Prove to me how Islam is not the most violent religion

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rand Paul is not speaking in "vague terms" - I only posted part of the interview - if you want more context read the entire interview transcript or go find the actual interview and watch it.

    1) If you have to ask "who is the US been fighting against" - as per Paul - you are way out of your depth and obviously did not read the transcript of the interview. The Syrian Army/Assad

    2) Arms going into the hands of those fighting along side Al Qaeda/ISIS is going directly into the hands of ISIS if that group fights under Al Qaeda and is under the command of Al Qaeda - which was the case of all the significant rebel opposition groups - either Al Qaeda or ISIS - Sans a few others which were of the same ilk.

    3) Their allies refers to "see #2"

    4) Senator Black is referring to 1) the US Government's support of Jihadists and 2) that the US public was tricked into supporting the Jihadists by supporting the actions of the Gov't. Read the damn article.
     
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    As in, via a transaction between the US government and the recipients?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sometimes, but in other cases the CIA works through third parties so it can claim "plausible deniability" :) In this case we armed the terrorists in conjunction with numerous other nations - Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Croatia, and so on.

    Here are some of the details.
    How America Armed Terrorists in Syria

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

    The article goes on and on detailing specific arms shipments from various sources.

    Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120802

    The above was from 2012 - right at the start of the war. At the time the average journalist was not aware that the idea of "moderate" rebel opposition was complete fiction.

    Anyways - there were various ways in which the CIA equipped the Islamist Jihadist rebel opposition.

    This is from the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - a bill tabled with 10 "bipartisan" signatories.
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists









     
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    Are you saying that if the arms had gone DIRECTLY to Al-Qaeda and ISIS, rather than their allies, it would have been no different?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quit asking questions that have already been answered - numerous times.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The sad fact is, it is not a religion, it is a cult. Further it is a death cult. Their answer to everything is to kill someone.
     
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    Lets see the, Christchurch mosques,the Pittsburgh synagogue the Charleston S.C church all by so called CHRISTIAN barbarians.
     
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    You are trying to equate arms going from one group to another with arms going DIRECTLY to a group. That's silly.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not silly - and arms were given directly and indirectly to Islamist Jihadist extremists.
     
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    What DIRECT case/s are you referring to?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have already given you numerous links. Since you can't seem to figure out that arming insurgents indirectly is just as bad as arming them directly - you probably can't figure out the links I gave you either.
     
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    Wait, are you saying that they are terrorist groups who at the time were known to want the destruction of the US?
     
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    Al Qaeda and ISIS - as per the numerous links given you

    Stop Arming Terrorist Act
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    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

    What part of "al-Qaeda, ISIS" did you not understand the first time ?
     
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    Sure, but there was a time where it wasn't known that they wanted the destruction of the West. Are you saying that the US knowingly funded groups who wanted to destroy them?
     
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    I am having trouble not saying mean things about your mental capacity ... Seriously. The link I just gave you was related to the war in Syria.
    The war in Syria started in 2011.

    Are you telling me that you do not realize that 911 happened long before 2011 ? - that the US did not know Al Qaeda wanted to destroy them until long after 2011 ?
     
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    The link refers to "quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL", not supporting Al-Qaeda and ISIL/ISIS directly. I'm talking about DIRECT supply of arms.
     
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    The CIA has also been funneling weapons and money through Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others who provide direct and indirect support to groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda.

    Either you have reading comprehension issues - or you have reading comprehension issues .. which is it ? What part of "direct support" are you having trouble understanding. (aside from the fact that your indirect support not counting diatribe is nonsense on steroids)
     
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    Right, so NOT direct from the US, but rather from "Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others."
     
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    @Grau, any complaints regarding the recent coverage?
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I've been preoccupied with with another thread and have not been following this one.
     
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    Sorry, wrong thread. New alert sent.
     
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    Cool story brah... how does 100 or so deaths stack up against 84,000?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/islami...0-deaths-worldwide-in-2017-a-new-report-says/
     
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    I would say that it is NOT a religion in the first place- it's a political power cult hiding behind the cloak of religion.
    No legitimate religion teaches and endorses the concept of killing everyone who isn't one of you.
     
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