Prove to me how Islam is not the most violent religion

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What did Jesus teach that exactly brought about the Holocaust?
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not only are your quotes total fakes, but they do nothing but spread violent hatred and animosity towards the Jewish people.

    fake quotes like these were used to justify the Nazi/Fascist persecution of the Jewish people.
     
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    One can find all kinds of horrendous things prescribed in the Talmud and the Old Testament for the Jewish and Christian (to be) religions, every bit as horrendous as Islam. The difference is the violence and intolerance of Judaism and Christianity have long since been buried and forgotten. While the horrendous nature if Islam is alive and well and kicking and officially supported. Jesus proclaimed the old law as dead and no more; that was 2000 years ago and before Islam existed.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    never mind the fact that many of the quotes attributed to the Talmud that attack Christians and gentiles are simply fake
     
  5. Grau

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    Prove it.
     
  6. Mr_Truth

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    Christians such as Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Reagan, Bush, etc ...

    Now compare the total number of deaths attributable to them as opposed to those committed by Muslims.
     
  7. Grau

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    If the "....horrendous nature if Islam is alive and well and kicking and officially supported.", why was I, an obvious American, able to walk and hitch hike throughout the Islamic Mid East for 10 - 11 months by myself and only be treated with warm hospitality & generous kindness by my numerous Muslim hosts?

    I cannot count the times in which I was given a ride while hitch hiking throughout Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc and subsequently "kidnapped" by the driver who insisted on introducing me to his friends and family at the same time he insisted on treating me to, meals, tea, shelter and tours of the local archeological sites.

    The Muslims I met along the way were fascinated with anything to do with America.
    While my Muslim hosts, his friends, his family and I talked about American movies, American music, American cars, my travels & life in America, the topic of religion rarely if ever came up.

    Among the many questions I was asked, the two most frequent ones were:
    1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
    2. "Why does America help the Israelis kill Palestinians and steal their land?"

    I tried to explain the overwhelming influence of America's near omnipotent Zionist lobbies and the egregious bias of of our pro Israel MSM but they still couldn't understand how people as sophisticated as Americans could be so effectively duped by Israeli lobbyists & their complicit MSM.


    "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year."CONTINUED
     
  8. Grau

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    The hate filled quotes from the Talmud are legitimate until you can prove otherwise
     
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    The term "Christians" does not exist in the Talmud.

    Al of the quotes attacking Gentiles actually so not use the term "Gentiles", but instead name specific nations around Palestine that haven't existed for thousands of years.

    In summary, the quotes are frauds.

    Mind you, there are of course many quotes in the Talmud that say all Gentiles who follow a minimal amount of God laws have reward in the afterlife. The Talmud is clear and states many many times one need not be a Jew to receive God's favor. Any claims to the contrary are false, dishonest and anti-semitic lies.

    any quote from the Talmud that says Jews are allowed to cheat or steal or murder Gentiles without punishment is a lie and a fraud.

    these lies and frauds are perpetrated by white supremacists and neo-nazis sources who seek only to fan the flames of violent hatred against the Jewish people
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again..you have to go back in time for examples...point still not proven.....sad, very sad
     
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    We don't hate Muslims, we just don't moving them moving here.

    I understand that Muslims admire and respect the things that Western civilization has created. I wish I could say that I admire and respect anything that Muslim civilization has created, but I can't. All I can see is the fragments of once great civilizations that Islam has crushed (Egypt and Iran/Persia) with ignorance and superstition.
     
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    All Orthodox Jews believe the Talmud is the will of God. All conservative and reform Jews believe that the Talmud has a place of respect within the Jewish faith.

    Are you saying that all Jews who have respect for their religion should be feared and viewed with suspicion??
     
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    false!!!

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/zarah/zarah_26.html

    it says no such thing!!!!

    Christians are not "Klipoth".

    Christians can of course be pious and be in God's favor long as they dont murder, steal, rape, or worship idols. This is what the Talmud says.

    dont comment on the Talmud when you refuse to do even the most minimal amount of research.
     
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  15. Mr_Truth

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    correction: point PROVEN since you cannot come up with examples which even approach these Christian terrorists
     
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    Probably posted before but IMO Islam is not a religion, it is a cult. It is a cult that hates women, and approves of child marriage. The worse part is the fact it is a death cult, since their answer to everything is to kill someone. Witness 9-11!!!!!
     
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    Christianity killed more. Women convert from Christianity to Islam while churches rape little boys. So that makes it worse.
     
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    Comparing body counts isn't an acceptable way to compare religions for many reasons.

    Violence has a lot more to do with political and militay power, human rights/justice, and other qualities of leaderhip - certainly not just religion.

    The terrorism of Irish Catholics didn't bubble out of Catholicism or the Bible.

    It's common for acts of war to be wrapped in religiously justifiable objectives for political purpose.

    At least one of the Crusades was launched as a way to remove a possibly revolutionary force to a distand land, thus ensuring political stability at home. Obviously, Christians allowed that, but it had more to do with the power and salesmanship of a leader dedicated to his own security.

    I just think we have to be careful with sweeping statements of accusation and culpability.
     
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    Those words are better directed at the far right on this forum which continually makes the same generalizations over and over again about Muslims and about progressives. Of course, we all know those are mere projections of themselves. But they lack the honesty to admit it.
     
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    No on has said that all Muslims are terrorists. Far from it. Islam is a dichotomous religion simultaneously preaching peace, love and tolerance, but also the wanton destruction of infidels and wayward Muslims. The difference again is that, as opposed to Christianity and Judaism, the violence wing is officially supported and encouraged -- as is the peace and harmony wing.

    I would venture to say that there are middle east Muslim areas where you would be at high risk hitch hiking around. Places like where ISIS crucifies and executes Christians just because they're Christian.

    I don't suppose you were asked why Palestinians terrorize and kill Israelis, or why Israel grants citizenship to Muslims, or why the Palestinians think they now own the land that the Jews held for thousands of years just because Jordon exiled them to it.
     
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    Islam is authentic and defensive.

    Muslims don't deny that they defend themselves by force when needed. Look at their history. This distinguishes them from other religions that deny their violence.
     
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    Christians in Germany believe Jesus was killed by Jews and that helped fuel their hatred of Jews
     
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    the Muslim's religious fanatics at this point in history are the worst, but Christian's religious fanatics have been there done that many time throughout history too - they still do even today, just on a smaller scale

    we should condemn all religions violent religious fanatics regardless of their religious beliefs
     
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    You haven't read the Koran. If you had you would know the rules of warfare are actually enlightened.
     
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    Islam was born of violence which sets it somewhat apart from other religions. It was always a warrior code much like Bushido.
     

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