Pump-action shotguns -- how long before a ban?

Yet the descendants of 120,000 Japanese-Americans would argue that amendment or not, the government simply did that.

 

To be completely honest I agree with you for the most part on this. An overt, Nazi or Soviet-style "purge" where "undesirables" are carted off right in front of their fellow citizens is pretty unlikely. But not impossible. For the most part, even if a totalitarian regime were installed (for the sake of argument, let's say Trump is the megalomaniacal totalitarian some take him to be) they would know that the American spirit of resistance would make overt and flagrant abuses of the people problematic. They would, instead, be much more subtle and insidious about the changes they would make. As such, "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance", and we should be standing up against any infringement the government might seek to enact; no matter how inane or mundane it might seem; such would remind the regime that the people retain the Spirit of Resistance like Jefferson always hoped we would.

Well, look at that: we found some common ground; no matter how tertiary. I don't think I should have to pay income tax either. Yes, I still do, but the more time goes on the less comfortable I am with that concession. I've come to believe our system is either becoming or already is thoroughly corrupted through the banking cartels that I believe now hold the true reins of power, and they are actively working towards making us wage slaves incapable of ever getting past the debts they inflict upon us. Honestly, I am almost thoroughly convinced that our democratic process is now nothing more than bread and circuses for the masses to let us think we still have a voice in our government, but I find it difficult to believe we still do.

When it comes to compliance with the law I believe we have to evaluate that compliance through our moral and ethical foundations. You say the law is how we "govern ourselves", but in reality within a free society it is our responsibility to govern ourselves as individuals, and in truth the best definition of Freedom is to say that we have "the right to take responsibility for ourselves". The Constitution was about creating a nation based on individual liberty and personal freedom; when the government infringes or undermines those then they abdicate their authority to govern IMHO. I admit I accept certain infringements that I disagree with on a daily basis, but I see a pattern of infringement that not only concerns me but angers me to my core, and I have begun wondering if the line in the sand that I have set for myself, the line that would be the triggering point of me openly ceasing to comply, might not be coming. Will it come in my lifetime? I don't know, but I have begun the preliminary steps of preparing for it just in case.

I appreciate that, and hope and pray that you are correct. For if we ever would simply bow our heads and allow our fellow Americans to be dragged away by the government simply for believing the wrong kind of things, then the American Republic our Founders fought and bled for will truly be dead, and Franklin's warning about being able to "keep it" will prove prophetic.

 

Does the government still maintain it was the correct thing to do? Or have they admitted it was wrong and never should have happened in the first place??

 

If my belief in the Second Amendment is classified as "Myopic" that would be false, I do not exclude any important aspects of Civil Rights and such would be an excuse a Gun Control apologist would craft in order to promote a compromise with other gun banners in furthering more gun restrictions.

How anyone stands on gun control is a litmus test of how they support our other Rights, Liberty and Freedom.

 

Miracles do occur, especially on Christmas eve! Merry Christmas.

 

i don't know about miracles, but Hans Gruber fell off of a building at our house tonight. That means Merry Christmas.

 

Actually, I know a close relative of his,
Ferdinand Gruber......

 

I just watched him get run through by Kevin Costner today

 

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

 

Marry Christmas to you too !!!
Merry, lol

 

Doubt it. Now, maybe they will attempt to ban "high capacity" pump shotguns, but pump shotguns in general will not be banned. There are too many Remington 870s and Mossberg 500s around for that.

 

How was the M-79 relevant at all? It's not a legal arm (except as a destructive device with major permitting required).

 

And you have just shown your utter ignorance. A shotgun, while easier to hit your opponent than with a single projectile gun, has a spread of about a foot at 10 yards (30 feet).

 

If I have to take a second shot at somebody, 3 seconds would feel like a lifetime. It would be enough time for them to kill me.

 

Not at all. With a bolt action, you generally use your left hand to hold the forestock, and then you have to use the right hand to manipulate the bolt, forcing you to take your right hand (trigger hand) off the stock of the gun. With a pump shotgun, your left hand "pumps" the forestock to manipulate it, your right hand never leaves the stock.
Bolt Action shotgun


Pump action shotgun


(also it's principle, not principal, just a pet peeve, as my wife was once a principal who enforced principles)

 

Your arrogance overshadows your ignorance. I idea is to hit some and stop them; firing a single projectile as you opine is not a guarantee that you'll hit the person at close range while a shotgun will most likely hit and stop the person.

 

They also could walk up, behind you and unknown to you, place the barrel at the base of your skull and pull the trigger, killing you instantly. But don't worry, I'm sure you're an excellent shot, so the first one should be all you need.

 

edify me-how many gun fights have you seriously studied?
how many gun fights have you been in or even witnessed?

based on your arguments against honest citizens having suitable weaponry, its pretty obvious that zero is the only possible answer for all three

 

You were trained by Hollywood U, eh?

I love when someone that has never been in a gunfight figures they can lecture the rest of us.

 

At less than ten feet, a shotgun has maybe a 5 inch spread. That's not that much easier to hit with than a pistol. Yes, a little, but it's not like there's this 5 foot spread at five feet so you can't meet. I'm not arrogant, I'm just telling you the facts, which you seem to have little to no grasp about.

 

Well, in the three seconds to reload, they could get behind me. That's why your idea of a single shot or bolt action shotgun for self defense is just plain stupid.

 

That's where knowledge and experience come in. It's called 360 degree awareness; it would be very, very difficult for anyone to come up behind me without me knowing it, and if they're dumb enough to actually get close enough to touch me, then they're going to have a VERY bad day, as they have just suffered a fatal failure of the victim selection process.

 

Now, isn't that special?

 

Unlikely that this would happen in my home where shotguns are most likely used fur self defense.
Shotguns are very, very, rarely used in public for defensive gun uses.

 

And true.