Question about the Iraq situation

I opposed the war on Iraq.. and most Americans with any knowledge of the ME did as well. Bush got sucked in by the PNAC signatories.... who like you and Bush have NO clue about Iraq's history.

 

The Kurds are no fans of the Sunni Arabs. They are about 15% of the population of Iraq and ruled over the other 85% for decades.

 

The vast majority of Kurds are Sunni..........

 

You, like Obama is content to watch the nation implode. Or is it your dreams of an Islamic caliphate that motivate you?

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Thank you captain obvious. They are not arabs.

 

The Kurds were basically Iranian nomads.

 

Whatever. The more foes against Maliki, the better.

 

Is that because of your admiration of Al Qaeda his foe or your disdain for Maliki? Or is it your disdain for Shiites?

 

The latter. I don't know what Al Qaeda has to do with anything, and the situation in Iraq will probably not bode well for the Assad regime. More reason to support the Sunnis and Kurds.

 

Iranians aren't Arabs either

 

In terms of the bigger picture, as usual Craig Murray's analysis is spot on:

The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.

I was surprised to find during my Burnes research that the imperialist powers of Britain and Russia were explicitly exploiting Sunni and Shia divisions to further their conquests of Islamic lands as early as the 1830′s. This has been the major tool of the neo-con Middle Eastern gameplan for some time, spreading disunity and crippling war throughout the Middle East, with the hope that this will benefit the interests of Israel.

The peculiar result has been that in general the West is very actively supporting Sunni armies and miscellaneous forces, but in Iraq is supporting the Shia. ISIS – which is heavily backed by the Saudis, who hate al-Maliki – brings this paradox into sharp relief. The current US and UK strategy is to persuade Saudi Arabia to get ISIS to reconcentrate their efforts against Assad, on the understanding they will be allowed to keep the Sunni areas of Iraq (the old neo-con plan of dividing Iraq is firmly back on the agenda).

The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured. I think you will find the Saudis remedy that one quite quickly. It is quite possible we will see some token airstrikes to kill civilians in Mosul, in order to appease Obama’s domestic backers who are never happy if Americans aren’t killing enough people, but only after agreement has been reached with the Saudis that no serious harm will be done – except to the ordinary people neither Obama, the Saudis or al-Maliki care in the least about.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/deadly-fiasco/

 

ISIS is the spawn of Al Qaeda, in the tradition of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

 

I am not in favor of the US spending one more dollar in that flyblown dungheap, and don't want the US to bomb them.

My question had to do with the obvious ineffectual Iraqi army, not past politics.

 

Yeah, well, they aren't friends anymore.

 

Sounds like something he made up himself. Certainly doesn't present any evidence of this "US and UK strategy".

 

As a former UK ambassador, he is more informed than you are.

 

Usually at the most, Al Qaeda is mildly critical of their brutality against civilians.

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You would think he would simply share some of that information with us.

 

Oh well, never mind.

 

Yes but the ISIS were sent into Syria by Turkey to fight the Kurds, so they are definitely not friends.

 

Nothing like a Sunni caliphate, headed by the ISIS barbarians now is there?

 

Stop scaring yourself.. There won't be another Caliphate.

The last one was a real dud.

 

Of course they are, after all they're now the so called 'moderates' we are supplying with arms.

 

Maliki should have thought of that before alienating the Sunni and Kurdish community.

 

He is wrong, because the Russians never exploited the Arabs. He is thinking in terms of Britain, France and Germany. The Russians had friendly relations with Iran and also considered itself a protector of the Orthodox Christians in the Middle East during the 19th century. This is not exactly exploitation, since Russia had nothing to gain.

As for ISIS using sophisticated weapons, from what I've read, it seems Turkish officers are helping them out.

 

Let me ask you something, would the Sunnis have accepted anything other than complete control of Iraq? Also if I recall correctly, wasn't Turkey reprimanded by Hillary Clinton a few years back for arousing the Sunnis, and causing trouble against the Maliki government?

 

I'm not afraid, I know exactly what will happen in the end. I only pity those good looking boys giving up their lives like that.