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Putin´s KGB cheap provocation in Warsaw!!

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by litwin, Jun 13, 2012.

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  1. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    Poor Jews! They are responsible for everything!
     
    Potap, Jun 29, 2012
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    Potap, Jun 29, 2012
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    "Due to epidemics raging at the time, made worse by the very bad sanitary conditions in which the prisoners were held, largely due to overcrowding, between 16,000 to 20,000 Soviet soldiers held in the Polish POW camps died, out of the total of 80,000 to 85,000 prisoners.[1]

    There are rumors in the West that politicians and historians in Russia have tried to use these deaths to explain the motives for the Katyn massacre of Polish prisoners by the Soviet NKVD in 1940. "

     new i see why you guys bring up this subject in our discussion
     
    litwin, Jun 29, 2012
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  4. SAUER

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    Here you are.
    http://yamert.livejournal.com/301040.html
    http://www.veche-info.ru/index.php?...-14-34&catid=48:2009-10-15-06-44-09&Itemid=71
    http://www.katyn.ru/index.php?go=Pages&in=view&id=687

    you have any proof about this?

    I don’t know about Potap but I personally got a new directive from Putin’s KGB on this. They think that it is a weighty argument to convince you of the truth of one's words;)
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    Btw I hope you know that on 20 February 1922 after the highly contested election Vilnius was annexed by those progressive Polish democrats? Don’t forget to say thank you to Soviets for this small gift;)

    Договор о передаче Литовской Республике города Вильно и Виленской области и о взаимопомощи между Советским Союзом и Литвой.

    ...убежденные, что интересам обеих Договаривающихся Сторон соответствуют определение точных условий обеспечения взаимной безопасности и справедливое разрешение вопроса о государственной принадлежности гор. Вильно и Виленской области, незаконно отторгнутых Польшей от Литвы признали необходимым заключить между собой нижеследующий Договор о передаче Литовской Республике города Вильно и Виленской области...
     
    SAUER, Jun 30, 2012
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  5. Potap

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    There is no consensus about the figure of Soviet POWs in Poland Even among the Polish historians. So Polish historian Zbignev Karpus names figure 110 thousands persons. From the reports of III department of Supreme command of Polish Army is known, that since February, 13, 1919 till October, 18, 1920 were taken 206.877 Red Army soldiers. Matveev names the figure 157,000 persons who was in Polish camps. So 50,000 were lost during transportation. Poles shot POWs. And modern Polish historians do not want to take these people into calculation.

    POWs were killed by the next basic ways:
    1) Massacre and executions. Basically before placing into concentration camps a) were killed extrajudicially, were left being wounded on the battlefield without medical assistance and by creating disastrous conditions of transportation. b) executed according to verdicts of various courts and tribunals; c) shot at suppression of insubordination.

    2) Creation of intolerable conditions. Basically in concentration camps with the help: a) torture and beatings, b) famine and an exhaustion, c) colds and illnesses.

    So your figures are far from true.
     
    Potap, Jul 1, 2012
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    give me reliable non- Russian sources ten we can talk, ps but anyway its far away from your "records "
     
    litwin, Jul 1, 2012
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    Are you kidding? Do you really trust someone except of Russian and Poles studied this episode? This episode is not investigated completely even by Russian and Polish historians. You demand English-speaking links. Read Wikipedia, you'll find there figure 16-18 thousands and you'll have a constant opportunity to catch Russian professors which professionally study this problems in lie. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is the ultimate truth. :lol:
     
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    not really, even even thought that Polish historiography has passed national romanticism period, still "At least 54,000 Italian POWs died in Russia, with a mortality rate of 84.5%." is something to talk about
     
    litwin, Jul 2, 2012
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    not really, even even thought that Polish historiography has passed national romanticism period, still "At least 54,000 Italian POWs died in Russia, with a mortality rate of 84.5%." is something to talk about
     
    litwin, Jul 2, 2012
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    What 54,000 Italian POWs have to do with Soviet POWs in Poland?
     
    Potap, Jul 2, 2012
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    what Soviet POWs in Poland has to do with "Putin´s KGB cheap provocation in Warsaw!!"?
     
    litwin, Jul 2, 2012
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    what Soviet POWs in Poland has to do with "Putin´s KGB cheap provocation in Warsaw!!"?but i agree with you we ´d stop bi^ching here and star to talk like the adults
     
    litwin, Jul 2, 2012
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    It’s really interesting Poland pays attention to Katyn but don’t admit to its participation in the analogous crime. Isn’t it a double standard?

    In my view it needs to be the subject of a careful, bilateral investigation.

    Excuse me for the terrible off topic;)
     
    SAUER, Jul 2, 2012
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    In that case what Katyn has to do with the topic of your thread?
     
    Potap, Jul 2, 2012
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    litwin, Jul 2, 2012
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    they did it in order to keep media attenuation out of this subject http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18405306 , "the new law on protests" and following response form the opposition
     
    litwin, Jul 3, 2012
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    Nothing special, just the freedom of speech.
     
    EvilAztec, Jul 8, 2012
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    so you are against the new law?
     
    litwin, Jul 9, 2012
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    Explanation of the term " Freedom of Speech " has a wide range of understanding . But the state is not the arena for clowns.
     
    EvilAztec, Jul 10, 2012
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    double post
     
    EvilAztec, Jul 10, 2012
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