Pros and Cons of the mRNA vaccines, let's hear it

Here's a story for the Pfizer vaccine, with a bit of info on the Moderna one...
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Two Year Old Baby Died Within Six Days Of Taking Second Shot Of Pfizer Vaccine In Clinical Trials On Children

A two year old baby has died within six days of taking the second shot of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in the ongoing experimental clinical trials on more than 10,000 children under the age of 5 to 11.

Pfizer and Moderna are going through clinical trials for their mRNA shots on more than 10,000 children as young as six months old. The trials of these vaccines started in mid-March.

Moderna refers to its study as KidCOVE. The children are also being used as guinea pig by Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca.

Meanwhile, its possible the parents of these children are unaware of these facts.
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Full story here:
https://greatgameindia.com/pfizer-clinical-trials-children/

 

My wife and I did and we are here to tell the tale.

Getting up in the morning is a risk. So you weigh those risks. If you don't know anyone who had problems with covid, then you probably think it's just the sniffles. If you are a young stud with no co-morbidities and are not in close contact with co-morbid people, go for it.

 

At the urging of a couple of friends, I got the second shot.
I told them that if I die, I will be pissed.

:O

 

What's your point here?

How would YOU design a system for reaching confidence that a drug should be authorized for use?

 

My main point in bringing up this article is that the consequences for taking these vaccines can possibly lead to injury and even death. It's one thing for an adult to decide to get vaccinated and take the risks, but a baby has no choice in the matter.

Like this:
RFK, Jr. Tells Co-Chair of New COVID Advisory Board: VAERS Is Broken, You Can Fix It

 

So unsupervised, unplanned vaccine to a 2 year old who sounds to be already unwell for unspecified illness or problem dies? A baby 4 years younger than currently allowed to study?

This death is hairbrained and ridiculous. No one bothered to fill in any information, and this whole thing is months old.

Does anyone actually think this is just anti-vax propaganda? Or if a 2 year-old actually died under this situation it had anything to do with vaccine?

 

I fully admit that the article is a bit contradictory, but looking at the links, I think I can just focus on the parts that seem to be true. Here's a quote from the article:
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A two-year-old girl received her second (Dose 2) experimental Pfizer mRNA shot on February 25. She apparently developed some sort of serious adverse reaction on March 1. The baby was dead on March 3. No further details were provided.

The mainstream media is silent on this issue, so is the CDC. The incident should be investigated by CDC immediately.

The baby had been hospitalized for 17 days, or since February 14, according to VAERS. Thus the baby was perhaps sick from the first shot. But someone administered the second shot anyway.
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Your information seems to be outdated. From WebMD:
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Pfizer, Moderna Launch Clinical Trials on Young Children

This story was updated March 26, 2021.

Mar. 17, 2021 -- Pfizer and Moderna have both launched clinical trials for coronavirus vaccines in children 6 months to 11 years old.

Pfizer, in a statement on its website, said the three-phase trial will enroll more than 4,600 children. Babies younder than 6 months may be evaluated later, the company said. Results could be available later this year and, if all goes well, the company said it could see FDA authorization early in 2022.

Study participants will be separated into three groups: Those 6 months to 2 years old, those between 2 and 5, and those from 5 through age 11. The children will receive first a 10 mg dose before progressively receiving higher doses, CNBC reported. Participants also have the option to take 3 microgram doses. Adults receive two shots of 30 mg per dose.

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Severe illness and death because of COVID-19 are rare among children, the American Academy of Pediatrics says.
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Source:
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...na-launches-clinical-trials-on-young-children

So they know that young children getting Covid is rare. So why these trials? My guess is that it's more money to be made.

 

No, you are MAJORLY misrepresenting our system of science based medicine that has been in place for a very long time.

ALL our medicines go through testing that requires significant qualifications before any human ever takes the medication. Well informed volunteers in small numbers are the first who are exposed.

Suggesting that the case you found is reprsentative of what could happen to the general public is just plain false. The whole reason for the gradually increasing testing and the careful verification of outcomes is what PREVENTS that exposure by the general public.

Yet YOU absolutely misrepresented that process.

RFK is another one who has absolutely falsely represented science based medicine.

 

Where is your evidence that this case isn't being examined in depth?

ALL our medications, EVERY ONE of them, go through testing exactly like this.

This is how our science based medicine has been so stupendously successful while negative reactions have been kept so incredibly rare.

If YOU want to propose a better process, feel free.

 

First off, did you read the linked article?

 

Do you have any evidence that any case has really been examined properly? Robert Kennedy's CHD website gets into their efforts to see how those alleged investigations have been going. Here's their results:
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On March 8, The Defender contacted the CDC with questions about how the agency is investigating reports of deaths and injuries after COVID vaccines. We provided a written list of questions asking the status of investigations on deaths reported in the media, if autopsies are being done, the standard for determining whether an injury is causally connected to a vaccine and the known issues with VAERS — namely whether healthcare providers are reporting all injuries and deaths that might be connected to the COVID vaccine, and what education initiatives are in place to encourage and facilitate proper and accurate reporting. We asked for a reply within two days.

As of today, 11 days later, the CDC has not answered our questions. Instead, when we call them, they respond saying, “they have received our email, they will escalate it and it is in the system.” When we asked if we could speak with the person reviewing the email, we were told that information could not be provided. When we emailed them to follow up, we received no response.
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Source:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-ignore-inquiry-death-injuries-covid-vaccine/

 

What difference is there between those who experiment with dangerous drugs on children today and those who did the same thing in Nazi Germany who were eventually prosecuted and hung at Nuremberg?

None, I say.

That so many accept this without criticism speaks volumes as to the state of moral turpitude in the US of A.

 

You and RFK Jr. are still making accusations.

What you've got so far is that the CDC isn't responding to RFK Jr. with the speed he demands.

All these reported cases are cases of a health event after having been vaccinated.

But, that doesn't mean that any of the health problems were caused by the vaccination.

Are you aware of the difference between correlation and causation?

 

Why do you still bother to reply to folks like that.

Let Darwin answer and take care of them.

The best chance we had for decades to eliminate stupid and improve the human breeding stock

 

I get your point, but those folks ARE a continuing threat to all of us.

They form the continuing source of deadly disease among us, ready to infect those who because of young age or other factors are not able to be vaccinated.

I want my kids and grandkids safe as they grow toward an age where they can be vaccinated.

Plus, the ignorant are the hosts that allow the virus time to learn how to overcome our vaccines and other defenses.

 

Oh, they initially responded by saying they were "in the system" and then stopped responding after that. I think the real shame is that most people are so trusting that they're fine with the government just saying "We're on this, trust us" and people just believe them. I guess that's what a lifetime of indoctrination can do to people...

 

I don't believe you have anything at all to say about the CDC or America's absolutely superb science based medicine.

Complaining that the astoundingly ignorant RFK Jr. didn't get an immediate response to a question is seriously pathetic in the face of the unbelievable level success we've seen to date.

The idea that they should be charged for not making it more perfect than it is hits me as just plain CRAP.

Also, I'd point out that Trump worked to make CDC reporting SLOWER. Did that have an effect in this case?

 

I just did, and so have many others, but it seems you're too starry eyed about them to be listening. If you ever get over that though, you may want to take a look at the following article:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/cdc-scientists-expose-agency-corruption/

 

That's a lot of claims and no evidence.

Well, except for the FACT that the Trump administration inserted statements in CDC reports without even letting CDC know they were doing that.

What I note is that absolutely FABULOUS success of the CDC, the FDA and the drug company engineers who created vaccines in incredibly short order and which have now been successfully distributed in quantities of hundreds of millions of doses.

That is a STARTLING accomplishment!

 

This is just flat out preposterous.

There are NO children who are being forced by government to be part of ANY experiment.

You need to do some thinking about how we do science based medicine here in America - and around the world, by the way. The medical ethics we teach and practice are essentially identical to those of the entire first world.

And, beyond that we exert significant influence on those outside of the first world to follow the same ethics. This is one of the issues WHO and the UN follow.

 

Apparently even claims made by over a dozen senior CDC scientists charging the agency with nursing an atmosphere of pervasive research fraud isn't enough to shake your faith in the CDC. Well, here's to hoping someone else reads this, there's no persuading some people.

 

You are dealing with people who believe every single thing authority figures tell them, and deny every single thing dissenters tell them.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge but you cannot make him think.

You have done your duty to warn your fellow man. That's really all you can do.

 

Here's a link to a MSM story that shows how you really do need to read more. This shows how grossly false your posted claim is. You must live in Anthony's coat pocket.

Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials (msn.com)

 

With a survival rate over 99 freaking percent you don't appear to know much about Darwins ideas. What a lame post.

 

That doesn't counter anything I've said at all.

Yes, drugs, vaccines, procedures, etc., go through a regime of testing as laid out and directed by the FDA. There are multiple phases. Moving to testing on humans comes with careful monitoring and limited numbers of test cases for the early phases of human testing, ALL test subjects are fully informed and have consented.

That process has been stupendously successful.

The COVID vaccines that received emergency approval in the US are a shining example of that success. It's absolutely amazing how they have achieved such a high level of protection against the disease while causing such a stupendously low risk to those vaccinated.