Muslims are diverse and cannot all be written under one brush. The Jihadists and extremists need to be shown the door if they have not explicitly committed any crimes yet, and shown the noose if they have committed acts of terrorism - I'm a strong advocate of freedom of religion, but if you can show that they're training extremists at your Mosque, your Mosque needs to reform itself ASAP or be shut down. Your average, everyday moderate Muslim (a group disproportionately well-represented in the US, according to that Washington Post article I linked you to earlier) should be taken in or rejected along the same criteria any other immigrant would be; I don't know what good criteria for that is but I do expect some sort of consistency.

I guess if you want it short: "Deport those proven to be extremists, let the moderates enter/stay based on the same criteria as other demographic groups." There, 20 words, pathetically truncated and oversimplified, but there you go.

I'm not a practitioner, if that's what you mean. My family has Jewish roots, but I'm a quite ardent atheist. If this thread wasn't primarily by a bigot trying to blame 1.8 billion people for the actions of a handful of lunatics, you might be able to see how much contempt I hold for the religion of Islam - its barbaric tendencies; how nasty the Qur'an is; how the mere fact that Sam Harris has a point when he states that the Terroristic interpretation of the Qur'an actually is in there, and that regardless of how many apologetics you put up, it still will exist, means that Islam is kind of (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up; the fact that so much of its populace hasn't gotten past the bronze age... But if we pretend that there are no differences between Osama Bin Laden's religion and the religion of people like the aforementioned Bilal that lives near me, we would make a horrific mistake and hurt a lot of innocent people.

 

My Sweden friend, I really do understand your position. That is what upsets me.
I wonder what upsets the Muslim now in Stockholm ?
The swedens gave them a beautiful home, in return they gave you riots....... violence....
The situation will get worse .

 

Well I will provide one [LINK] that would amaze all readers/contributors. I called Hizballah (party of God) Hizb al (*)(*)(*)(*)an [Party of Satan] since the day they were created in south Lebanon... Now I have a Turkish emulator in the Turkish Government... Pls read:

Hezbollah should change name to 'Party of Satan': Turkish official
Deputy Turkish FM Bekir Bozdağ says Lebanese-Shia resistance movement
Hezbollah – 'Party of God' in Arabic – should change name to 'Party of
Satan' for supporting Syrian government

Ahram Online, Sunday 26 May 2013
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...should-change-name-to-Party-of-Satan-Tur.aspx

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdağ said on Sunday that Hezbollah, or
'the Party of God' in Arabic, should change its name to 'the Party of
Satan,' blaming the Lebanese-Shia movement for killing civilians in
next-door Syria.

Speaking at an international symposium in Ankara, Bozdağ warned against
attempts to incite sectarian strife, claiming that those responsible –
particularly in Syria – remained at large throughout the world.

The entire world should confront sectarianism, Bozdağ declared, according to
the Turkish news agency Anadolu.

Racism, he said, is "one of the deadliest diseases the world is facing,"
going on to assert that racism contravened Islamic precepts.

Bozdağ referred to Turkish theologian Said Nursi, who – inspired by the
Quran – brought Islamic society back in touch with its core values.

Turkey has been fighting militant groups for almost 30 years.

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IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
Website: www.imra.org.il

 

Then we are at an impasse. Let me offer something about my boss. He hates meetings and discussions. He considers them "goof off time," and basically I agree. Often he will look at an executive and say, "Give me 20 words on project A." Sometimes at work I have three points to mention, I will either cram all three into the 20 words and hope there is a follow up question, or I will emphasize my main point only. If the boss likes what he hears, he will ask for more. If you can not craft a general answer to a question like I have presented in 20 words, then you are not worth listening too. Your thoughts are not organized or prioritized.

I did not ask for your bio or your opinions on atheism, the Quran, or the Bronz Age. You have missed the point. Even the question in the OP specifically refers to "Muslims killing Jews," and you back the Muslims. You are either a whack job, or a liar.

As to being a Jew? I am in the entertainment industry in America. An industry run by Jews and GLBTQ with very few straight Protestants. If you are a Jew, you are the first one I have ever met that is not smarter than me!!! I do not claim to be an intellectual, but nearly all my friends are.

Let the record show that you were given an opportunity to resolve this thread between us, and you were not up to the challenge. Therefore, I am placing you on "ignore." You are inconsistent.

[video=youtube;BFtv5qe5o3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtv5qe5o3c[/video]​

 

*Ahem*

Some questions you can't answer in 20 words. I did my best on this one, despite it being a very difficult question, worthy of a complex answer. 20 words to describe my position: it's not enough, but I did it.

Here's one for you, twenty words or less: describe the social, economic, and foreign policy repercussions of throwing around a million law-abiding Muslims out of the country they were born in. Good luck.

I laughed at this harder than I have any right to laugh at anything.

 

You see, you did it. ""Deport those proven to be extremists, let the moderates enter/stay based on the same criteria as other demographic groups." Basically, I agree with you. The United States is not going to deport anyone without a fair hearing. However, the Muslim community in the United States has been slow in talking to the FBI about Muslim extremists. Last Thursday Obama increased the budget for monitoring increased DOMESTIC terrorist activity. I have already dug out the link for my next thread, "There are 35 militant Muslim training camps in the United States." America is going to continue to UP-THE-PRESSURE on Muslims in this country until they realize loyalty to America comes before loyalty to Islam. We can dump the problems, nice and legal.

I still find it difficult to believe you are a Jew. Evidently, you have no idea of the power of Hebrews in America, and the influence of Israel. I would say Jews are one of the two most powerful groups in the nation. They control entertainment and communications. Did you know that while our first president, George Washington visited a Hebrew Temple in New York? An unheard of action in the 1780s. I'd call that Hebrew power! You can not conceive how much that power is. It is greater than the President or member of Congress. It is equal to or greater than our Fortune 500 corporations.

I have had the good fortune of my best friend in college being very well connected Jewish family in the motion picture industry. I am about as close to the Southern California Hebrew elites as a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, (WASP) can get. My friend told me once, "Be glad you are not Jewish, the responsibility can be overwhelming. You are not a spiritual person, and we would not welcome you into our faith. However, we are looking for all the good friends we can get." My friend and I have been able to bridge some amazing gaps between powerful Jews and Wasps in business. We have been well compensated for our efforts.

Intelligence, yes absolutely, when it comes to creative management, Jews have it all over everyone with the possible exception of the gays. Frankly, I don't give a damn if they call it stereotyping. I see it first hand every working day. A few years back, I received a salary review that summed up my success in a few words. "Follows instructions well, loyal, and can provide leadership if needed." The thing about my intellectual friends is this. As they have concentrated their efforts on their areas of expertise, efforts in other areas had to be reduced. An average guy like me can provide "balance" to my friends. Sometimes just making them stop and laugh for a minute can be a major contribution. In American business your accomplishments are as important as knowing your limitations. I may end up a corporate VP, but would frankly prefer to own the best dry cleaners in Pacific Palisades by age 40 while, working 20 hours a week. I am not qualified, I do not have the interest, nor am I working to prepare to be a CEO. At least I have a choice, my Jewish best friend does not. When his CEO time comes, I will bet here as his friend so that he can come relax at the beach, and "dump his bucket." Maybe I will let him run a couple of loads in my dry cleaning machine!

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So, you say you are a Jew? Let's see if you can figure out who does the research for my links and graphics on Muslims? Think real hard, do I have "helpers" to my writing, unless you prefer to think I am a genius? Again, "Follows instructions well, loyal, and can provide leadership if needed."

I would answer your question with two questions for Double Jeopardy.

What is a quick way to provide a millions jobs to unemployed Americans?

Do the first ones who came to this country still get the best deal?

Perhaps I should answer with just three words, "Muslims are expendable."
They have to go, the American people have made their will known.
I think we have been too tolerant and generous.​

 

I'm honestly beyond wondering why it would matter, beyond your twisted perceptions of Jews, like Muslims, being one gigantic hivemind. My parents were old-school hippies, my grandparents emigrated from Europe before or during WWII, and my roots have nothing to do with anything in this thread, beyond to reiterate that I am not a Muslim.

Nonono, you missed the part I was laughing about. I'll bold it below:

Waitaminute, you get help writing your posts? And you're proud of that? It's like the special needs kid bragging about how he was able to get 50% on the SATs, and he only needed one person's help to do it. It'd take me about five minutes with a search engine to get any of the information you're providing, and about five seconds to realize that your posting style is hilariously out-of-place on this forum. Again, I laughed way harder than I should have at this. But it has nothing on this in terms of pure humor value:

So you didn't even think for a minute what kinds of repercussions deporting an odd million or so citizens, born and raised in the USA, could have. And then you have the chutzpah to say (*)(*)(*)(*) like this:

And for emphasis: this time I bolded the part I found funny.

 

I never claimed that Jews or Muslims have "one gigantic hivemind." Those are your words, and typical of your posting to jump to conclusions, totally ignoring the facts.

How do you think the United States stays on top? Why do you think whiners like you have the freedom to say what they think? It is because others are paying the price so you can have those freedoms.

Clearly, you have not studied the world of hard-ball global politics. You are a simpleton with naive thinking.

Either contribute to keeping this country on top, or simply shut up while the adults carry on as we have for 237 years. Got it Bozo?

Sure, friends/fellow posters send me links and graphics all the time. I am part of a growing group of ANTI-Muslim posters. You failed my test given in the last post. You think you are hiding yourself as a Jew, when we both know you are a Muslim sympathizer. Mr. Stagnant, you have been outed!

The important thing is to get the correct information to post, so it is great to have support. Have you noticed no one is openly supporting you in this thread? The reason is you are incorrect, and out of your league. You are just noise with no facts to support a word you say. I tried to be polite and lighten things up with you by saying you are the first Jew that is not as smart as I am. Actually, it is pretty close to you, but I know there are just as many Jewish ignorant ass-holes as there are Wasps. I just happen to work with the cream o the crop. All, I can say is that if it is so easy to find links and graphics to support what you say, why don't you do it? You are lazy, and not even a second string poster. So, I put you in your place publicly, AGAIN.

If my posting is so out of place in this forum, check out the extraordinary number of views my OP gets. You are just a self-serving idealistic with a Muslim agenda. You are a liberal who believes in "Everything for everyone" with no concept of the limitations on resources. You are just another whiner somewhere down the food chain. Give my best to your bogus god, Allah!

Good riddance to bad rubbish! It does not take chutzpah to post the truth. As in your case, it takes chutzpah to continue ignoring it. There are only so many seats in first class my friend, and your name is not on one of them. People like me own the airline.

You are again headed for my ignore list. Your posting shows inferior unsupported posting.

Truth hurts, the American attitude toward Muslims is "Muslims are Expendable," and you know it.
You are making your situation worse every night on television news.​

 

Then why the (*)(*)(*)(*) would it matter that I'm jewish?

I think "protecting the first amendment" is a fairly good goal to have when it comes to keeping the nation on top.

When you refuse to listen to what a person actually believes and their explanations of their arguments, and start assuming things about them, then you make it very easy to make an ass of yourself. You also make it pretty easy to ignore anything you have to say.

Yeah, because everyone else has (*)(*)(*)(*)ing left. I'm the one dumb teacher left with the special ed kid trying to convince him that cos and tan really do work like that after everyone else (SwedishGuy, AKR, LeftySergeant, SnakeStretcher, Alif Qadr, Margot, <insert person on the list of people who have posted any significant number of times other than Pregnar Kraps>) decided that he's beyond help.

Psychological projection was first conceptualized by Sigmund Freud as a defence mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world instead. Thus, projection involves psychically expelling one's negative qualities onto others, and is a common psychological process.[1][2] Theoretically, projection and the related projective identification reduces anxiety by allowing the unconscious expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires through displacement.[3][not in citation given]

And in doing so you insinuated that I'm a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing moron.

LOL! This guy has no idea what I believe and won't accept it when I explain it to him! You know what they say about assuming making an ass out of u?

 

You have tried to pass yourself off as Jewish to put a spin on defending Muslims. I outed you. You are a fake.

You are trying to hide behind the First Amendment to justify the bull sh*t Muslim religion and its murdering terrorists. By the way if you were American, you would know that "First Amendment" is always capitalized.

I don't give a d*mn what you believe. I want to know what you can prove. You are all talk. When it comes to making an ass of yourself, I suggest you look in the mirror.

Your words, not mine.

So, now you are the trained psychiatrist of PF, yet you can not post a link to support a word you post. Yes, there is clearly a mental problem in here.

Again, your words. If the shoe fits..........

You, like all of us, are only known by what we post, not the BS about our backgrounds. You are being judged by viewers based upon your own words. I rest my case.

Can we do anything else for you, Stagnant? ​

 

I do believe that post falls under the "pot calling the kettle black."

 

I fail to see the accuracy of that cliche. I do not belong to any group, nor do I support any group who hides behind a bogus religion in order to blow up any cities or kill innocent civilians. If you were an American you would be branded a traitor, hopefully tried for treason and executed. Tell us, how do you define "terrorist," "murderer," and "traitor" in New Zealand? If you like Muslims, you can have all of ours! You love them so much, we'll even pay the freight!

A million Muslims for free with no shipping! Where else can you going to get a bargain like that?​

 

Yeah. The Constitution doesn't allow things like 'Freedom of Religion' or anything.

 

Really? There are priorities. Murdering and blowing up property in the name of a "religion" is not protected by the U. S. Constitution. We all have your number "Assad91." America is not going to take ten steps backward to accommodate your Islam bull sh*t. The more you idiots appear on television, the more pressure the American people put on Obama to crush you. Last week President Obama tripled the budget to end domestic terrorism. Those are not Baptists the Government is going after!

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